Sydney Van Hooijdonk

Harvey said:

Do you suppose what happened with PVH at Forest was unique and has never occurred at any other club?

I don't. You act like an adult and sort it out behind closed doors, which is what I imagine usually happens whenever something like this comes up.

What you don't do is throw your toys out of the pram like a petulant child and refuse to play.

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I did say he went about it the wrong way.


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Timothy Pope said:

I did say he went about it the wrong way.

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You said he was right, which was what I was disagreeing with

Eddie Yates said:

If every player that disagreed with a club selling a team mate went on strike we'd never get a game on

PVH is a massive wanker, the most massive wanker ever to wear the Forest shirt

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Quite.

There literally are no words. Quite frankly selling Campbell was utterly ludicrous, we were linked with some quality that season but none of it ever came, I think we had Ebbe Sand, Wim Jonk, van Bronkhorst, a whole load of others apparently being looked at, we got Neil Shipperley, Nigel Quashie and Dougie Freedman.

And you can see why the club turned down his transfer request as he was our best player and they wanted him to stay, but I think he had wanted to leave after relegation, but was persuaded to stay to get them back up ans strengthen later, which didn't happen, you can see where he was coming from with broken promises.

Ironically going on strike was the worst thing for him to do as well - no-one is going to get a player who downed tools on his two last clubs, it just doesn't look good, and he won't get anywhere near his market value.

Class player, but a grade 1 Nob head.

PVH should have been bright enough to chat to the rest of the senior pros who were probably just as pissed off...and who knows, they could have taken an effective, collective course of action...but no, Mr big bollocks just acted like an arrogant fool and thought he was better than everyone else.

Didn't even have the dignity to turn up to let Chris Doig go through him in training

Dead ting.



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Eddie Yates said:

the most massive wanker ever to wear the Forest shirt

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Good idea for a thread.

Statto said:

Quite.

There literally are no words. Quite frankly selling Campbell was utterly ludicrous, we were linked with some quality that season but none of it ever came, I think we had Ebbe Sand, Wim Jonk, van Bronkhorst, a whole load of others apparently being looked at, we got Neil Shipperley, Nigel Quashie and Dougie Freedman.

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Some Bassett interview popped up on an article I was reading the other day. Bassett said PvH wanted Bassett to sign Wim Jonk. Bassett didn't want him. Bassett said he was vindicated in that because Jonk was no good for Sheff Wed. Sounded like that was part of van Hooijdonk's sulk.


Wasn't just Campbell we sold. Cooper, the captain of the side that won the second div and at least as important to the team as Campbell, left thanks to a clause in his contact allowing him to return to Boro. Think we played Armstrong or Edwards in his place.

Can't think of another team ever that won promotion to the top flight and weakened the squad as much as we did. In no way absolves van Hooijdonk, who just made it much worse.

Remember van Hooijdonk first game after his strike against Derby. He scored from a corner and the whole team went over to celebrate with Scot Gemmill who took the corner and left him mostly on his own. The only player who went to celebrate with him was Dougie.

However, who doesn't make mistakes as a young twenty-one thing with or without millions in the bank. It's more the comments in recent years where he said a cat could have done as good a job as Dave Bassett that makes him sound like he hasn't changed much.

PVH was one of the original members of the football sulkers. There's only him that matters and f*** everybody else.

They set a trend in player power and it's rife now to the detriment of the game.

PVH has only just layed to rest a 20 odd year rivalry with Van Persie, and as mentioned is meant to be unhappy with NAC Breda's coach. So he doesn't seem to have changed much.

What will be interesting is how much it will rub off on his son's career, and whether his son will get to a point where he says "dad, f*** off".

Francis Benali (on loan) said:

Some Bassett interview popped up on an article I was reading the other day. Bassett said PvH wanted Bassett to sign Wim Jonk. Bassett didn't want him. Bassett said he was vindicated in that because Jonk was no good for Sheff Wed. Sounded like that was part of van Hooijdonk's sulk.


Wasn't just Campbell we sold. Cooper, the captain of the side that won the second div and at least as important to the team as Campbell, left thanks to a clause in his contact allowing him to return to Boro. Think we played Armstrong or Edwards in his place.

Can't think of another team ever that won promotion to the top flight and weakened the squad as much as we did. In no way absolves van Hooijdonk, who just made it much worse.

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Yes, but we sold Cooper well after the whole Campbell/PvH issue which wasn't too far into preseason, I think it was just before the opening game against Arsenal, where we appear to have started with 5 defenders, so presumably one of these was in midfield (Chettle, Hjelde, Armstrong, Rogers and Bonalair), instead of the strikers we had the season before (and we didn't really have much else in the way of either strikers or goals that year) we had Darcheville presumably on his own up front (can't think Johnson, Hodges, Stone or Thomas would have gone up front) with Harewood and Freedman coming off the bench.

Losing the captain and 2 goalscorers from that promoted side and not replacing them realistically meant we didn't have any chance and sulking just meant we'd lost 2 strikers not 1. And yes as your other point said when he did come back and scored no-one celebrated with him.

Maybe not his reason for striking. Either way that summer we repeated the trick of 1992 - selling our best centre half and a 20 goal striker, replacing neither then finishing bottom.

Francis Benali (on loan) said:

Maybe not his reason for striking. Either way that summer we repeated the trick of 1992 - selling our best centre half and a 20 goal striker, replacing neither then finishing bottom.

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One of the reason's why I think the job Warburton did was very underappreciated.

Losing Britt was a big hit to the squad, yet he still managed to take us from relegation fodder to mid-table.

Few managers I can think of move a side forward after losing their top goalscorer, and only having the funds to replace them with make-do replacements.

PVH was a total bell-end which to be fair is why his list of clubs was Celtic, Forest and Vitesse whatever and not Man U or Inter Milan…
I’m the same way that plenty of dressing room beefs are sorted behind closed doors, the football world will talk when there’s a chopper of his magnitude on the scene…

He played for Celtic, Feyenoord, Forest and Benfica - six European Cups between them tbf.

Six more than Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, PSG and Atletico Madrid combined.

Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:

One of the reason's why I think the job Warburton did was very underappreciated.

Losing Britt was a big hit to the squad, yet he still managed to take us from relegation fodder to mid-table.

Few managers I can think of move a side forward after losing their top goalscorer, and only having the funds to replace them with make-do replacements.

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warburton at least had money to spend , paul hart went to a playoff and had his playoff team like key players scimeca and brennan etc just walked away for free , huckerby not signed, sold harewood in his prime for a miserly 500k after having the best form of his life at the beginning of the season and david johnson broke his leg ,who did we signed in the summer ? freebies like oyen, gunnarsson and paul evans. only when we were near the relegation zone only then did our former owner panic bought the likes of marlon king and gareth taylor but by then, damage had been done and it was too late.

marshal99 said:

warburton at least had money to spend , paul hart went to a playoff and had his playoff team like key players scimeca and brennan etc just walked away for free , huckerby not signed, sold harewood in his prime for a miserly 500k after having the best form of his life at the beginning of the season and david johnson broke his leg ,who did we signed in the summer ? freebies like oyen, gunnarsson and paul evans. only when we were near the relegation zone only then did our former owner panic bought the likes of marlon king and gareth taylor but by then, damage had been done and it was too late.

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Aye. It's frankly astounding that people like Marthur & EM/Vrentroz looked at those sides losing their best goalscorers, and thought that without replacing them to at least the same quality we should be expecting a promotion challenge

We really have been run by some idiots over the years.

Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:

One of the reason's why I think the job Warburton did was very underappreciated.

Losing Britt was a big hit to the squad, yet he still managed to take us from relegation fodder to mid-table.

Few managers I can think of move a side forward after losing their top goalscorer, and only having the funds to replace them with make-do replacements.

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Especially given Warburton's prioritisation of attack over defence.

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Francis Benali (on loan) said:

He played for Celtic, Feyenoord, Forest and Benfica - six European Cups between them tbf.

Six more than Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, PSG and Atletico Madrid combined.

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He also played for NAC Breda, in two spells, who have won as many European Cups as Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur, Paris St. Germain and Atlético Madrid put together.

Was made of the right stuff.

marshal99 said:

warburton at least had money to spend , paul hart went to a playoff and had his playoff team like key players scimeca and brennan etc just walked away for free , huckerby not signed, sold harewood in his prime for a miserly 500k after having the best form of his life at the beginning of the season and david johnson broke his leg ,who did we signed in the summer ? freebies like oyen, gunnarsson and paul evans. only when we were near the relegation zone only then did our former owner panic bought the likes of marlon king and gareth taylor but by then, damage had been done and it was too late.

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Hart did a difficult job keeping us afloat when we had the financial issues and to mount a playoff challenge with only being able to bring in 1 signing (Jess) was pretty good considering who we let go.

But I think there's probably a bit of selective memory here. Scimeca, Brennan etc were all expensive Platt signings and would be unlikely to be renewed on their existing wages so they would have to go.

Hart signed Taylor in the early days of the 03-4 season before Johnson broke his leg, he came on as sub, and we signed King to replace Harewood, which turned out to be the wrong decision, but again Harewood wanted to leave, was almost out of contract, and King was highly rated.

Evans was signed by Kinnear, and was probably the best move.

But to say that Hart didn't have money to spend is only partially true and in the sense his young players did generate a lot of money for the club too was very much in the black in terms of spending and money recouped.

Before the playoff season he could only bring in loans and frees, think we got Summerbee in on loan, then Walker and Jess, Huckerby (but even then City were in the PL so we wouldn't really have been able to afford making him permanent). Gunnarsson we thought was good off the preseason, Danny Sonner was really only going to be cover, Oyen was good but always injured, Stewart on loan, King was almost 1m and Taylor 500k, we could still bring in Williams, Prutton, Reid, Dawson, Morgan from the youth setup, he had plenty to work with but only knew how to setup one eay.

Ultimately losing Brennan, Scimeca, Huckerby and Lester who made the diamond work so well that season and his inability to adapt cost us, Kinnear came in, brought in a new LB and RW which we didn't have all season, then a new keeper and DM in Evans, changed to a flat 4-4-2 and started winning, and we all know how well he is rated on here...

Hart was hired during a fire sale most likely because he was cheap, and nobody knew the young players we had no choice but to rely on better than him.

In 2002-03 we scored more goals at home than any other team in the country. Fantastic entertainment. Easily my favourite season since 94-95 and more enjoyable than anything since. There was an ex Forest with a respect for the clubs past playing entertaining football with academy graduates. It felt good. Nobody had any right to expect he would do half as well as he did.

He may have inherited Johnson, Scimeca, Brennan, Louis-Jean. But the first two were considered expensive flops until they became two of the best players in the division under Hart's management. And bringing Walker back to partner Dawson was a masterstroke that others wouldn't have done.

Johnson was then given, I believe (this is how it remember it being reported) a 6k contract breaking the 4k ceiling put in place because the near financial oblivion that Forest found themselves in before they appointed Hart. Harewood, or his agent, thought his season justified an improved contract too (and it probably did). Forest didn't budge and that is the reason, it was reported at the time, that Harewood was then open to offers from elsewhere. He didn't want to leave Forest as such, just financial circumstances out of Hart's control. Nobody could argue that Harewood didn't make the right career move.

Hart's team tore Norwich apart, and Worthington then picked up Huckerby and Brennan because we couldn't compete with the wages Norwich offered. Hart put together a team that were capable of promotion within a couple of years from nowhere really and Norwich were the team that got promoted off the back of it. For good measure Worthington later came back for Ward and Louis-Jean too. I think Hart's team left an impression.

Johnson started the next season well enough. We might even have gone top when we beat Sheffield United early on. Then he broke his leg. Lester was released to reduce the wage bill too as he was signed under Platt. So Johnson, Harewood, Huckerby, Lester all gone and all out of Hart's control. Unsurprisingly we ended up on a run of games without scoring and Hart was sacked. At the time I think Chopra was in on loan. He obviously came good in the Championship, wasn't the worst person to bring in.

We ended up with Kinnear who came in with Forest in 22nd in Feb 04 and left with Forest in 22nd in Dec 04. Playing with Daryl Powell and Paul Evans. Attacking figures who were part of, or anyone who mentioned, Forest's history. It felt bad.

Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:

What will be interesting is how much it will rub off on his son's career, and whether his son will get to a point where he says "dad, f*** off".

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Seeing that Statto just brought him up and this is a father and son show.

Alfe-Inge Haaland = Erling Braut Haaland
Pierre van Hooijdonk = Sydney van Hooijdonk
Lars Bohinen = Emil Bohinen
Kevin Campbell = Tyrese Campbell
Jon-Olav Hjelde = Leo Fuhr Hjelde
David Johnson = Brennan Johnson
Des Walker = Tyler Walker

Meet the latest highly rated son of a former Forest legend.

Meet Luca Oyen. Son of Davy. Debut for Genk at 17 this season and highly rated as a potential star.

Born in Nottingham too.

BryanRoy said:

Seeing that Statto just brought him up and this is a father and son show.

Alfe-Inge Haaland = Erling Braut Haaland
Pierre van Hooijdonk = Sydney van Hooijdonk
Lars Bohinen = Emil Bohinen
Kevin Campbell = Tyrese Campbell
Jon-Olav Hjelde = Leo Fuhr Hjelde
David Johnson = Brennan Johnson
Des Walker = Tyler Walker

Meet the latest highly rated son of a former Forest legend.

Meet Luca Oyen. Son of Davy. Debut for Genk at 17 this season and highly rated as a potential star.

Born in Nottingham too.

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Can he play... (Well, his dad did)

Edit: Sam Beasant was also a keeper like his dad, but didn't really get into the league...

I have literally no recollection of Davy Oyen