It's NOT Martin !

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Interview with MON yesterday in the NEP.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Neill-Brian-Clough-Roy-Keane-getting-axe.html

The site is shite to read, so here are the Forest related highlights.........

*Clough was the most charismatic manager in England, maybe Europe. He was unpredictable, volatile, mercurial — every adjective you want to use. He'd say something to us on Monday, contradict himself on Friday, but I'd believe both of them. As a manager, it would be difficult not to have taken a lot from him.
I picture this scene where Cloughie would come down the corridor at the City Ground. There was a little washroom which was badly lit and the door was always open. Larry Lloyd, who was a big lad, would dip into that room to disappear so Cloughie could have a free run down the corridor. But when you got that praise from him, you felt a million dollars. I never asked anybody for advice after becoming a manager. If I was going to ask anybody, I'd have asked him. But I'd have known Brian's answer: 'Get on with it yourself, young man.

*I've never had an agent. I wrote hand-crafted letters which I thought were funny and good, but they were obviously thrown in the bin! Chesterfield, Mansfield, Stockport… I wasn't even getting a reply

*At Sunderland and Forest, I was absolutely not in charge because other people wanted to run the clubs.

*I hadn't even left my dressing room by the time the new manager was announced.

*I thought I could turn Forest around. If I thought I was only going to get 19 games, then I wouldn't have done it.

*In my one week of pre-season, I signed Sammy Ameobi on a free transfer. Arguably he and Ben Watson have been their two best players this season.

*I've got a real zest and great enthusiasm for the game. I have no doubt I will be back in some capacity.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

Highly intelligent manager we'd ov got more points than Leeds if only the spivz had one cell in their craniums.

Silly gambling egotistical bastads.

 

[mellison99]

Interview with MON yesterday in the NEP.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Neill-Brian-Clough-Roy-Keane-getting-axe.html

The site is shite to read, so here are the Forest related highlights.........

*Clough was the most charismatic manager in England, maybe Europe. He was unpredictable, volatile, mercurial — every adjective you want to use. He'd say something to us on Monday, contradict himself on Friday, but I'd believe both of them. As a manager, it would be difficult not to have taken a lot from him.
I picture this scene where Cloughie would come down the corridor at the City Ground. There was a little washroom which was badly lit and the door was always open. Larry Lloyd, who was a big lad, would dip into that room to disappear so Cloughie could have a free run down the corridor. But when you got that praise from him, you felt a million dollars. I never asked anybody for advice after becoming a manager. If I was going to ask anybody, I'd have asked him. But I'd have known Brian's answer: 'Get on with it yourself, young man.

*I've never had an agent. I wrote hand-crafted letters which I thought were funny and good, but they were obviously thrown in the bin! Chesterfield, Mansfield, Stockport… I wasn't even getting a reply

*At Sunderland and Forest, I was absolutely not in charge because other people wanted to run the clubs.

*I hadn't even left my dressing room by the time the new manager was announced.

*I thought I could turn Forest around. If I thought I was only going to get 19 games, then I wouldn't have done it.

*In my one week of pre-season, I signed Sammy Ameobi on a free transfer. Arguably he and Ben Watson have been their two best players this season.

*I've got a real zest and great enthusiasm for the game. I have no doubt I will be back in some capacity.

Trying to take credit for a player he wanted to move on in Watson? I have no ill will towards him but that rubs me wrong.

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[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Trying to take credit for a player he wanted to move on in Watson? I have no ill will towards him but that rubs me wrong.

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Where's he trying to take credit for Watson? :dunno:

He says he signed Sammy and, alongside Watson, he thinks they've been two of our best players.

 

[Harvey]

There's a contradiction there as he claims he absolutely wasn't in charge but then says that he signed Ameobi

Which is it Martin?

 

[mellison99]

Fair enough.

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[BryanRoy22]

Alrighty then.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

In fairness to MON and I don’t know if this was exactly what he was trying to say. He played Watson when everyone including me and I was loud about it questioned it every week. He dropped Carvalho, played Watson and played defensive football before Lamouchi did. However ONeil got pelters for it and Lamouchi did not. MON PPG was 66 over a season and Lamouchi was 70. The difference between them is minimal yet one is thought about disproportionately higher than another?!?! If I was Oneil I would feel miffed about it all as well.

 

[Project Zeus]

In fairness to MON and I don’t know if this was exactly what he was trying to say. He played Watson when everyone including me and I was loud about it questioned it every week. He dropped Carvalho, played Watson and played defensive football before Lamouchi did. However ONeil got pelters for it and Lamouchi did not. MON PPG was 66 over a season and Lamouchi was 70. The difference between them is minimal yet one is thought about disproportionately higher than another?!?! If I was Oneil I would feel miffed about it all as well.

I said all season that Lamouchi didn't receive much criticism because he had the club in the play-offs. Lo and behold, as soon as we dropped out, he got a lot of flak.

O'Neill was perhaps unlucky in the sense that he took the job mid season, but he's too intelligent and experienced a man to be naive enough to not know how his chosen industry works.

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[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I said all season that Lamouchi didn't receive much criticism because he had the club in the play-offs. Lo and behold, as soon as we dropped out, he got a lot of flak.

O'Neill was perhaps unlucky in the sense that he took the job mid season, but he's too intelligent and experienced a man to be naive enough to not know how his chosen industry works.

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Whilst true, for me It's about the general appreciation of how well they are doing anyway.

12 signings added (all brilliant apparently too) with only 1 significant departure, all for the massive leap from 9th to 7th.

And highest scoring, and arguably best, signing from that 12 was MON's signing anyway.

I'm well happy with Lamouchi, but I can't help but wonder if we'd have been higher if MON had been allowed to sign all 12 players, and persisted with him. If only for the fact a few more Ameobi types would have given us exactly what we needed.

And I wonder where we'd finished if we'd signed Diakaby on a free instead of Ameobi too?

 

[EmmersonForest4]

I said all season that Lamouchi didn't receive much criticism because he had the club in the play-offs. Lo and behold, as soon as we dropped out, he got a lot of flak.

O'Neill was perhaps unlucky in the sense that he took the job mid season, but he's too intelligent and experienced a man to be naive enough to not know how his chosen industry works.

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No I agree Oneill should have thick skin and yes your point is a good one that Lamouchi had us in the playoffs and so that masked things. Its mad to think though the difference between the two is so minimal because with forest fans you would think one was miles better than tother.

 

[Thomas]

Simply don’t care.

 

[Project Zeus]

Whilst true, for me It's about the general appreciation of how well they are doing anyway.

12 signings added (all brilliant apparently too) with only 1 significant departure, all for the massive leap from 9th to 7th.

And highest scoring, and arguably best, signing from that 12 was MON's signing anyway.

I'm well happy with Lamouchi, but I can't help but wonder if we'd have been higher if MON had been allowed to sign all 12 players, and persisted with him. If only for the fact a few more Ameobi types would have given us exactly what we needed.

And I wonder where we'd finished if we'd signed Diakaby on a free instead of Ameobi too?

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean: most fans (and owners) don't look beyond the league position when appraising a manager's performance - all the critical analysis of team selection and formation etc only really comes in significantly when the league position suffers.

Lamouchi had considerable input to transfers, so I can't imagine O'Neill would have signed Ribeiro, Samba, Diakhaby (sp?) etc - Ameobi worked out well to vindicate MON, Benalouanne, Muric less so (similarly to Lamouchi's hits and misses with Samba and Diakhaby).

Presuming the budget would have remained the same, I reckon he'd have signed some real duds to go with his hidden gems, just like Lamouchi, so I'm not confident MON and his signings would have had us any higher than 7th - looking at his past jobs he did spend a lot to achieve success, especially at Villa - but, who's to say? My gut feeling is he'd have had us in mid-table and would have been sacked at Christmas, but this is complete conjecture on my part.

As I said at the time though, I strongly believe that MON was only ever a temporary appointment to get us to the end of the season.

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[Danga]

In fairness to MON and I don’t know if this was exactly what he was trying to say. He played Watson when everyone including me and I was loud about it questioned it every week. He dropped Carvalho, played Watson and played defensive football before Lamouchi did. However ONeil got pelters for it and Lamouchi did not. MON PPG was 66 over a season and Lamouchi was 70. The difference between them is minimal yet one is thought about disproportionately higher than another?!?! If I was Oneil I would feel miffed about it all as well.

But that isn't a fair comparison because MON managed less than half the game SL has. It is like saying we should have stuck with Barlow and McParland as they had us at a 2.15 ppg or nearly 99 over the course of a season. The sample size isn't big enough.

I can appreciate they both adopt a more defensive style, but I think MON was far more direct. But do I think we would have been massively worse off with MON? Not really.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean: most fans (and owners) don't look beyond the league position when appraising a manager's performance - all the critical analysis of team selection and formation etc only really comes in significantly when the league position suffers.

Lamouchi had considerable input to transfers, so I can't imagine O'Neill would have signed Ribeiro, Samba, Diakhaby (sp?) etc - Ameobi worked out well to vindicate MON, Benalouanne, Muric less so (similarly to Lamouchi's hits and misses with Samba and Diakhaby).

Presuming the budget would have remained the same, I reckon he'd have signed some real duds to go with his hidden gems, just like Lamouchi, so I'm not confident MON and his signings would have had us any higher than 7th - looking at his past jobs he did spend a lot to achieve success, especially at Villa - but, who's to say? My gut feeling is he'd have had us in mid-table and would have been sacked at Christmas, but this is complete conjecture on my part.

As I said at the time though, I strongly believe that MON was only ever a temporary appointment to get us to the end of the season.

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Fair points.

But you're wrong

 

[RedDogChris]

Poor Martin, the Sunderland fans say they got a relic when he was there and the game long eluded him by the time he was here.

 

[Wes' Organ]

Poor Martin, the Sunderland fans say they got a relic when he was there and the game long eluded him by the time he was here.

Well, if Sunderland fans said it......

 

[Harvey]

Martin 'Stopgap' O'Neill?

 

[OLDMANRED]

Martin 'Stopgap' O'Neill?

There was never a cat in hells chance he was going to be in charge last season. Just kept the chair warm.

 

[Tobias]

Poor Martin, the Sunderland fans say they got a relic when he was there and the game long eluded him by the time he was here.

He kept them in the Premier League for a couple of seasons, didn't he?

I guess they'd take that now if they were offered it...

 

[Carlos]

This thread makes for some interesting reading considering some views currently held and untouchable by anyone who has doubts.... uck: