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GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Rubics said:
City lost Ederson yesterday because the linesman didnt put his flag up for a clear off side. Second time they’ve lost a player like this after John stones. Same situation 10 mins later and the Lino puts his flag up this time!
The officiating is all over the place this season and for me it’s because of the doubt that VAR causes which undermines the refs authority.
The sooner it’s binned the better - lets have next season with no var then everyone can decide.
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This is why I popped on here today to discuss. I’ve never liked this offside thing and it has the potential to lead to injuries. But you could just about live with it if it was always the same and consistent, but of course it isn’t for whatever reason. They apply the same rules differently even within the same game. Like our game versus Villa as a prime example.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Homer is a Red said:
Never should have stood as a goal, in my opinion, and Vincent Company was understandably furious.
However, Rob Edwards thought it should stand!!!
And VAR (as a majority decision, I assume with how long it took), thought it should stand.
There in lies the problem.
Everyone's out for themselves!

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I think edwards straight after didn’t want to get drawn, but later admitted they got away with one I think.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Rubics said:
City lost Ederson yesterday because the linesman didnt put his flag up for a clear off side. Second time they’ve lost a player like this after John stones. Same situation 10 mins later and the Lino puts his flag up this time!
The officiating is all over the place this season and for me it’s because of the doubt that VAR causes which undermines the refs authority.
The sooner it’s binned the better - lets have next season with no var then everyone can decide.
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They have been told to keep the flag down and not signal for offside and allow the play to continue, if the team scores and the offside decision is wrong then the goal disallow gets reviewed by VAR and then overturned. If they don't allow play to continue and end with a goal then if it's wrong the team would claim they could have scored and should have been allowed to if they're onside.

Similar scenario to Brennan vs Leics last season where the onfield decision was offside but he went on to score and then VAR found he was onside.

It's a bit annoying in cases like this where a player's ended up injured because an offside was allowed to carry on but logical to see why
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Statto said:
They have been told to keep the flag down and not signal for offside and allow the play to continue, if the team scores and the offside decision is wrong then the goal disallow gets reviewed by VAR and then overturned. If they don't allow play to continue and end with a goal then if it's wrong the team would claim they could have scored and should have been allowed to if they're onside.

Similar scenario to Brennan vs Leics last season where the onfield decision was offside but he went on to score and then VAR found he was onside.

It's a bit annoying in cases like this where a player's ended up injured because an offside was allowed to carry on but logical to see why
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Referees are so afraid of getting it wrong though that they don't flag a guy who is like 5 yards offside and everyone in the stadium can see it.

You play on for an additional ten seconds and everyone knows it gonna be pulled back. Eventually it comes to nowt, that's ten seconds lost from the game as they never add it on in stoppage time.
 
Frank Clark’s Tash

Frank Clark’s Tash

Jack Burkitt
The usual standard issue twonk today. Bought everything Brentford were selling while being utterly inconsistent with every decision.

Special shout out to the 2 linesmen, 4th official and VAR team who all supposedly missed St. Ivan illegally moving the ball before scoring his goal.
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
Was decent but a few too many soft fouls their way, which I seem to say every game. I think we just aren't very good or a bit naive when it comes to 'winning' free kicks. We only really Yatesy doing it where as other teams have multiple players around the pitch.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I particularly liked the passage of play where a Brentford player fell over under a Danilo challenge, nothing in it. Player then writhes on the floor in pain before getting up and chasing the ball because ref hasn't given anything. Ball goes out of play and player goes back down and complains to the ref to give Danilo a yellow, and he duly obligates.

Brentford and the PGMOL in their pockets. Every time we play them.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Frank Clark’s Tash said:
The usual standard issue twonk today. Bought everything Brentford were selling while being utterly inconsistent with every decision.

Special shout out to the 2 linesmen, 4th official and VAR team who all supposedly missed St. Ivan illegally moving the ball before scoring his goal.
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This was shocking. Not only did Toney move the ball, but also moved the white spray to make it look like he hadn’t moved the ball. Cheating- pure and simple.
Nuno said that VAR wasn’t allowed to look at it.
 
Red Ray's Redlist

Red Ray's Redlist

Viv Anderson
The moving of the foam is what most grates. It shows he knows he's cheating.

Not sure why VAR can't advise the ref on that one. More likely they never even noticed than they couldn't do anything.

Most annoying is that surely a Forest player in the wall must've realised what happened and they should've been straight over to point it out and move the ball back.
 
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'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
I still put a lot of blame on the Forest defence and keeper for not sorting out the wall despite Toney moving the ball. I'm probably being a bit harsh on them but someone in the defence should have been wise enough to spot that. Having said that, it's the moving of the foam that really winds me up, it's blatant cheating. If it had gone to VAR, it wouldn't have been overturned anyway, as it would have gone against the Toney 'war hero victim' narrative.
 
oxonred

oxonred

First Team Squad
Timothy Pope said:
This was shocking. Not only did Toney move the ball, but also moved the white spray to make it look like he hadn’t moved the ball. Cheating- pure and simple.
Nuno said that VAR wasn’t allowed to look at it.
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But isn’t it serious foul play and a red card? Why can’t the FA charge the cheat like they do when other red card offences are missed?
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
A yellow for unsporting behaviour I would guess.

Equally, we shouldn’t have given them a free kick in that position.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Red Ray's Redlist said:
The moving of the foam is what most grates. It shows he knows he's cheating.

Not sure why VAR can't advise the ref on that one. More likely they never even noticed than they couldn't do anything.

Most annoying is that surely a Forest player in the wall must've realised what happened and they should've been straight over to point it out and move the ball back.
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Having watched the replay of the free kick - The wall & keeper were busy organising themselves to see Toney move the ball. Yates was questioning Turner to make sure the position was right. I couldn't see if other Forest players could see what Toney was doing, but the referee was deep in conversation with a Brentford player - wonder if that was purposely distracting him?

Forest should complain to PGMOL/EPL/FA whoever is responsible . Can't change the result, but it's a new level of cheating that gives an unfair advantage to the free kick taker.
 
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Fulchester United
Timothy Pope said:
Having watched the replay of the free kick - The wall & keeper were busy organising themselves to see Toney move the ball. Yates was questioning Turner to make sure the position was right. I couldn't see if other Forest players could see what Toney was doing, but the referee was deep in conversation with a Brentford player - wonder if that was purposely distracting him?

Forest should complain to PGMOL/EPL/FA whoever is responsible . Can't change the result, but it's a new level of cheating that gives an unfair advantage to the free kick taker.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Forest write to referees' chief over Toney goal

Nottingham Forest ask refereeing chief Howard Webb for clarification around Ivan Toney's goal in Saturday's 3-2 defeat at Brentford.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
It’s cheating and crafty from Toney, in the sense that every single player gains an advantage by throwing it forward with every single free kick!!

For me, we shouldn’t be complaining about this one and instead should be concentrating on how to line up a wall and how to defend corners.

It was right to complain about the Boly decision, but this is a bit desperate.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
'mist rollin in' said:
It’s cheating and crafty from Toney, in the sense that every single player gains an advantage by throwing it forward with every single free kick!!

For me, we shouldn’t be complaining about this one and instead should be concentrating on how to line up a wall and how to defend corners.

It was right to complain about the Boly decision, but this is a bit desperate.
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Moving the ball impacts on how well the wall is set. It was set up poorly anyway, but moving the ball gave Brentford an unfair advantage. The officials should have spotted the cheating
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
Normally you chuck it forward a yard or whatever on a free kick nowhere near the goal. When it's a shooting chance and he's moved it a yard to the side to open up that angle, it's a bit different.

It's on the ref to ensure things are taken from the correct place. It makes me laugh when there's a foul in the corner and then the kick is taken 10 yards infield.

Similarly, throw ins can be taken from wherever if you throw it backwards. Never understood that.
 
Red Ray's Redlist

Red Ray's Redlist

Viv Anderson
Talkshite have confirmed it was definitely just clever, moving the foam was also clever, and it's embarrassing anyone would complain about it.

I look forward to seeing all free kicks being moved to more advantageous position henceforth, and if they've a yard to play with just move it into the box if they're close enough.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
adam09 said:
Normally you chuck it forward a yard or whatever on a free kick nowhere near the goal. When it's a shooting chance and he's moved it a yard to the side to open up that angle, it's a bit different.

It's on the ref to ensure things are taken from the correct place. It makes me laugh when there's a foul in the corner and then the kick is taken 10 yards infield.

Similarly, throw ins can be taken from wherever if you throw it backwards. Never understood that.
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Ordinarily, in direct free kicks that close to the 18 yard box the player usually (and successfully) tries to concede a yard to help with the distance to get it 'uo and down' in the parlance. It's unusual to move it sideways, but its consistent with what normally happens.

Doesn't mean it's not cheating, but also doesn't stop it being quite normal.
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Redemption said:
Ordinarily, in direct free kicks that close to the 18 yard box the player usually (and successfully) tries to concede a yard to help with the distance to get it 'uo and down' in the parlance. It's unusual to move it sideways, but its consistent with what normally happens.

Doesn't mean it's not cheating, but also doesn't stop it being quite normal.
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So what you're saying is that it's OK to extend the spray foam that the referees put down to stop players from moving the ball?
 
Morpeth

Morpeth

John Robertson
These opinions are all well and good but when the Premier League or whoever responds to our letter they will be forced to agree with us. Whether Toney gets a punishment is irrelevant but they simply can’t say it’s fine.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Redemption said:
Personally I think it's a bit Kloppish to write a letter to PGMOL. 😳
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I think it was more about clarification of the rules surrounding Toney's actions, and particularly in light of his claim that he was allowed to move the ball.

In terms of our pathetic attempt to defend the free-kick, the lack of firm on-field leadership at that point will, I expect, be vigorously addressed by the manager at training.
 
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