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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

Future of the WFCG? What‘s your preference?

  • Current site - just replace the BC and PT stands

    Votes: 143 61.4%

  • Current site, demolish the existing stadium and build a new one (with ground share during works)

    Votes: 72 30.9%

  • New Stadium further down the River Trent

    Votes: 20 8.6%

  • New Stadium out-of-town

    Votes: 6 2.6%

  • New Stadium in the city centre (Eastside option)

    Votes: 28 12.0%

  • Do nothing and stay as it is with 30k max capacity

    Votes: 8 3.4%

  • Other (I will tell you in the comments)

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • Total voters
    233
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
The Spurs plan also depends on having a big city catchment, plus being in the media view constantly. Also having the money and the space to build a stadium housing 60,000 (or having an Olympic Games stadium conveniently placed on your doorstep) and then persuading those big city people to come.

Surely our plan should be to follow Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton et al. Although my thoughts on those three are that they will all disappear when they get a duff manager, but a few years at the top build a war chest that should see you through the lean times.
 
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redodare

First Team Squad
I understand these points.

Ambition would need to be matched by resources. I assume that Marinakis has plenty of cash . Or can access cash. And of course, the days of cheap money due to low interest rates are for now ended, as Everton are finding out.

Being in the media constantly will require better joined up Marketing. Our Marketing is reflective of a club who got a surpise promotion.

The catchment area point is interesting. Looking at City Monitor data, they have different ways of looking at things but start with populations as a continuous urban mass.

citymonitor.ai

Where are the largest cities in Britain?

There are actually a few different metrics by which to find the largest cities in Britain. It depends on how you define your boundaries.
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  1. London – 10,803,000
  2. Birmingham – 2,517,000
  3. Manchester – 2,449,000
  4. Leeds-Bradford – 1,659,000
  5. Glasgow – 1,100,000
  6. Southampton-Portsmouth – 805,000
  7. Liverpool – 835,000
  8. Newcastle – 719,000*
  9. Nottingham – 719,000*
  10. Sheffield – 603,000
London while bigger and more affluent, and great transport links has many clubs . Probably expians why Brentford is for sale. Their plan is delivered and needs a fresh approach.

Agree Brighton is a realistic model - however we have a bigger catchment area - particularly if we can pick up fans from the wider East Midlands. Why not look to compete wiith Newcastle?
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
redodare said:
I understand these points.

Ambition would need to be matched by resources. I assume that Marinakis has plenty of cash . Or can access cash. And of course, the days of cheap money due to low interest rates are for now ended, as Everton are finding out.

Being in the media constantly will require better joined up Marketing. Our Marketing is reflective of a club who got a surpise promotion.

Agree Brighton is a realistic model - however we have a bigger catchment area - particularly if we can pick up fans from the wider East Midlands. Why not look to compete wiith Newcastle?
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Newcastle - leaving aside their ownership - have always enjoyed being a one-team city, unlike many others on that list.

And for Nottingham, you’ve got the presence of County, Leicester and the sheep-shaggers as diversions too.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
redodare said:
I understand these points.

Ambition would need to be matched by resources. I assume that Marinakis has plenty of cash . Or can access cash. And of course, the days of cheap money due to low interest rates are for now ended, as Everton are finding out.

Being in the media constantly will require better joined up Marketing. Our Marketing is reflective of a club who got a surpise promotion.

The catchment area point is interesting. Looking at City Monitor data, they have different ways of looking at things but start with populations as a continuous urban mass.

citymonitor.ai

Where are the largest cities in Britain?

There are actually a few different metrics by which to find the largest cities in Britain. It depends on how you define your boundaries.
citymonitor.ai citymonitor.ai

  1. London – 10,803,000
  2. Birmingham – 2,517,000
  3. Manchester – 2,449,000
  4. Leeds-Bradford – 1,659,000
  5. Glasgow – 1,100,000
  6. Southampton-Portsmouth – 805,000
  7. Liverpool – 835,000
  8. Newcastle – 719,000*
  9. Nottingham – 719,000*
  10. Sheffield – 603,000
London while bigger and more affluent, and great transport links has many clubs . Probably expians why Brentford is for sale. Their plan is delivered and needs a fresh approach.

Agree Brighton is a realistic model - however we have a bigger catchment area - particularly if we can pick up fans from the wider East Midlands. Why not look to compete wiith Newcastle?
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It's not just about catchment area it's about:
1) Transport options to said area
2) (Global) appeal of the club.

Look in the crowd next time you see Spurs on the tele or Man Utd - there's tonnes of foreigners from Asia who are in the UK for a few days/week and there's tonnes of people from ethnic backgrounds who for whatever reason support clubs outside their local area and will travel to the games.

Forest will have an upper limit of attendance/revenue from attendance until such a point we break the top six. It's probably around the 40k mark and £50 a ticket (not including away fans, add those on top, but you can't monetise them easily).
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
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redodare

First Team Squad
MaxiRobriguez said:
It's not just about catchment area it's about:
1) Transport options to said area
2) (Global) appeal of the club.

Look in the crowd next time you see Spurs on the tele or Man Utd - there's tonnes of foreigners from Asia who are in the UK for a few days/week and there's tonnes of people from ethnic backgrounds who for whatever reason support clubs outside their local area and will travel to the games.

Forest will have an upper limit of attendance/revenue from attendance until such a point we break the top six. It's probably around the 40k mark and £50 a ticket (not including away fans, add those on top, but you can't monetise them easily).
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Proper Marketing can address the global thing.

As I said part of the reason so many Korean's both living here and in their homeland support Spurs is because of Son. Moreover, the club activley promote their offer to them - and then make then feel special and welcome - as they did yesterday.

Many Columbian people support Liverpool because of Luis Diaz.

What could we do to market Taiwo to the 200,000 Nigerians who live in the UK?
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
redodare said:
Proper Marketing can address the global thing.
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I'm not convinced.

South Korean's might be going to see Spurs games but South Korean's are typically well-off (comparative to global averages), Son is the stand-out player for South Korea and they're tying that in with a London visit.

Colombian's aren't visiting Liverpool en masse because Liverpool's not appealing and Colombian's are poor We aren't going to get a conveyor belt of Nigerian's from Nigeria for the same reason, but also because Forest aren't top six and Taiwo isn't the star of Nigeria. If Nigerian fans are going anywhere it's to Naples. For homegrown Nigerian fans they're already supporting Arsenal.

If it was so easy to drive up your attendances/revenue from attendance then Cardiff with their Malaysian tie in would be a mid-table PL side.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
redodare said:
What could we do to market Taiwo to the 200,000 Nigerians who live in the UK?
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Get him supping a pint of Guinness.

The lads from Lagos absolutely love themselves a Guinness; Nigeria is, I believe one of the largest export destinations for Guinness (especially, Foreign Extra Stout).
 
magicwoand

magicwoand

It tizwas it is
redodare said:
Proper Marketing can address the global thing.

As I said part of the reason so many Korean's both living here and in their homeland support Spurs is because of Son. Moreover, the club activley promote their offer to them - and then make then feel special and welcome - as they did yesterday.

Many Columbian people support Liverpool because of Luis Diaz.

What could we do to market Taiwo to the 200,000 Nigerians who live in the UK?
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New legs?
 
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YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
Spoke to a couple of Spurs "fans" on the tube yesterday. They had flown in from New York that morning, and were asking us where to get off for the ground!

I know some Liverpool fans are resenting the amount of football tourists being admitted, at the expense of locals. Last season at Anfield, I did the 17.45 train from Liverpool to London. It was rammed full of Liverpool fans, and many of those were Asians or Americans.

Its changing the demographic of our national game, and not for the better. If they came back with the European Super League, I'd quite happily wave the top 6 goodbye now!
 
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redodare

First Team Squad
Maybe Taiwo is a bad example. But the general point stands.

Behave like a small club and be forever a small club.

Splash big persuaidng Reyna to sign , then recoup by marketing the player to the US PL fan base maybe a better example.
 
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redodare

First Team Squad
YellowBelly Red said:
Spoke to a couple of Spurs "fans" on the tube yesterday. They had flown in from New York that morning, and were asking us where to get off for the ground!

I know some Liverpool fans are resenting the amount of football tourists being admitted, at the expense of locals. Last season at Anfield, I did the 17.45 train from Liverpool to London. It was rammed full of Liverpool fans, and many of those were Asians or Americans.

Its changing the demographic of our national game, and not for the better. If they came back with the European Super League, I'd quite happily wave the top 6 goodbye now!
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Seems the case for all the bigger clubs. And their efforts to capitalise on the global reach of the PL brand is making the gap between the bigger and smaller clubs ever wider. The new FFP rules incentivise this commercial approacj further.

As I see it, our choice is to embrace the change or recognise that our current plight - championship/PL yo-yo team - is our ceiling.
 
magicwoand

magicwoand

It tizwas it is
YellowBelly Red said:
Spoke to a couple of Spurs "fans" on the tube yesterday. They had flown in from New York that morning, and were asking us where to get off for the ground!

I know some Liverpool fans are resenting the amount of football tourists being admitted, at the expense of locals. Last season at Anfield, I did the 17.45 train from Liverpool to London. It was rammed full of Liverpool fans, and many of those were Asians or Americans.

Its changing the demographic of our national game, and not for the better. If they came back with the European Super League, I'd quite happily wave the top 6 goodbye now!
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Spurs added 26000 more seats with their new stadium, I'm sure plenty of 'true' Spurs fans are still able to go to the matches.
 
football post

football post

I'm still here Crewton
Funniest thing we saw yesterday was an Asian lady buying a half and half scarf outside the ground. They had a few to choose from so she decided on a Spurs Luton one. She obviously had no idea at all who Spurs were playing but it probably better matched her outfit.

I'd rather be relegated than become a part of this circus.
 
sammy the snake

sammy the snake

Jack Armstrong
stockers said:
I’m going to the spurs game today, ticket in the corporate section I really don’t want to go but a friend thinks they’re doing me a favour. I went last year aswell, it’s not that I’m sitting with spurs fans (although that’s not ideal) it’s the fact that it feels like I’m in an airport lounge or a hotel lobby. I actually feel pretty disgusted in myself, don’t get me on the amount of food and alcohol that’s wasted in these areas it’s absolutely vulgar.. Not that we’d get this if we moved, we’d be left with no identity and something like Brighton or Reading (the worst grounds I’ve been to) and a shocking atmosphere..
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The atmosphere yesterday looking utterly hopeless from spurs fans, Forest were very vocal. I’m not having a go at spurs fans either, it’s on par with the shittest in the premier
 
Grenville 1898

Grenville 1898

Nicolás Domínguez - King of the Press
YellowBelly Red said:
Spoke to a couple of Spurs "fans" on the tube yesterday. They had flown in from New York that morning, and were asking us where to get off for the ground!

I know some Liverpool fans are resenting the amount of football tourists being admitted, at the expense of locals. Last season at Anfield, I did the 17.45 train from Liverpool to London. It was rammed full of Liverpool fans, and many of those were Asians or Americans.

Its changing the demographic of our national game, and not for the better. If they came back with the European Super League, I'd quite happily wave the top 6 goodbye now!
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Spurs also host a couple of regular season NFL games each year which will widen their exposure to the American market. Still laugh at American commentators referring to the British 'Tottenham Hotspurs stadium' and having real difficulty with pronunciation.
 
Lady Penelope

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
stockers said:
I’m going to the spurs game today, ticket in the corporate section I really don’t want to go but a friend thinks they’re doing me a favour. I went last year aswell, it’s not that I’m sitting with spurs fans (although that’s not ideal) it’s the fact that it feels like I’m in an airport lounge or a hotel lobby. I actually feel pretty disgusted in myself, don’t get me on the amount of food and alcohol that’s wasted in these areas it’s absolutely vulgar.. Not that we’d get this if we moved, we’d be left with no identity and something like Brighton or Reading (the worst grounds I’ve been to) and a shocking atmosphere..
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I agree about the 'airport lounge' feeling. Also agree Reading is appalling.
What we have to consider, and what the club have to consider, is this: if we can't get the necessary agreements for the WFCG, and we have to relocate, what sort of a ground do we want? I stress, if we have to, if there is no alternative. There's certainly agreement on what we don't want, and I've said before that any new ground could look and feel like the WFCG, only better and bigger. After that, it would be up to the fans.
I still think that an agreement on the lease will be forthcoming, if not a purchase of the freehold. That gets the PT rebuild going, then to the Bridgford and improvements to the BC. It will be in that order though, without a new lease or the freehold investment in the WFCG will stop.
 
Lady Penelope

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
sammy the snake said:
The atmosphere yesterday looking utterly hopeless from spurs fans, Forest were very vocal. I’m not having a go at spurs fans either, it’s on par with the shittest in the premier
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100% this. The posh bits are posh, but it is not a football ground, it is some form of entertainment centre.
 
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Louth Red

First Team Squad
sammy the snake said:
The atmosphere yesterday looking utterly hopeless from spurs fans, Forest were very vocal. I’m not having a go at spurs fans either, it’s on par with the shittest in the premier
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Same last year as well.

I never thought that I would attend a PL game with an attendance of 60k plus where they need a drum to produce even a very modest atmosphere. Even the drum was silent when we were well on top following the equaliser yesterday.

It‘s a feature of all the big six grounds that the atmosphere is reactive to the game.

We need to recognise at Forest that we need a mindset change to driving up revenue but that it will not happen overnight.

Pleased to see that most recognise that we have something unique with the WFCG but we need to bring it up to date with modern facilities and greater capacity ASAP.
 
Tricky Tourist

Tricky Tourist

Viv Anderson
Louth Red said:
Same last year as well.

I never thought that I would attend a PL game with an attendance of 60k plus where they need a drum to produce even a very modest atmosphere. Even the drum was silent when we were well on top following the equaliser yesterday.

It‘s a feature of all the big six grounds that the atmosphere is reactive to the game.

We need to recognise at Forest that we need a mindset change to driving up revenue but that it will not happen overnight.

Pleased to see that most recognise that we have something unique with the WFCG but we need to bring it up to date with modern facilities and greater capacity ASAP.
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Good point. I'm used to drums at US games, but they're usually banging away on them all match. On a related note, I thought Spurs' trumpet accompaniment to Southampton's song was totally cringe. I hope we never have trumpeteers at the WFCG.
 
Rockabilly

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
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Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
I'd still love to know where the money to build this fantastical super ground is going to come from, given that Everton and Spurs grounds cost about £700m and £1bn respectively.
 
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