Notcher
Stuart Pearce
We see it all the time when certain events happen, people decry the response and and ignore the root cause which caused the response
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Snatchday 1: Nottingham Forest Vs the PGMOL
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I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
This should be a #metoo moment for Premier League clubs demanding that refereeing standards be raised and that there should be a reduction in the bad calls. There have been far to many this year, and last.
JohnnyCarey
Viv Anderson
I think you're missing my point. I'm not talking about us suing PGMOL but about Atwell personally suing us. Like it or not, our tweet implied that he made those decisions because he is a Luton fan, which is to say he made them corruptly in order to have an effect on the PL table. London is crawling with libel lawyers who make a fortune out of taking these cases and I'd be really surprised if he's not deluged with offers to take his case. That case would not be about whether PGMOL is corrupt; it would be about whether Atwell himself as an individual is corrupt.
Frankly, if I were a libel lawyer, I'd be salivating at the prospect of suing NFFC on his behalf because we've made an allegation we cannot possibly prove. They have us over a barrel and all because of an ill-considered tweet.
vertigored
First Team Squad
Problem is, for him to prove he wasn’t corrupt he is actually going to have to come up with a reason for not giving at least 1 penalty
JohnnyCarey
Viv Anderson
So, on any rational basis, you're entirely correct. But alas that's not how the libel laws work. The basic test is what a "reasonable person" might be led to think on the basis of what you've written. I think it's overwhelmingly likely that a ruling would be that a reasonable person would think we were implying that Attwell denied us 3 penalties because he's a Luton fan. They could actually cite quite a few posts on here to that effect. And if that is what NFFC implied, the club has to prove it. I'm not saying for a moment that this is right or just -- but it's the way England's crazy libel laws work.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
That's not how the law works. If he brings action then it's up to us to prove he is, not for him to prove he isn't.
JohnnyCarey
Viv Anderson
Sorry, but this is completely wrong. In a libel trial, he doesn't have to prove anything. To repeat: he does not have to show he wasn't corrupt; we, as the accusers have to prove that he was. As I've said, the entire onus of proof is on the accuser -- which is NFFC. He could, if he chose, say nothing at all. We have to prove that he didn't give the penalties because he was trying to rig the PL in Luton's favour. Otherwise, he wins seriously big damages.
Bohinens_chip
A. Trialist
Stick it on the tab?
Alan Akbah
Geoff Thomas
I think people might be laughing at us...
Arsebishop Desmond TwoTwo
Touching Cloth
But he is a bitch. We can call him that.
A biiiiiiig, freaky, bitch.
Like many here, myself included.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Luton can laugh all they want.
The PL want Forest gone because we pose a threat to the consistency of the league.
Once we're out of the way, they'll set their sights firmly back on ensuring the three smallest clubs go down next season.
The PL want Forest gone because we pose a threat to the consistency of the league.
Once we're out of the way, they'll set their sights firmly back on ensuring the three smallest clubs go down next season.
vertigored
First Team Squad
No but we haven’t accused him of being corrupt, merely pointed out to the pgmol that he could potentially have a subconscious bias, and who would have thought it but 3 “errors“ that are either down to incompetence, corruption or an unconscious bias that a lot of commentators who are unbiased have said that youngs has got away with all 3 and everton are very fortunate to have had the decisions go their way.
Redofheaven2
Youth Team
A draw maybe but a Forest win was a terrible result for them, they now play an Everton team who are safe and would prefer Luton as oppenents next season.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Inference is enough to bring a case for defamation
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
I dont see how Luton would want a draw. The favourable result is to keep the nearest team near. It isn’t really the point though. They could have put anyone in the studio for that game but they chose a Luton fan, even after it was pointed out.
Far have we travelled
Youth Team
I was thinking along those lines too.
RedHelly
Youth Team
It's bent as it's always been, but Mr Marinakis is going to take the buggers on. Rebel City Nottingham, COYR!
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Well the Forest tweet has been viewed almost 33 Million times so it's definitely caused a people to sit up and take note.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
I don’t get this point I see over and over. There are rules in a game and we have been constantly f**ked over at key times in game after game, especially since December.
If the game swings our way at these key times we’d have won more and then we maybe would have won some more football matches. The knock on is that we can then play with pressure off. Some people talk like these things make no difference. If it happens once or twice per season you just have to get on with it, when it is happening over and over and over it is a serious issue.
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GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
Yeah I was surprised with the support on Twitter
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
And we could play his reel of constant idiotic decisions the **** has made for 15 years now.
He has t got pockets deep enough to sue us on that tweet.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Best result for Luton was what they got, an Everton win.
Everton were 2 points clear of them, 2 games in hand on them and still had Sheff utd to play. No way were Luton catching Everton even if Everton lost.
So any sort of points for Forest was a bad result for them.
Thomas
Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
I think it’s more than half of football twitter supports us. We look like children tweeting like that but f***ing hell we got everyone’s attention and support.
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Geoff Thomas
Why is Gary Neville wearing a bulletproof vest?