Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Especially considering there is so few games as well.
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January 2024 Transfer Window
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Quntib Hollox
Jack Armstrong
Worrall and Yatesy are probably our best sellable options to help with FFP so it’s not a complete surprise.
Galaxie
A. Trialist
Constipated after Christmas and New Year?
Red Dog in a Forest
Viv Anderson
This is the way.
DizzyBala
Jack Armstrong
With Andrey Santos f***ing off, maybe consider recalling Lewis O'Brien. He's had awful luck with Boro with injuries and he's about ready to come back I think, he'd still be like 5th or 6th choice but I think he'd be alright on that basis. Think we were looking for a fee for him in the summer as well.
Same thing goes with Dennis really. He's not gunna be a starter but he's still our player and he's not playing at Başakşehir, they don't want to sign him. He can play wide as well. I don't think the quality changes much in O'Brien and Dennis for Santos and Origi if I'm honest.
If we just got ourselves a good keeper, either on loan or if we can pay a fee, permenant, I think we don't really need to sign anyone else if we bring them two back.
It's not really that we desperately need outfield players, it's more cover.
Same thing goes with Dennis really. He's not gunna be a starter but he's still our player and he's not playing at Başakşehir, they don't want to sign him. He can play wide as well. I don't think the quality changes much in O'Brien and Dennis for Santos and Origi if I'm honest.
If we just got ourselves a good keeper, either on loan or if we can pay a fee, permenant, I think we don't really need to sign anyone else if we bring them two back.
It's not really that we desperately need outfield players, it's more cover.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
If O'Brien is fit the best thing we could do with him is part swap with Hackney. No place for him here surely, given how well stocked we are in that area... Its not like we actually needed Santos.
I can see some logic in Dennis being given a shot, though I dont see it going well.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I think our "best FFP sell options" are as follows once you factor in initial purchase remaining amortisation adjustment:
1) Awoniyi (Sell for £60m+, amortised fee paid remaining ~£10m, net income £50m+)
2) MGW (Sell for c.£70m, amortised fee paid remaining ~£20m, net income £50m)
3) Yates
4) Murillo
5) Elanga
6) Toffolo
7) Worrall
8) Aina
9) Mangala
CHO makes this list and would make top five if he can stay fit and performs well.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Dennis should top that list, with Shelvey and Arter behind!
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Dennis is going to be near the bottom of the list as we're unlikely to recoup what we paid.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Its a stay of execution for Dennis then! (You're list makes sense more or less, I'm taking the piss.)
Red Dog in a Forest
Viv Anderson
We’ll be fine this rolling three year period. It’s the one ending 22/23 that might be an issue.
Worrall tops my list, then the players out of contract in 24: Aurier, Felipe, Kouyate and McKenna. That could be 10-15m.
Mangala hasn’t featured much so far. He might not fit Nuno’s plans. Could be sold for 25m?
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I'm making no judgement on the eagerness to offload or impact on squad, just a pure £ FFP value. Worral aint topping the list because we're unlikely to get more than £15m max for him I wouldn't have thought.
If you want to add in impact to squad variable then yes Worrall rises to near the top by virtue of not being in the squad much anymore. Aurier probably up there too if we can flit him off to Saudi Arabia. McKenna and Felipe don't make the list as both out of contract soon so no sale value there. Ultimately we don't really have many players who we could get good money for but who won't leave a hole in the squad, which makes sense as we're not Man City or Liverpool.
If „Financial Fair Play“ (ha!) rules are forcing teams to sell their players just to remain compliant, then it is another argument that FFP is anything but fair.
There’s a massive difference between balancing the books economically, and having to sell first-team players simply to align to an artificial financial business plan that, let’s face it, is only there to protect the so-called „Big Six“.
There’s a massive difference between balancing the books economically, and having to sell first-team players simply to align to an artificial financial business plan that, let’s face it, is only there to protect the so-called „Big Six“.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
How long have we waited for the results of City's hundreds of breaches to be heard and charged against?
Red Dog in a Forest
Viv Anderson
Yeah, I know. I was adding to the post, not arguing with it
MGW and Murillo for me, assuming they conclude this season at the same level. I think teams will be wary of Awoniyi’s injuries at the moment. Doesn’t feature enough IMO to warrant such a large fee.
Bobby The Brain
Weasel
This is my understanding too, selling and buying players now has no impact on this current potential “issue” with FFP.
It’s the damn championship tax haunting us, like a creature from the black lagoon pulling us back down.
There’s an article in the Athletic today about our transfer spending with speculation on our January approach. Can’t read it though 
it does summarise this :
That included 22 players during the summer window of 2022, for around £150million. A further seven signings arrived 12 months ago, before another hectic summer saw Forest add 13 players as they prepared for their second season in the top flight.
it does summarise this :Last three windows
Forest have invested around £250million on a total of 42 signings since their return to the Premier League.That included 22 players during the summer window of 2022, for around £150million. A further seven signings arrived 12 months ago, before another hectic summer saw Forest add 13 players as they prepared for their second season in the top flight.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
If anything a negative outcome for the 22/23 season accounts will positively impact our current position financially & give us more money to spend. I don't know why people don't understand this.
A point in general let's take a step back and look at the whole picture, our name hasn't been brought up because we are over the limit it's because experts assume we will be the closest based on our figures in the Championship & smaller limit than everyone else. Let's follow the facts not the speculation and complete guesswork.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Nothing in it that couldn't be pieced together from speculation that already exists. Maybe one or two ,club sources say we wernt targeting Martins, for example.There’s an article in the Athletic today about our transfer spending with speculation on our January approach. Can’t read it though
Last three windows
Forest have invested around £250million on a total of 42 signings since their return to the Premier League.
That included 22 players during the summer window of 2022, for around £150million. A further seven signings arrived 12 months ago, before another hectic summer saw Forest add 13 players as they prepared for their second season in the top flight.
Basically, there's not a lot of money. Nuno wants to assess the squad. Should be outgoings. Incoming might be focused on right-sided version of Murillo and a wide player.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
To be honest I am waiting for an inevitable big lawsuit in regards to FFP. It will be Bosman 2.0, the way it's enforced & structures is anti-competition. You are seeing it all over Europe with the top teams staying at the top and nobody else with the ability to compete.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
What's somewhat ironic is that the most competitive team here has apparently f**ked FFP though nothing seems to be happening!
Bobby The Brain
Weasel
Can’t they let the owners spend what they like but enforce 2 rules:
1) There can be no ”loans” from an owner to the club, any money pumped in has to be a gift.
2) Say we use FFP as a benchmark then any players bought or loaned outside of the limitations must be paid in full, including the contract (some sort of holding account).
That way the owners can do as they please but can’t leave a club with mountains of debt?
1) There can be no ”loans” from an owner to the club, any money pumped in has to be a gift.
2) Say we use FFP as a benchmark then any players bought or loaned outside of the limitations must be paid in full, including the contract (some sort of holding account).
That way the owners can do as they please but can’t leave a club with mountains of debt?