Remember that when the schemes were announced, the club did say that to remain in the 400 club people are required to purchase tickets for at least 15 of the 19 away PL games. So it's not like they "just" went to loads of games in 21/22 and haven't had to do anything to maintain their status since. They've continued to make a comparable level of commitment.
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Home and Away Memberships 2023-24
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Recognition yes and I would say those in the 400 got the chance to go to 19 away games last season so they have had that privilege.
If you want to continue to reward the 400 let them pick the 6 games they want guaranteed tickets to attend next season and they can be guaranteed to be in the priority window for those games in the ballot. They will also still likely be able to get tickets to other games.
For me fairness is not 400 people being guaranteed tickets for life for every Forest away game.
I just think if you have an away membership you should at least get the chance to be guaranteed tickets for 4-6 games a season. A ballot does that.
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But then on the flip side many are locked out so they cannot make that commitment to the club because 400 people have locked the tickets up.
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MapperlyMark
A. Trialist
MapperlyMark
A. Trialist
Fail to see how it’s fair to put someone who had been to all or nearly all of away games should be on a par with someone who has done very few. The 400 was an odd number and it was wrong to use one season as a qualifying period but we had a well functioning loyalty points system that the club chose to abandon. There were several opportunities to purchase both away memberships and tickets in the Championship and if someone didn’t go regularly then why should it to be fair to make it a free for all at the expense of people who travelled regularly. Should we also scrap season tickets because it’s unfair on those without one and ballot all home tickets? Ballots are not used by any other PL club - except for small proportions of tickets to non members, the Forza review highlighted this, and would be a nightmare to control with the number of games changing at short notice.
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But it was okay to treat someone who went to 16 or 17 away games the same as someone who went to very few??? Your okay with that I can only assume because that’s what’s not being in the 400 club meant for many loyal fans.
Don’t think anyone has ever mentioned scrapping season tickets on this thread literally ever.
The main issue like everything in life is people are generally okay with a system as long as they get what they want from it. Pretty sure the football club we support stated their aim was to get as many Forest fans as possible in to see our great club play at the start of last season - Cooper has alluded to knowing how many fans missed out seeing the team in person last year.
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Cloughie1975
John Robertson
I know for a fact that some the ‘elite 400’ give their details to a friend if they don’t fancy/can’t make
a certain game-simply to preserve their preferential status.
I think the club should issue a clear statement that any ‘fan’ found doing this will have all memberships removed.
MapperlyMark
A. Trialist
I went to 17 and my son 16 so we are an example of people you are referring to who missed out on the 400. Why is that fair that we are on a par with people who in theory did none? The point I was making is that in line with all other PL clubs there should be a cascading loyalty points system which is fair and proportionate.
I think you have answered your own question there it’s not fair. That’s why the 400 was a bad idea.
If you were not in the 400 everyone was treated the same. So why should the 400 get special treatment that’s my point. I get some won’t agree with it but that’s just my view on it.
Logic should have been to use a cascading system but Forest did not. Sadly while the Forest team and supporters maybe magic on and off the pitch the way Forest run the commercial side of our football club is well a joke. Club shop is laughable and the ticketing system devised for last year looks like they had a works experience kid knock it up.
In reality I don’t think any of out suggestions matter because Forest are keeping the 400 I guess we will see what else they come up with. My only fear is I don’t imagine it being well thought out at all.
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Barry
Where's me hammer?
Probably going against the grain but I still think its fair that those that brought into the Chris Houghton promotion push with ST's and following Forest Away are rewarded.
I did various full seasons home and away every week without under managers I'd like to forget, watching players who I have forgot and it's hard...
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I did various full seasons home and away every week without under managers I'd like to forget, watching players who I have forgot and it's hard...
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Andy!
That rules me out. Two seasons now I've not had a season ticket. It wasn't just Hughton, there was a few changes personally around me and who I attend with. I'm sure our years as ST holders should have some sway, as they were mostly shit and tickets were relatively easy to get but I doubt it.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
I dropped going to every away games about 7 years back because we had kids and being out all Saturday wasn't fair..... still got a ST understand why I ain't got a chance of an away ticket.
I'd have deserved an away membership 7 years ago... not now
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valspoodle
Steve Chettle
One of the problems with most of the solutions suggested is the actual implementation of the idea.
I note on here that many have posted how completely hopeless NFFC are at ticketing. So it stands to reason that any ideas for fair ticket allocation have to be simple, otherwise its going to be a complete horlicks.
As one who is not going to be able to get a ticket in the next hundred years, I'm above all these problems. I pine for the days of chatting to the mates in the pub at 2 o'clock and suddenly deciding to pop along to a game, preferably to see Forest, but mostly just any game.
I note on here that many have posted how completely hopeless NFFC are at ticketing. So it stands to reason that any ideas for fair ticket allocation have to be simple, otherwise its going to be a complete horlicks.
As one who is not going to be able to get a ticket in the next hundred years, I'm above all these problems. I pine for the days of chatting to the mates in the pub at 2 o'clock and suddenly deciding to pop along to a game, preferably to see Forest, but mostly just any game.
Wes' Organ
Biggles
My pals managed every away game fair and square with a membership, it can be done if you put the effort in.
FBS
Steve Chettle
Just have one membership scheme for home and one for away. Then come ticket sale day you just have to be quickest on the F5 button.
A digital fight to the (ticket) death.
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A digital fight to the (ticket) death.
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Joe Baker's Dog
Grenville Morris
I’ve been a season ticket holder for 30 years, during which time Forest reached rock bottom. I can’t remember when I became an away member but it was a few years ago. Up to getting promoted to the Premier League it was easy to get away tickets. My eldest son and me would go to as many as we could……I live in the West Midlands so getting to some away midweek games was a challenge. We renewed our away membership for our first season back in the Premier League. We found it really difficult to get tickets…..we always logged onto the internet in time but rarely got tickets……I got talking to a mate who said a friend of his always got tickets. So we joined his friends & family group & got tickets to away games. I’ve no idea what he did differently to me. I’ll never go to every away game……but I’d like to think I’ll get to half of them. But who knows….
Should loyalty be rewarded?
The 400 achieved the target of 19 out of 23 away attendances in 2021/22. It’s likely that they would have had similar attendances in preceding seasons. The Club wished to reward loyalty to some degree - hence the 400.
In 2021/22 we had several non sellout away games - Bristol City midweek in driving rain, Middlesbrough on Boxing Day, Cardiff in January to name three. Where were those now shouting loudest? Some will have valid reasons but many chose not to go.
In 2021/22 and previous seasons we had away tickets based on loyalty points going back years - phased sales based on declining numbers of games attended. It worked well and was respected.
I’ve supported the principle of rewarding loyalty over the twenty three years of League 1 and Championship football, seeing the same (but fewer faces) at Carlisle or Preston on a Tuesday evening, at Cardiff and Swansea, at Plymouth, Cheltenham and Swindon etc etc. Facing relegation, following relegation, through thick and thin.
Now we are back in the Premier League we get higher allocations for most games, but everyone wishes to go.
Loyalty is a precious commodity and easily forgotten. I’ve said many times that in my view there should have been a second tier of priority for away tickets for those who missed the 19 game target in 2021/22. This would reward loyalty.
I have never allowed anyone to use my ticket for away games, so I would be happy for any review of procedure.
For what it’s worth I may lose my priority status as a result of the cardiac arrest outside the Amex Stadium in October and therefore missing some games. It does not alter my view on rewarding loyalty.
NFFC belongs to its supporters, especially those that travel to games irrespective of league status and form - through thick and thin, whatever the distance, day, time or weather.
Some reform of the allocation system is justified, and there needs to be better accountability of how the usual 3,000 tickets are allocated. How many are allocated to players/officials and Executive travel etc, and how many go to supporters? How many tickets are not used by the authorised ticket holder?
We are all entitled to our view but it’s easy to target the most loyal fans.
The 400 achieved the target of 19 out of 23 away attendances in 2021/22. It’s likely that they would have had similar attendances in preceding seasons. The Club wished to reward loyalty to some degree - hence the 400.
In 2021/22 we had several non sellout away games - Bristol City midweek in driving rain, Middlesbrough on Boxing Day, Cardiff in January to name three. Where were those now shouting loudest? Some will have valid reasons but many chose not to go.
In 2021/22 and previous seasons we had away tickets based on loyalty points going back years - phased sales based on declining numbers of games attended. It worked well and was respected.
I’ve supported the principle of rewarding loyalty over the twenty three years of League 1 and Championship football, seeing the same (but fewer faces) at Carlisle or Preston on a Tuesday evening, at Cardiff and Swansea, at Plymouth, Cheltenham and Swindon etc etc. Facing relegation, following relegation, through thick and thin.
Now we are back in the Premier League we get higher allocations for most games, but everyone wishes to go.
Loyalty is a precious commodity and easily forgotten. I’ve said many times that in my view there should have been a second tier of priority for away tickets for those who missed the 19 game target in 2021/22. This would reward loyalty.
I have never allowed anyone to use my ticket for away games, so I would be happy for any review of procedure.
For what it’s worth I may lose my priority status as a result of the cardiac arrest outside the Amex Stadium in October and therefore missing some games. It does not alter my view on rewarding loyalty.
NFFC belongs to its supporters, especially those that travel to games irrespective of league status and form - through thick and thin, whatever the distance, day, time or weather.
Some reform of the allocation system is justified, and there needs to be better accountability of how the usual 3,000 tickets are allocated. How many are allocated to players/officials and Executive travel etc, and how many go to supporters? How many tickets are not used by the authorised ticket holder?
We are all entitled to our view but it’s easy to target the most loyal fans.
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Andy!
I still think buying a membership to have a chance at tickets is wrong.
The club should reward loyalty, especially in away games.
I refused to buy a membership, it's my problem, no one else's, like not renewing two seasons ago. I'd just like the chance to put my hat in the ring after 11/12 years of being an ST holder, rather than people buying memberships who barely went, until it was good.
The club should reward loyalty, especially in away games.
I refused to buy a membership, it's my problem, no one else's, like not renewing two seasons ago. I'd just like the chance to put my hat in the ring after 11/12 years of being an ST holder, rather than people buying memberships who barely went, until it was good.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I don't think anyone wants to target the loyal fans, people just wait something that is a fairer distribution than: "Here you 400, have everything, everyone else fight amongst yourselves at 10AM on a Weds."
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
It's blatant profiteering.
Never bothered in the years previously because you didn't need to. I was never that bothered about going to Derby away which for the longest time has been the only fixture you needed a membership for. I'm pretty certain the club got away with introducing the profiteering membership scheme because of the "you can get Derby tickets!" promise.
Forced into buying membership last year though. Don't regret it, but do feel I shouldn't have to. Rather pay a little bit more on every game I go to.
MapperlyMark
A. Trialist
I would simply scrap the away memberships and offer it on a loyalty points system to season ticket holders which is re-set every few years. This process works seamlessly at most big PL clubs and is considered fair. If the club are that bothered are the £40 they seem so keen to get out of fans, then charge a £3 admin fee per ticket.
RedRobbo
Grenville Morris
Nope - you can be a lifelong fan, with oodles of loyalty points but if you’re a Luddite then forget it!
RedRobbo
Grenville Morris
You’re spot on LR - loyalty should be rewarded.
But when I miss out on the 400 ( by a spit ) & then see acquaintances with no history of away travel regularly getting tickets I get thoroughly pissed off!
The system is not fit for purpose - but I won’t hold my breath.
RedRobbo
Grenville Morris
My suspicions confirmed - just don’t understand how some faces ( with zero loyalty ) regularly get tickets.
Pisses me off.
You just have to know how to get the tickets, took me and my cousin about 3 away gams to master it.
Only then missed out on 1 game we wanted to go to, and yes we have both been away members for about 10 years.