Season Cards 2024/2025

[Strummer]

Why don’t they just make the whole thing a ballot, bar those designated „away“ season ticket holders (or whatever it’s called now)?

Surely that would be a fairer solution?

 

[YellowBelly Red]

The vast majority of season ticket holders probably have no interest in going to away games, so no benefit to those.

Children won't be able to go without an adult, so they will need an adult to be successful at the same time. Unlikely.

 

[FBS]

Why don’t they just make the whole thing a ballot, bar those designated „away“ season ticket holders (or whatever it’s called now)?

Surely that would be a fairer solution?

Because that would probably mean the club taking it in-house. Which they probably aren't geared up for.
Whereas leaving the sales running through a third party (ticketmaster) means they have no direct involvement and when someone doesn't get any tickets all season the club can just point to the ticket provider.

There is never going to be a way that suits all. It wouldn't surprise me if they just keep it as it is - away ticket Royal Rumble every Wednesday.

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[Annesleyred]

A supporter since 64 , season ticket holder since 74. Done lots of away matches in the past, didn't buy an 'away match' season ticket as I knew I wouldn't make every away match but it looks like I will never get an away match in again.
Its just squeezing more money out of us.
I reckon they should be abolished and it should be names in a hat for those who apply. I've been around most of the grounds but I would like the younger supporters to have the experience.

 

[IvorThirst]

Wait for the announcement of another waiting list for Season Card holders that wish to go to away games— £10 to join

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Part of my job at my company is to find ways to "beef up" our bids & contract offers without actually committing more in real terms: perhaps we're already over-delivering somewhere for example so there's no loss to strengthen that element, or we know the customer will never buy X so we wrap big discounts around that to frame "efficiency gains here, more to come!"

Someone at Forest has been given that same responsibility on the season ticket damage limitation. There's a tonne of free shit chucked at us that will hardly get used so it doesn't actually cost the club anything but it looks like they're listening...... if people can't see through the strategy anyway.

They're taking the piss. I'd respect them more if they simply came out and said "Supply and demand, we think we can sell at these prices." Be honest Forest. No horseshit needed, no giveaways required.

 

[Strummer]

Nottingham Forest:

„We‘re serious about taking the piss, are you?“

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

Part of my job at my company is to find ways to "beef up" our bids & contract offers without actually committing more in real terms: perhaps we're already over-delivering somewhere for example so there's no loss to strengthen that element, or we know the customer will never buy X so we wrap big discounts around that to frame "efficiency gains here, more to come!"

Someone at Forest has been given that same responsibility on the season ticket damage limitation. There's a tonne of free shit chucked at us that will hardly get used so it doesn't actually cost the club anything but it looks like they're listening...... if people can't see through the strategy anyway.

They're taking the piss. I'd respect them more if they simply came out and said "Supply and demand, we think we can sell at these prices." Be honest Forest. No horseshit needed, no giveaways required.

To be fair - that is what they did in the first place.
These are the prices - if you don't want to renew - we have a waiting list of 11,000 people

They get criticized for that and not listening
They listen and make some concessions and then they get criticized for that as well

What are they supposed to do?

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

To be fair - that is what they did in the first place.
These are the prices - if you don't want to renew - we have a waiting list of 11,000 people

They get criticized for that and not listening
They listen and make some concessions and then they get criticized for that as well

What are they supposed to do?

No, that was a thinly veiled and passive aggressive threat.

They didn't need to mention the quantity of the waiting list. They just needed to set the prices, they didn't need to justify it. We all know why they're raising prices and it's nothing to do with investing it in the playing squad or 11k waiting lists is it? We're just a captive audience and people will prioritise football spending over other things, especially whilst we're in the PL, and the club have chosen to take advantage of it.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

No, that was a thinly veiled and passive aggressive threat.

They didn't need to mention the quantity of the waiting list. They just needed to set the prices, they didn't need to justify it. We all know why they're raising prices and it's nothing to do with PL football or 11k waiting lists is it? We're just a captive audience and people will prioritise football spending over other things, especially whilst we're in the PL.

Isn't saying there is a waiting list the same as supply and demand?

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Isn't saying there is a waiting list the same as supply and demand?

No.

The waiting list is a "pay up or f*** off" type comment.

Supply and demand is "We think you'll still want to come even if we increase the price to this."

There's a subtle difference. One is passive aggressive and threatening, the other is not.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

No.

The waiting list is a "pay up or f*** off" type comment.

Supply and demand is "We think you'll still want to come even if we increase the price to this."

There's a subtle difference. One is passive aggressive and threatening, the other is not.

The result is the same - I am not aware of anyone who hasn't/will not renew.

The difference is in the eye of the beholder.
Some people want to criticize this regime no matter what or how they do things.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Sounds ridiculous but some have jumped ship and others are threatening to, including going to Stags games, not just Notts.

It’s becoming more hassle than it’s worth supporting Forest and it will be unaffordable to a general family of four with these increases.

Yep, those lads I mentioned the other week have committed to taking the plunge at Stags now.

It's not even about them going up as such, it's more about the general feel-good factor which is oozing out of the club there and the surrounding community.

 

[Haych]

The ‘guaranteed buy back’ is only for select games as well, so probably games like Liverpool if we’re in the PL or Derby if we go down meaning very few people will take advantage.

It won’t be for the shit games people might want to miss.

Trying to get people back on side with a few free tickets to watch the Woman’s team isn’t going to work.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The result is the same

Short term I agree.

Long term such behaviour impacts on loyalty. If we get relegated, and suffer a mini-financial crisis such that we end up back in League One (stranger things have happened), then the club will be back out with the begging bowls desperately trying to get people to buy season tickets.

In that scenario, are us fans more likely to do so having been gaslighted into buying tickets with heavy price increases, or are we more likely to do so if the club maintains a fairly neutral business stance?

Words matter. Culture matters. Loyalty is easy to demand when we're flying reasonably high but might not be so forthcoming if Forest f*** it.

 

[football post]

Short term I agree.

Long term such behaviour impacts on loyalty. If we get relegated, and suffer a mini-financial crisis such that we end up back in League One (stranger things have happened), then the club will be back out with the begging bowls desperately trying to get people to buy season tickets.

In that scenario, are us fans more likely to do so having been gaslighted into buying tickets with heavy price increases, or are we more likely to do so if the club maintains a fairly neutral business stance?

Words matter. Culture matters. Loyalty is easy to demand when we're flying reasonably high but might not be so forthcoming if Forest f*** it.

We're 20 years on but we still take the piss out of the club about that ridiculous "serious about promotion" statement. I can remember getting letters though the post telling me now was the time the club needed me the most. They were in such a bloody mess they were desperate for people to buy tickets.
If we go down this could definitely happen again, especially if we didn't go straight back up.

 

[Captain Sinister]

The ‘guaranteed buy back’ is only for select games as well, so probably games like Liverpool if we’re in the PL or Derby if we go down meaning very few people will take advantage.

It won’t be for the shit games people might want to miss.

Trying to get people back on side with a few free tickets to watch the Woman’s team isn’t going to work.

Remember, there are >11,000 people on the ST waiting list, at £10 to get on Zee Liszt!

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

Short term I agree.

Long term such behaviour impacts on loyalty. If we get relegated, and suffer a mini-financial crisis such that we end up back in League One (stranger things have happened), then the club will be back out with the begging bowls desperately trying to get people to buy season tickets.

In that scenario, are us fans more likely to do so having been gaslighted into buying tickets with heavy price increases, or are we more likely to do so if the club maintains a fairly neutral business stance?

Words matter. Culture matters. Loyalty is easy to demand when we're flying reasonably high but might not be so forthcoming if Forest f*** it.

I understand and agree.
I have critisised the price hike myself.

I think you are a businessman - like myself.

When we develop a enhanced product (EPL football) , we do our market research to understand if there is a demand for the product (the waiting list), we do our market analysis to understand our competitor prices (other teams Season card prices) - we then set our price and sell them to our customers.

Football is now a business like any other business - whether we like it or not.
They have done their due diligence and from what I can gather we will sell out of season tickets.
Could they have handled it better - Yes of course they could

 

[Bryn Gunn]

I understand and agree.
I have critisised the price hike myself.

I think you are a businessman - like myself.

When we develop a enhanced product (EPL football) , we do our market research to understand if there is a demand for the product (the waiting list), we do our market analysis to understand our competitor prices (other teams Season card prices) - we then set our price and sell them to our customers.

Football is now a business like any other business - whether we like it or not.
They have done their due diligence and from what I can gather we will sell out of season tickets.
Could they have handled it better - Yes of course they could

You’re not wrong there but that is everything that is wrong about the modern game.

If fans are just ‘customers’ then three quarters of football stadiums should be empty, because the product on offer is more often than not substandard.
We may as well all go and support Man City, it’s a better product, with better facilities and better value for your money.

We don’t though because we are ‘fans’ not customers. A football club is a community asset and ultimately belongs to that community. Owners come and go.
I get profit has to be made and success comes at a cost but there has to be a middle ground where everyone is happy.
Unless the club is going for broke (like others have) and gradually replacing it’s a traditional fan base with a plastic one. God help them if they ever land back in League One if they are.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I understand and agree.
I have critisised the price hike myself.

I think you are a businessman - like myself.

When we develop a enhanced product (EPL football) , we do our market research to understand if there is a demand for the product (the waiting list), we do our market analysis to understand our competitor prices (other teams Season card prices) - we then set our price and sell them to our customers.

Football is now a business like any other business - whether we like it or not.
They have done their due diligence and from what I can gather we will sell out of season tickets.
Could they have handled it better - Yes of course they could

Premier League football is definitely not a business like any other.
Forest turnover excluding EPL money from the media would be circa £30m.
The players' wages are circa £170 million.
Other businesses could not keep going with those metrics.
Have a read of Can We Have Our Football Back.
A brilliant expose of the myth that football is a business like other businesses.
Take away TV money... the whole edifice crumbles.

 

[Strummer]

You’re not wrong there but that is everything that is wrong about the modern game.

If fans are just ‘customers’ then three quarters of football stadiums should be empty, because the product on offer is more often than not substandard.
We may as well all go and support Man City, it’s a better product, with better facilities and better value for your money.

We don’t though because we are ‘fans’ not customers. A football club is a community asset and ultimately belongs to that community. Owners come and go.
I get profit has to be made and success comes at a cost but there has to be a middle ground where everyone is happy.
Unless the club is going for broke (like others have) and gradually replacing it’s a traditional fan base with a plastic one. God help them if they ever land back in League One if they are.

Bang on, that.

 

[adamthered]

The result is the same - I am not aware of anyone who hasn't/will not renew.

The difference is in the eye of the beholder.
Some people want to criticize this regime no matter what or how they do things.

I'm not renewing, nor is my dad. The increase has priced us both out, and when there are more pressing things that also need more money than previously it makes for an easy decision.

If they can afford it i say great, renew, but if people are having to borrow from Peter to pay Paul it starts to make little sense in sacrificing other things that aren't avoidable i.e energy cost increasing, petrol, food etc etc

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

You’re not wrong there but that is everything that is wrong about the modern game.

If fans are just ‘customers’ then three quarters of football stadiums should be empty, because the product on offer is more often than not substandard.
We may as well all go and support Man City, it’s a better product, with better facilities and better value for your money.

We don’t though because we are ‘fans’ not customers. A football club is a community asset and ultimately belongs to that community. Owners come and go.
I get profit has to be made and success comes at a cost but there has to be a middle ground where everyone is happy.
Unless the club is going for broke (like others have) and gradually replacing it’s a traditional fan base with a plastic one. God help them if they ever land back in League One if they are.

Again - I don't disagree especially the comment about the 'middle ground'.
The club would argue, that by being cheaper than all of the other clubs with the exception of the bottom 3 - they have achieved that.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

I'm not renewing, nor is my dad. The increase has priced us both out, and when there are more pressing things that also need more money than previously it makes for an easy decision.

If they can afford it i say great, renew, but if people are having to borrow from Peter to pay Paul it starts to make little sense in sacrificing other things that aren't avoidable i.e energy cost increasing, petrol, food etc etc

Sorry to hear that you can't renew. As you say you have other priorities