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Neco Shay Williams

Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Poor first half, was lucky not to give a goal away when he inexplicably headed a clearance back into danger. I will say though that he gets absolutely no help from Johnson through most of that half. Several times where Brennan was ball-watching as the ball was played out to Gnonto who had a one-on-one with Williams. Whether that's Johnson's defensive failings or instructional to stay up as an outlet who knows?

Neco was better second half, something about his game seems to make him prefer playing off the left.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Just watched the first half back again and he really wasn't as bad as many think. The Leeds plan looked to pump balls from central defence up towards the left back area. It resulted in the ball bouncing all over the place, Neco wasn't the only one struggling, but he stuck to it. Maybe not his best half, but not as dreadful as made out.
 
andover red

andover red

Geoff Thomas
He'll never make a FB in this league. He just doesn't have the positioning or defensive sense. Maybe he did have two players attacking him at times but even when just one he had no idea how to defend him.

Maybe he could convert to a wide player further up the park but I don't think he has enough to be a player at the top level. Sadly I think we'll sel him on for a big loss after a year or two of no improvement.
 
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The Frog

Viv Anderson
valspoodle said:
Just watched the first half back again and he really wasn't as bad as many think. The Leeds plan looked to pump balls from central defence up towards the left back area. It resulted in the ball bouncing all over the place, Neco wasn't the only one struggling, but he stuck to it. Maybe not his best half, but not as dreadful as made out.
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I don’t get that Val I am sorry. They were targeting a ball over his head and he lost his man repeatedly.

He has lots of energy but positionally he really struggles.

I don’t accept others being poor as an excuse for being poor
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
He's still young so chance to learn but losing off the shoulder runs time and time again is a fundamental problem he needs to address as a defender. If he can't do it he won't play regularly in the PL, not as a right back anyway, it's that simple
 
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The Frog

Viv Anderson
BryanRoy22 said:
He's better as a wing-back than a full-back and I think he's much better on the left than right.

I still really like him. He's learning on the job like many of the rest. Give him time.
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He was absolutely shit at wing back earlier in the season. Lots of energy so looks good o the eye but is so unproductive it is all for nothing. Hence why he has been dropped by our manager who personally wanted him.

He had not been a good buy for the money in any way.
 
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The Frog

Viv Anderson
MaxiRobriguez said:
He's still young so chance to learn but losing off the shoulder runs time and time again is a fundamental problem he needs to address as a defender. If he can't do it he won't play regularly in the PL, not as a right back anyway, it's that simple
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Spot on. Cant believe this isn’t just obvious for everyone.

17m quid right back and we are having to make him work at left wing and people think that is good is so weird
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
The Frog said:
He was absolutely shit at wing back earlier in the season. Lots of energy so looks good o the eye but is so unproductive it is all for nothing. Hence why he has been dropped by our manager who personally wanted him.

He had not been a good buy for the money in any way.
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I suggested a few weeks ago he might make a decent central midfielder. He's got a decent eye for a pass, stamina and lots of aggression which would suit a role in the pivot of a 4231 alongside a more physical player like Kouyate who can mop up alongside him.

Thing for us is we've invested well into that area of the field so there's no point for Forest to spend the effort to convert him, so he either knuckles down on his defensive liabilities to try and secure a spot in defence here or he gets moved on.
 
BryanRoy22

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
The Frog said:
He was absolutely shit at wing back earlier in the season. Lots of energy so looks good o the eye but is so unproductive it is all for nothing. Hence why he has been dropped by our manager who personally wanted him.

He had not been a good buy for the money in any way.
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I'm not sure what your expectation levels are of Williams. Some Alexander-Arnold level of quality, who let's not forget has been shit this season? (Ps. Alexander Arnold is 24)

He's 21 years of age.

He's playing in a team that's working their way up the table. You refer to earlier in the season, was any player good for Forest?

He's learning on the job. If he had scored when he went through on goal, I can guarantee you people would be talking differently about him tonight. 'Get him on the left wing more often. That's his position'. Etc 😭
 
magicwoand

magicwoand

It tizwas it is
valspoodle said:
Just watched the first half back again and he really wasn't as bad as many think. The Leeds plan looked to pump balls from central defence up towards the left back area. It resulted in the ball bouncing all over the place, Neco wasn't the only one struggling, but he stuck to it. Maybe not his best half, but not as dreadful as made out.
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There's a reason for that.
 
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NFFCMagz

Guest
BryanRoy22 said:
I'm not sure what your expectation levels are of Williams. Some Alexander-Arnold level of quality, who let's not forget has been shit this season? (Ps. Alexander Arnold is 24)

He's 21 years of age.

He's playing in a team that's working their way up the table. You refer to earlier in the season, was any player good for Forest?

He's learning on the job. If he had scored when he went through on goal, I can guarantee you people would be talking differently about him tonight. 'Get him on the left wing more often. That's his position'. Etc 😭
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Ez th'new Gareth Haybale, ah tellyer!
 
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The Frog

Viv Anderson
BryanRoy22 said:
I'm not sure what your expectation levels are of Williams. Some Alexander-Arnold level of quality, who let's not forget has been shit this season? (Ps. Alexander Arnold is 24)

He's 21 years of age.

He's playing in a team that's working their way up the table. You refer to earlier in the season, was any player good for Forest?

He's learning on the job. If he had scored when he went through on goal, I can guarantee you people would be talking differently about him tonight. 'Get him on the left wing more often. That's his position'. Etc 😭
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What are you on about? I’m saying his positioning is poor and you’re on about TAA for some reason unbeknownst to me.

My expectation is for 17m he can play right full back and he can’t. You’re celebrating him being able to run around on the left wing

In our situation and our budget he was one of our biggest outlays financially so I don’t get this ‘learning on the job’ shite.

And lastly he didn’t score, he ran through on goal and ran out of pace.
 
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Larry Lansbury

Viv Anderson
He has terrific experience which includes World Cup, development at Liverpool then in championship winning side at Fulham. But as BryanRoy he is only 21- like a lot of these players he is likely to develop as the whole team develops. I like his energy and commitment, Cooper will get him polished up and more refined-I have no doubt.
 
Bob Fossil

Bob Fossil

Nottingham's dirty secret
BryanRoy22 said:
I'm not sure what your expectation levels are of Williams. Some Alexander-Arnold level of quality, who let's not forget has been shit this season? (Ps. Alexander Arnold is 24)

He's 21 years of age.

He's playing in a team that's working their way up the table. You refer to earlier in the season, was any player good for Forest?

He's learning on the job. If he had scored when he went through on goal, I can guarantee you people would be talking differently about him tonight. 'Get him on the left wing more often. That's his position'. Etc 😭
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For £17m we needed, and expected, Premier League ready players.

He's nowhere near that yet.

Unfortunately we're not really in the position to be able to buy players with 'potential' for that long of money.
 
BryanRoy22

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
The Frog said:
What are you on about? I’m saying his positioning is poor and you’re on about TAA for some reason unbeknownst to me.

My expectation is for 17m he can play right full back and he can’t. You’re celebrating him being able to run around on the left wing

In our situation and our budget he was one of our biggest outlays financially so I don’t get this ‘learning on the job’ shite.

And lastly he didn’t score, he ran through on goal and ran out of pace.
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Then you never watched him playing football before he signed for Forest.

Because at Fulham last season, he was brilliant as a wing-back. On the right side.

He's played on left for Wales at international level and done brilliantly.

He never played regularly in the Premier League before so was only very good at Championship level. Therefore of course he's learning on the job and getting pelters, like Brennan Johnson did before he started delivering.

Just hope he proves everyone wrong. I just sense people are being too harsh on him like they were with Brennan earlier in the season.
 
Bob Fossil

Bob Fossil

Nottingham's dirty secret
BryanRoy22 said:
Then you never watched him playing football before he signed for Forest.

Because at Fulham last season, he was brilliant as a wing-back. On the right side.

He's played on left for Wales at international level and done brilliantly.

He never played regularly in the Premier League before so was only very good at Championship level. Therefore of course he's learning on the job and getting pelters, like Brennan Johnson did before he started delivering.

Just hope he proves everyone wrong. I just sense people are being too harsh on him like they were with Brennan earlier in the season.
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I love posts like this. Make my own (drunken) rants seem a bit daft.

I forget he's 21 to be honest. And what better place to be than here with Stevie & Brennan.
 
Major Oak Morgan

Major Oak Morgan

First Team Squad
I thought he would play today as serge had dropped off a bit last couple of games. i think he did ok running with Gnoto but he’s weak in the air and needs to improve defensively before getting a first team place. Thought he did ok further up too and it’s useful to be able to bring him on up there to see games out. Can see that being enough for the 25 man squad in a year or two though. Hope he continues to improve
 
Morpeth

Morpeth

John Robertson
BryanRoy22 said:
Then you never watched him playing football before he signed for Forest.

Because at Fulham last season, he was brilliant as a wing-back. On the right side.

He's played on left for Wales at international level and done brilliantly.

He never played regularly in the Premier League before so was only very good at Championship level. Therefore of course he's learning on the job and getting pelters, like Brennan Johnson did before he started delivering.

Just hope he proves everyone wrong. I just sense people are being too harsh on him like they were with Brennan earlier in the season.
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It’s almost like people enjoy slating players, which is very odd. Personally I thought Williams did ok and was positionally much much better. Also, when he went on the left he was linking well with Surridge and Ayew when they came on.
 
It's Baggio

It's Baggio

John Robertson
He struggled at times & I was very surprised he started but Gnonto will be a problem for most full backs with his strength & acceleration. Aurier did better but the change of shape helped as it was much harder for Leeds to get down the sides of our midfield.

I thought Boly was just as culpable for some of the Leeds chances in that first half.
 
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The Frog

Viv Anderson
BryanRoy22 said:
Then you never watched him playing football before he signed for Forest.

Because at Fulham last season, he was brilliant as a wing-back. On the right side.

He's played on left for Wales at international level and done brilliantly.

He never played regularly in the Premier League before so was only very good at Championship level. Therefore of course he's learning on the job and getting pelters, like Brennan Johnson did before he started delivering.

Just hope he proves everyone wrong. I just sense people are being too harsh on him like they were with Brennan earlier in the season.
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Don't be so condescending, Watching and living football is all I do.

And because I do, I know that Fulham regularly played a 4231 (even against forest) last season so they didn’t play a wing back all the time. They also did so in the league below, not the prem. I also know Marco Silva decided not to sign him because he said he wasn’t strong enough defensively to play in a back 4.

And if I am going to be honest I couldn’t give two fucks how he has done for fulham and wales. He has been crap for 17m for us
 
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The Frog

Viv Anderson
Morpeth said:
It’s almost like people enjoy slating players, which is very odd. Personally I thought Williams did ok and was positionally much much better. Also, when he went on the left he was linking well with Surridge and Ayew when they came on.
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I certainly don’t like slating anyone for forest. I’d give anything for them all to be the best in the world. But you can’t suggest anyone giving an opinion is ‘enjoying slating players’ because it is the same opinion as yours.

He is right back and got moved to left wing because he wasn’t doing enough. Making that change stopped Leeds having any chances.
 
DizzyBala

DizzyBala

Jack Armstrong
I'm not a fan of Neco's because I don't think he has enough quality offensively or defensively to justify the money we spent on him or his inclusion as a starter. I didn't go today for the first time in ages but watching it back, it felt like he was targeted first half down the left but every chances Leeds had, he seemed to be involved.

Compared to our other recent right backs, he doesn't have the physicality, experience and composure that Aurier has. He doesn't have the engine or the physicality that Cash had and he doesn't have the pace or trickery with the ball at his feet that Spence had.

You are right, he gets very little help from Johnson and in a back four, if the centre back helps him, it creates space. He was signed to be a wing-back in a 3/5 man defence and I think he probably would do better there.

He's got a lot of football left in him and I think Steve is going to continue to work with him to try and make him better but i'd be on board with moving him on in the summer.
 
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