NEXT manager to get the chop 22/23 season.

eyupmeduck

eyupmeduck

Geoff Thomas
Rumour that the best manager in Europe might be out on his ear after his bizarre comments this weekend.

I hope the Saints see sense and stick with Jones, don't be rash!!!

On a more serious note, I think the Dyche move to Everton has meant a few of the obvious sackings have been delayed because he is out of circulation and there are now no relegation avoidance specialists out there.



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Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
eyupmeduck said:
Rumour that the best manager in Europe might be out on his ear after his bizarre comments this weekend.

I hope the Saints see sense and stick with Jones, don't be rash!!!

On a more serious note, I think the Dyche move to Everton has meant a few of the obvious sackings have been delayed because he is out of circulation and there are now no relegation avoidance specialists out there.



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There is plenty mate.

Big Sam, Chris Hughton, Steve Bruce. No relegations on their CV's.

All excellent fire fighters. We have seen how well CH did in keeping us up.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
eyupmeduck said:
On a more serious note, I think the Dyche move to Everton has meant a few of the obvious sackings have been delayed because he is out of circulation and there are now no relegation avoidance specialists out there.
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Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. There's no obvious stand out candidates out there with a proven track record like Dyche. Any manager appointed at this stage is likely to be someone unproven at this level, and out of work rather than currently doing well in a job.

Jones, Marsch and the like may be crap, but the likely options out there aren't much better.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
Feels like a Big Heck moment for Soton. That interview was probably intended to help but just pouring water on chip pan fire.

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Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Ashley said:
Jones, Marsch and the like may be crap, but the likely options out there aren't much better.
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I am not being funny mate but there is loads of options out there. PL is a global league, they could attract a tonne of overseas better managers than both of those.

Nathan Jones especially, can't believe they appointed him in the first place.

Neither of those clubs will want a firefighter anyway, they both have very young squads.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Rzar said:
I am not being funny mate but there is loads of options out there. PL is a global league, they could attract a tonne of overseas better managers than both of those.

Nathan Jones especially, can't believe they appointed him in the first place.
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Lots of options, but not particularly great ones for a struggling club with no transfer window to work with. No half decent manager, at home or abroad, is going to want a relegation on their CV.

Not saying that the replacements for the likes of Jones and Marsch won't be upgrades, but they most likely won't be significant ones. The optimal time to make changes was about a month ago with the transfer window to work with. Now they are fishing in the dreaded 'out of work' manager pool, and most of those are out of work for a good reason.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
There will be loads of takers. Marco Silva built his career in England based off a relegation at Hull. I am sure there are other examples.

Southampton in particular are still only 3 points from safety, any sure manager will think they can overcome that fairly easily.

If you come in, give it a good go & show you are a good coach the worst that happens is you end up with another good job somewhere else or get to bring them back from the Championship - and still have a bigger budget than every club in the world outside the Champions League latter stage finishers.

Managers are desperate for Premier League jobs nowadays.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Rzar said:
There will be loads of takers. Marco Silva built his career in England based off a relegation at Hull. I am sure there are other examples.

Southampton in particular are still only 3 points from safety, any sure manager will think they can overcome that fairly easily.

If you come in, give it a good go & show you are a good coach the worst that happens is you end up with another good job somewhere else or get to bring them back from the Championship - and still have a bigger budget than every club in the world outside the Champions League latter stage finishers.

Managers are desperate for Premier League jobs nowadays.
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It doesn't always work out that way though. The Premier League is the biggest stage in the world, but it goes both ways; a lot of managers have sunk without a trace on the back of highly publicised failures in the Premier League. No guarantee that a manager who gets relegated gets the chance to take them back up either, the sack is probably more likely.

It's a big risk at this stage for any manager with a decent reputation. I'm certainly glad we aren't in a position where we are looking for a new manager at this stage of the season, that's for sure.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
I just don't agree mate.

No manager would ever take a job again after a good job if they are constantly worried about denting their reputation. It's like when everyone said Dyche wouldn't take the Everton job. It's a Premier League job, they don't grow on trees and they are the place to be & showcase your talents.

Keylor Navas just pushed through a move to us because he wants to play in the Premier League. It would be unthinkable for any other league.

Plus, the culture in England of failure with managers is very different to overseas.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
I think if quality managers were chomping at the bit to manage a struggling club, there wouldn't be so much hesitancy amongst the clubs at the bottom to make a change. There's no logical reason to stick by these failing managers for so long if someone significantly better is waiting in the wings.

Thinking back to when Cooper was rumoured to be getting sacked earlier this season, other than Dyche the names linked to the job were absolutely appalling. When it was said that Moyes would be getting sacked if West Ham lost to Everton, Benitez was supposedly a leading candidate. As baffling as appointing Jones and O'Neil were, would they have happened if someone much better was willing to take the job?

Quality managers can usually pick and choose their jobs to some extent. Personally, I think if they were willing to take over these clubs, I'm sure they would have made their availability known and the likes of Jones would have been out on his arse weeks ago (or never appointed in the first place).
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
It's a tricky time of the year to be taking on a failing club. No chance of any players incoming, little time to change culture or style of play and a look at fixture lists may show some tough games coming up.

Of course, you would be coming to a Prem club, but chances are you might spend your first season in England in the Championship. I know managers at the top have big egos, but you need to be specially confident to take over at Soton, or Bournemouth, for instance, at the moment.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Does Jesse Marsch count? He's never been a manager. In fact he's still questioning why the 3rd & 4th quarters weren't played and thought that there should have been added time multiball because the 2nd quarter ended in a draw.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Can I also just point out that amidst this plethora of Managers that are potentially up for the chop, Mr Steve "Forest will be relegated by Xmas and he's brought too many players in" Cooper, is nowhere near that list of chancers.

Super Cooper is building it up ready to step in and catapult the reds into the void left by Man City and Chelsea when they get f**ked off into the Unibond division 1
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Rockabilly said:
NEXT? :unsure:
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I reckon football (along with world) has gone mad,Rocka.Not all sacked managers are bad.
I recall a game against Southampton at the City Ground in October 1975-we started the match in the
2nd División relegation zone (imagine the meltdown now!!).
Incidentally,we won 3-1 that day as Brian Clough gradually (and eventually quickly) turned things round.
 
Rockabilly

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Cloughie1975 said:
I reckon football (along with world) has gone mad,Rocka.Not all sacked managers are bad.
I recall a game against Southampton at the City Ground in October 1975-we started the match in the
2nd División relegation zone (imagine the meltdown now!!).
Incidentally,we won 3-1 that day as Brian Clough gradually (and eventually quickly) turned things round.
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Aye Cloughie... and to think Cooper was close to the chop after the Fester game too.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
I can't see the scouse getting rid of Klopp just yet.

They won't go down so a bad season won't effect the sale price.

FSG will leave that decision to the new owners.

Hopefully he'll struggle to solve their problems for a while longer.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

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Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Redemption said:
I can't see the scouse getting rid of Klopp just yet.

They won't go down so a bad season won't effect the sale price.

FSG will leave that decision to the new owners.

Hopefully he'll struggle to solve their problems for a while longer.
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Nobody is gonna pay their asking price for a mid table team that needs the entire team refreshing.

They should have sold last year. Now they'll be stuck in a cycle of them not investing because they are selling and nobody really committing to buying (in my opinion).

They probably realised how much money they could get with the Chelsea sale (Glazers too) but then again, Boeley has a habit for grossly overpaying for things.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
Rzar said:
Nobody is gonna pay their asking price for a mid table team that needs the entire team refreshing.

They should have sold last year. Now they'll be stuck in a cycle of them not investing because they are selling and nobody really committing to buying (in my opinion).

They probably realised how much money they could get with the Chelsea sale (Glazers too) but then again, Boeley has a habit for grossly overpaying for things.
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They'll get a buyer. Whether it meets their target remains to be seen. But in world football Liverpool is still a marquee club. Some billionaires will no doubt take the bait and waste their fortune on it.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Redemption said:
They'll get a buyer. Whether it meets their target remains to be seen. But in world football Liverpool is still a marquee club. Some billionaires will no doubt take the bait and waste their fortune on it.
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I'm not sure, I just think the price is too high even for billionaires with more money than sense.

In general, I just don't think the times of football clubs going for billions will last. There is very little logical reason for it, and if you want a vanity project then buy one in the same league at a quarter of the price.

The price Chelsea went for is ludicrous, it's a company that loses about a million quid a week.
 
Project Zeus

Project Zeus

Steve Chettle
Redemption said:
I can't see the scouse getting rid of Klopp just yet.

They won't go down so a bad season won't effect the sale price.

FSG will leave that decision to the new owners.

Hopefully he'll struggle to solve their problems for a while longer.
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Missing out on the Champions League would surely lower the price though, wouldn't it? They're not even getting the Conference League as it stands.

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