Home and Away Memberships 2022/23

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Forestjones

Geoff Thomas
Used to pay £50 a season for an away season ticket. Postage costs for tickets for each League and cup away match were included in that fee. The scheme was stopped a year after the current owner came on the scene. Most former members are still annoyed that it was stopped.
 

RRRREDUN

Jack Armstrong
Ditto
ditto
ditto
much of what's been said on here. Seems that the problems came from some Ticketmaster process. I had a ticket allocated on screen but I couldn't check out (even though the system wouldn't let me have more than one ticket and that there was supposedly lots of time to complete the transaction).
The pressure on our fans during this process is not fun. Existing away members should not have to scrap it out for restricted tickets with the fans who have just joined the scheme. I have pointed out the lack of fairness to the ticket office management. It seems that those of us who went to the majority of away games while we were struggling in the lower divisions, who went to unattractive night games have to slug it out with the nouveau fans who are suddenly the best away supporters in the world. Ever.
Moan over. Probably.
 

Louth Red

Youth Team
This situation has been caused by the club’s greed in selling too many away memberships-I personally
don’t blame Ticketmaster but the club itself.
Somebody at Nottingham Forest should be hanging their heads in shame (or preferably resign) for shitting
on long term loyal fans.
Nottingham Forest would do well to remember that they may need those supporters when we inevitably
take a downturn at some point in the future.
The trust just toe the company line. Shit houses do nothing for the fan base.

Forza do everything the trust claim to do and more.
As usual a lazy comment about the Trust with no evidence.

I value the work Forza does and chose not to criticise it even when it gets things wrong.

The Trust has a professional relationship with the Club and holds it properly to account - which is why there was a proper face to face meeting with the Club Chairman at short notice last week raising ticket issues (and other issues) in a formal way based on member input. The issues raised are based on facts not hearsay and the Trust has had a formal documented response In quick time.

The Football Club Chairman meets and talks to all Supporter Groups - the Trust, Forza, Supporters Club, Punjabi Forest, NFDSA etc.

The Trust may not like some aspects of the response from the Chairman but in relation to away tickets it is quite revealing:

1. Last season (excluding the final) 42% of away tickets were purchased by non Away Members.
2. Last season 50% of away members attended ten or fewer away games.
3. Last season away members took up last than 50% of the away allocation on average.

Of course this season everyone claims to be a loyal away member, and wants to go to all games which is not possible.

I’ve previously given my personal view that I feel for those attended more say the half away games last season - I know supporters who went to 16 and 17 away games. Also I feel for those who normally go to most away games but had personal or family reasons to miss out. Perhaps a second tier of priority could have been implemented.

I also accept that the Ticketmaster software is inadequate as it is a generic system across the leisure industry, but software amendments are not easy to secure.

Those who criticise the Trust have no idea what efforts key people do, and the time they dedicate to it to the detriment of their business, employment or family. There are no (and shouldn’t be) advantages to Trust Board members - in fact it is quite the opposite.

If you want an independent view ask the Football Supporters Association about NFST and it’s work. NFST is an active affiliate member doing real work locally and nationally for supporters.

Better still, pay £12 pa to join the Trust and stand for election - that’s the easy bit as there is no queue.

Oh and please stick to facts when criticising those who freely give of their time on behalf of members/supporters for no reward but lots of hassle from uninformed supporters.

By all means vent your frustration at the lack success in securing away tickets but please direct it in the correct direction.

and before you ask yes I have tickets for both Newcastle and Everton - I believe it’s rewarding loyalty for twenty away league games last season (and for many seasons going back to PL days), although I am frustrated at losing 56 loyalty points. Not bad for a person with disability on borrowed time.
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
As usual a lazy comment about the Trust with no evidence.

I value the work Forza does and chose not to criticise it even when it gets things wrong.

The Trust has a professional relationship with the Club and holds it properly to account - which is why there was a proper face to face meeting with the Club Chairman at short notice last week raising ticket issues (and other issues) in a formal way based on member input. The issues raised are based on facts not hearsay and the Trust has had a formal documented response In quick time.

The Football Club Chairman meets and talks to all Supporter Groups - the Trust, Forza, Supporters Club, Punjabi Forest, NFDSA etc.

The Trust may not like some aspects of the response from the Chairman but in relation to away tickets it is quite revealing:

1. Last season (excluding the final) 42% of away tickets were purchased by non Away Members.
2. Last season 50% of away members attended ten or fewer away games.
3. Last season away members took up last than 50% of the away allocation on average.

Of course this season everyone claims to be a loyal away member, and wants to go to all games which is not possible.

I’ve previously given my personal view that I feel for those attended more say the half away games last season - I know supporters who went to 16 and 17 away games. Also I feel for those who normally go to most away games but had personal or family reasons to miss out. Perhaps a second tier of priority could have been implemented.

I also accept that the Ticketmaster software is inadequate as it is a generic system across the leisure industry, but software amendments are not easy to secure.

Those who criticise the Trust have no idea what efforts key people do, and the time they dedicate to it to the detriment of their business, employment or family. There are no (and shouldn’t be) advantages to Trust Board members - in fact it is quite the opposite.

If you want an independent view ask the Football Supporters Association about NFST and it’s work. NFST is an active affiliate member doing real work locally and nationally for supporters.

Better still, pay £12 pa to join the Trust and stand for election - that’s the easy bit as there is no queue.

Oh and please stick to facts when criticising those who freely give of their time on behalf of members/supporters for no reward but lots of hassle from uninformed supporters.

By all means vent your frustration at the lack success in securing away tickets but please direct it in the correct direction.

and before you ask yes I have tickets for both Newcastle and Everton - I believe it’s rewarding loyalty for twenty away league games last season (and for many seasons going back to PL days), although I am frustrated at losing 56 loyalty points. Not bad for a person with disability on borrowed time.
The criticism of the Trust has not been about their efforts to speak to the club. We all know they do that, and good for them.

What many have criticised the Trust for, is claiming to speak on behalf of all Forest fans even when they clearly don’t.

They haven’t canvased opinion outside their own circle very well, ap from social media (and not everyone does social media). We even offered to collate input from this forum, but they weren’t interested in even exploring that.
 

Haych

Jack Burkitt
The criticism of the Trust has not been about their efforts to speak to the club. We all know they do that, and good for them.

What many have criticised the Trust for, is claiming to speak on behalf of all Forest fans even when they clearly don’t.

They haven’t canvased opinion outside their own circle very well, ap from social media (and not everyone does social media). We even offered to collate input from this forum, but they weren’t interested in even exploring that.
The trust only listen to your opinion if you pay them.
 

Louth Red

Youth Team
The criticism of the Trust has not been about their efforts to speak to the club. We all know they do that, and good for them.

What many have criticised the Trust for, is claiming to speak on behalf of all Forest fans even when they clearly don’t.

They haven’t canvased opinion outside their own circle very well, ap from social media (and not everyone does social media). We even offered to collate input from this forum, but they weren’t interested in even exploring that.
Strummer please read the response above from haych which you liked.

The Trust has a membership to which it is responsible although there are often shared views across most supporters.

The Trust has a proper standing and a Constitution which means it has to act on behalf of its members, and is accountable to FAC. It‘s why it is allowed affiliate status with the FSA - and why for example Forza aren’t (no criticism).

My post is about uninformed posting and also the ridiculous comment of Haych. There are some posters who choose to always criticise the Trust without evidence - I’ve resisted the temptation to respond so far but that post is incorrect.

The Fan Led Review needs Supporter Groups to come together - at NFFC we share a common bond - it’s in our DNA. Sadly I’ll-informed comments will divide the supporter base to all our detriment.

You have my email - please feel to contact me - maybe we can have a zoom.

Our Club is back at the top table with an ambitious owner and a great manager - that should be the supporter focus.
 

Jim-hat

A. Trialist
"1. Last season (excluding the final) 42% of away tickets were purchased by non Away Members.
2. Last season 50% of away members attended ten or fewer away games.
3. Last season away members took up last than 50% of the away allocation on average"

If only there were some kind of loyalty points assigned to each person based on the away games they attended regardless of Away Membership status last season. We could use those loyalty points now to tier how tickets are sold within the structure of the away membership scheme. E.g. Luton away has previously been sold in a priority order of:

Away membership + X loyalty Points
Away membership + Y loyalty Points
Away membership + Z loyalty Points
Season Ticket Holders
Etc.

This doesn't give preferential treatment to someone who who held the away membership last year but attended 0 games vs. Someone who had no away membership last season but attended 10 away games.

Something like this would seem like a compromise to me. It'd reduce the chaos and strain on the ticketing system and also still reward fans who followed Forest on the road last season regardless of their previous Away Membership status.
 
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REDDERS78

Youth Team
Would it be silly to ask if anyone has received their ST yet?

No that I'm expecting it anytime soon. Lasts seasons never arrived so I had to go and pick another up, then it arrived the same morning as the game :ROFLMAO:
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
Strummer please read the response above from haych which you liked.

The Trust has a membership to which it is responsible although there are often shared views across most supporters.

The Trust has a proper standing and a Constitution which means it has to act on behalf of its members, and is accountable to FAC. It‘s why it is allowed affiliate status with the FSA - and why for example Forza aren’t (no criticism).

My post is about uninformed posting and also the ridiculous comment of Haych. There are some posters who choose to always criticise the Trust without evidence - I’ve resisted the temptation to respond so far but that post is incorrect.

The Fan Led Review needs Supporter Groups to come together - at NFFC we share a common bond - it’s in our DNA. Sadly I’ll-informed comments will divide the supporter base to all our detriment.

You have my email - please feel to contact me - maybe we can have a zoom.

Our Club is back at the top table with an ambitious owner and a great manager - that should be the supporter focus.
Maybe I can put it this way:

I don’t know how long you’ve been involved with the Trust, maybe since it started or more recently?

When they first appeared, they claimed to speak for all Forest fans, and we (the forum) offered to give them feedback from our members (and we have a few thousand of those) that they could put forward to the club. Their reply at the time could be paraphrased as „pay up and join the Trust then we will think about it“.

To be honest, it smacked a little bit of arrogance, entitlement and elitism, and it did leave a very sour taste.

We - the forum - were offering to help them, a nascent organisation, and they rebuffed it.

So, please, excuse me if I come off a tiny bit salty when the subject comes up. It’s not personal, at all, and I have great respect for anyone who takes on a wholly volunteer role to help other fans of NFFC (like moderating a forum, for instance).

Dunno, maybe the Trust has changed its spots (metaphorically) more recently. But for me - and many others - the „pay us and then we’ll talk“ attitude did not endear us to the Trust at all.

Again, nothing personal to you, and I’m sure they’re doing an excellent job for their membership, as they’ve got regular access to the hierarchy (which we, as a forum, do not have, but then we are a right scruffy shower, especially the Moderators - apart from T. B. T. who is the only one who scrubs up well).
 

gamble

Stuart Pearce
I very much doubt the Trust has as many active members as this forum, and takes as much time moderating as this forum does!

And this is done for free, with the exception of the tiny amount of and revenue to pay for the server costs.

This forum represents me far better than the trust ever will, and I disagree with half of what's written on here 😂
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
I very much doubt the Trust has as many active members as this forum, and takes as much time moderating as this forum does!

And this is done for free, with the exception of the tiny amount of and revenue to pay for the server costs.

This forum represents me far better than the trust ever will, and I disagree with half of what's written on here 😂
Only half???

(I mean, I „work“ for this forum because it’s a labour of love. And for fuck’s sake I don’t even live in the UK anymore, let alone Nottingham.

What’s the old saying? You can take the boy out of Nottingham, but you can’t take Nottingham out of the boy…?)
 

gamble

Stuart Pearce
Only half???

(I mean, I „work“ for this forum because it’s a labour of love. And for fuck’s sake I don’t even live in the UK anymore, let alone Nottingham.

What’s the old saying? You can take the boy out of Nottingham, but you can’t take Nottingham out of the boy…?)
Maybe 2/3s then 😂
 

incapable hulk

Best served cold
Strummer please read the response above from haych which you liked.

The Trust has a membership to which it is responsible although there are often shared views across most supporters.

The Trust has a proper standing and a Constitution which means it has to act on behalf of its members, and is accountable to FAC. It‘s why it is allowed affiliate status with the FSA - and why for example Forza aren’t (no criticism).

My post is about uninformed posting and also the ridiculous comment of Haych. There are some posters who choose to always criticise the Trust without evidence - I’ve resisted the temptation to respond so far but that post is incorrect.

The Fan Led Review needs Supporter Groups to come together - at NFFC we share a common bond - it’s in our DNA. Sadly I’ll-informed comments will divide the supporter base to all our detriment.

You have my email - please feel to contact me - maybe we can have a zoom.

Our Club is back at the top table with an ambitious owner and a great manager - that should be the supporter focus.


I like the idea of a supporters trust but I think it has to work on the basis of getting and representing views from all parts of the supporter base - not just the few who are willing to give them money.

Otherwise it’s just a small club paying for access. Not actually a force or organisation with every supporters interests at its core. Just those who pay.
 

adam09

Super Koopa
Now as much as I hate Leeds Utd my cousin is a fan here is what they did for 2021/22 season- seems a decent system that reflects loyalty over several years but also gets as many fans as possible access to games.

This is pretty much what I suggested Forest did weeks ago.

Instead, Forest have made it so a massive amount of SC holders have pretty much zero chance of getting an away ticket.
 

Louth Red

Youth Team
The criticism of the Trust has not been about their efforts to speak to the club. We all know they do that, and good for them.

What many have criticised the Trust for, is claiming to speak on behalf of all Forest fans even when they clearly don’t.

They haven’t canvased opinion outside their own circle very well, ap from social media (and not everyone does social media). We even offered to collate input from this forum, but they weren’t interested in even exploring that.
Strummer the Trust has never claimed to speak on behalf of all supporters. It has also made efforts to bring supporter groups together without success, but it will be trying again soon - the Fan Led Review requires this if the supporter view is to be as influential as it needs to be.

What is frustrating is that too many people have no regard for the real facts and make quotes which are utterly wrong - such as the Trust membership, it’s influence, and it’s impact. When challenged no-one backs it up but instead post more non-facts. Sadly this is a feature of modern life.

I made a genuine offer to talk directly with - that offer stands, but requires you to make contact with me.

Those who believe the Trust is an elite few could not be more wrong - we are genuine people with a largely working class background but with a huge love and affinity for our football club. The Board is elected by and accountable to its sizeable membership; it is scrutinised by the FSA, and accountable to the FCA. We work actively at local and national level to promote the interests of Forest supporters. We also undertake community initiatives to help disadvantaged groups, to promote diversity, and to support those with mental health challenges.

Every Forest supporter group has its own ambitions and distinct approach - some have formal accountable structures and some don’t, some have modest annual charges and some don’t. The reality is that the great majority of Forest supporters belong to no group - therefore canvassing a representative view of all supporters is virtually impossible.

These groups need to co-exist whilst fulfilling their own roles. Some clubs have achieved this by recognising the value of working together; other clubs have been unable to break down the barriers between supporter groups and therefore have less traction and influence with their club. This is a real problem if we are to see the benefits of the Fan Led Review.

This forum is very different to the supporters groups as it is ‘a forum for discussion’ with widely ranging views which rarely can achieve consensus, let alone present an agreed position to the Club. It performs an important but very different role to Supporter Groups.

My background has required honesty and integrity throughout a long career. I never criticise other Supporter Groups but respect the work they do. I respect the views of others which may differ from mine as long as they are factually correct. The Trust has a similar approach and genuinely holds the Club to account which is why there is an extensive report to members on the recent Q & A. There will be a further recorded Q & A with the Club Chairman based on member questions.

I respect yourself and others who run and moderate this forum, and acknowledge the time and commitment you give. However, when posts are factually incorrect and abusive to the Trust or me I will respond.

Cohesion not division for the benefit of all Forest supporters should be the objective.
 

Morpeth_Edgar

A none cap wonder
Strummer the Trust has never claimed to speak on behalf of all supporters. It has also made efforts to bring supporter groups together without success, but it will be trying again soon - the Fan Led Review requires this if the supporter view is to be as influential as it needs to be.

What is frustrating is that too many people have no regard for the real facts and make quotes which are utterly wrong - such as the Trust membership, it’s influence, and it’s impact. When challenged no-one backs it up but instead post more non-facts. Sadly this is a feature of modern life.

I made a genuine offer to talk directly with - that offer stands, but requires you to make contact with me.

Those who believe the Trust is an elite few could not be more wrong - we are genuine people with a largely working class background but with a huge love and affinity for our football club. The Board is elected by and accountable to its sizeable membership; it is scrutinised by the FSA, and accountable to the FCA. We work actively at local and national level to promote the interests of Forest supporters. We also undertake community initiatives to help disadvantaged groups, to promote diversity, and to support those with mental health challenges.

Every Forest supporter group has its own ambitions and distinct approach - some have formal accountable structures and some don’t, some have modest annual charges and some don’t. The reality is that the great majority of Forest supporters belong to no group - therefore canvassing a representative view of all supporters is virtually impossible.

These groups need to co-exist whilst fulfilling their own roles. Some clubs have achieved this by recognising the value of working together; other clubs have been unable to break down the barriers between supporter groups and therefore have less traction and influence with their club. This is a real problem if we are to see the benefits of the Fan Led Review.

This forum is very different to the supporters groups as it is ‘a forum for discussion’ with widely ranging views which rarely can achieve consensus, let alone present an agreed position to the Club. It performs an important but very different role to Supporter Groups.

My background has required honesty and integrity throughout a long career. I never criticise other Supporter Groups but respect the work they do. I respect the views of others which may differ from mine as long as they are factually correct. The Trust has a similar approach and genuinely holds the Club to account which is why there is an extensive report to members on the recent Q & A. There will be a further recorded Q & A with the Club Chairman based on member questions.

I respect yourself and others who run and moderate this forum, and acknowledge the time and commitment you give. However, when posts are factually incorrect and abusive to the Trust or me I will respond.

Cohesion not division for the benefit of all Forest supporters should be the objective.
How many members does the Trust have?
 

Bonalair

John Robertson
I think the criticism of the trust is bizarre especially Strummers, which is like a girl who’s been snubbed and still hates the lad years later. They don’t think they speak for everyone at all and as Louth says provide an important and industry respected role, a very different role from Forza but an equally important one.

They’ve gone and got formal answers from the club on the ticketing issues so you now have freely available answers to a lot of the questions. You might not like the answers, but at least you can see the clubs thinking. You haven’t paid the £12, but you have the benefit of their work and relationship with the club.

You don’t want to join, don’t. I do very little with my membership, I’m totally inactive, but I’m happy to support them as the only formal body of their type.
 
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