Steve Cooper will always be the MAN!

[Raymondo Ponte']

Let's be right, this squad aint good enough by a long chalk no matter who's in charge.

Ya can debate all ya want who brought in who and whoever did this and did that.

That Everton team wa completely inept, a fukin awful team devoid of any quality... and we were twice as bad.

BUT we'll stay up.

 

[Captain Sinister]

We were on track for a 42 point finish until the "Cooper's job is at risk" type wanky media shit started surfacing.

Glad to see the ideas we had, that he didn't, have worked out really well for us.

I have calculated the projected full 38 game out turn based on the cumulative points week by week.
Ignoring August, because we only played 3 Premier League games that month, we entered September with a projected outturn of 57 points.
However as the number of games began to ramp up the extrapolated points total of 57 fell week by week (53,44,43,42,42,38,45,41,38,35,33,32)
After the 15th December game the extrapolation for the 38 games stood at 31, with that declining sequence showing no sign of upturning.
Steve Cooper was sacked 19th December.
Nuno was confirmed in position on 20th December.
Since his appointment we saw the new manager bounce, with the extrapolation moving up to 34, and has remained mid 30's (excluding the 4 point deduction).
So, there has been a sustained upturn in the extrapolated 38 game outturn since Nuno was appointed, that followed a sustained decline resulting in Steve's dismissal.
I understand your point that it was from when speculation started, but I think the trends do incate it was right 5to change manager when we did.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

I have calculated the projected full 38 game out turn based on the cumulative points week by week.
Ignoring August, because we only played 3 Premier League games that month, we entered September with a projected outturn of 57 points.
However as the number of games began to ramp up the extrapolated points total of 57 fell week by week (53,44,43,42,42,38,45,41,38,35,33,32)
After the 15th December game the extrapolation for the 38 games stood at 31, with that declining sequence showing no sign of upturning.
Steve Cooper was sacked 19th December.
Nuno was confirmed in position on 20th December.
Since his appointment we saw the new manager bounce, with the extrapolation moving up to 34, and has remained mid 30's (excluding the 4 point deduction).
So, there has been a sustained upturn in the extrapolated 38 game outturn since Nuno was appointed, that followed a sustained decline resulting in Steve's dismissal.
I understand your point that it was from when speculation started, but I think the trends do incate it was right 5to change manager when we did.

I'll summerise all that for you cap'n.

The away game at Chelsea (4th) was as good as it got.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I'll summerise all that for you cap'n.

The away game at Chelsea (4th) was as good as it got.

Spot on!
However, the near-continuous decline up to and including 15th December game has been reversed, but never have the 57 points projection post-Chelsea been anywhere near.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I understand your point that it was from when speculation started, but I think the trends do incate it was right 5to change manager when we did.

We needed to change manager when we did because Cooper had lost all authority and had lost half the dressing room who were acutely aware his time was up.

My issue is that wasn't his fault, it was caused by shitty leaked memos to press about his job being at threat. Until those stories started surfacing, we were averaging just over 1PPG. Not wildly exciting but serviceable, a comfortable season and chance to plan further building in summer. Ever since club brass started leaking the stories to get the fans prepared for a change of manager our PPG trajectory has been significantly worse, to the point we'll probably now get relegated.

 

[Captain Sinister]

We needed to change manager when we did because Cooper had lost all authority and had lost half the dressing room who were acutely aware his time was up.

My issue is that wasn't his fault, it was caused by shitty leaked memos to press about his job being at threat. Until those stories started surfacing, we were averaging just over 1PPG. Not wildly exciting but serviceable, another season in the PL. Ever since club brass started leaking the stories to get the fans prepared for a change of manager our PPG trajectory has been significantly worse, to the point we'll probably now get relegated.

We are singing from the same hymn sheet here Maxi.
The sacking, it could be argued was engineered.
However, if Steve had encouraged a more fluent attacking style, utilising the newly acquired pace of Elanga, and the trickery of Hudson-Odoi, and worked out a way of incorporating MGW as a deeper playing No. 10, and got us to play to wood's strength, he wouldn't have "lost" the dressing room.
And he might have got better results, and the speculation would have been quashed.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

We are singing from the same hymn sheet here Maxi.
The sacking, it could be argued was engineered.
However, if Steve had encouraged a more fluent attacking style, utilising the newly acquired pace of Elanga, and the trickery of Hudson-Odoi, and worked out a way of incorporating MGW as a deeper playing No. 10, and got us to play to wood's strength, he wouldn't have "lost" the dressing room.
And he might have got better results, and the speculation would have been quashed.

Elanga and CHO were barely available together. CHO was out for 8 games.

We could have perhaps played Williams wide right to allow MGW to retain a central position but there was clamour for Sangare to get more minutes... as part of a deep lying play maker role.

That formation wasn't good for Wood who needs bodies round him, but was OK for Taiwo... until he got crocked.

Anyway - this all "style" type argument. Ultimately it's points that matter, and despite a mini-injury crisis we were ticking along OK, until ambition got in the way.

 

[shearstone]

I'll summerise all that for you cap'n.

The away game at Chelsea (4th) was as good as it got.

So before the deadline day signings began starting for us? Maybe Joe Worrall has a point about forest being to quick to cast off the players from previous seasons.