eezzeetiger
Geoff Thomas
for a bit
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João Carvalho
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eezzeetiger
Geoff Thomas
Same thing....great kebabs
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
No one’s disputing our strategy was shit but there’s another side to this and that is Mendes taking 13m for a 2M player and then not keeping his side of the bargain and furnishing us with the sort of players that he presumably offered as a top agent. That’s verging on criminal. I’m surprised Marinakis hasn’t blown up
His bakery
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
Great kebabs yourself :hey:
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Not now obviously but Karanka wanted him and when we had him on line he was doing just as much as Carvalho. Karanka was also a manager who got the most out of him as well. Plus he would have been so much cheaper
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Just to give some background to this:-
Sammy Ameobi:- 1 contribution every 293 minutes for Forest
Joao Carvalho:- 1 contribution every 244 minutes for Forest
So Joao is more dangerous, has better technical ability and contributes more than Ameobi.
Ameobi is by far better value for money that is unquestionably true.
Still dosen’t mean Ameobi is a better footballer.
Yet one is seen as garbage and the other lauded. I think Joao has had his price tag unfairly thrown at him when in reality it’s the club fault.
What's a contribution and how is it quantified?
I'll go off my qualitative data, Ameobi is better. Ameobi was our only attacking outlet at times, we relied on him so much.
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
Turkish kebabs are better.
Caveman Ninja
Fucjin g wot karate
I agree strongly.
donny
Grenville Morris
Greek media running that hes gone to Oly.
Thomas
Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
He hasn’t been our ace for two years lmao
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
He’s on the pre-Derby training video released yesterday
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congo_red_49
Ale Ape
If it happens, I’d place an undisclosed bet on it being an undisclosed fee.
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Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
But what does he do for the other 243 minutes? Usually not a lot. Ameobi, for all his flaws, dodgy touches, and mazy runs which usually looked like he himself wasn't sure what he was doing, worked his bollocks off. He was an outlet that allowed us to get out our own half, and always did his defensive duties. I don't think Carvalho is lazy, but games pass him by. Compare him to McGugan (who was lazy and utterly frustrating) but he contributed far more frequently. If you're going to carry a player he needs to be a threat every time he's on the ball. Good luck to the lad, but I just don't think he's right for the Championship.
Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
MASE
Up-Front
I think you could close the Carvalho v Ameobi debate by summising the club never looked liked going anywhere with either in the team. To that end, does it really matter?
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
Well, sort of.
It could be argued that we are still hampered by the legacy of one's time at the club (FFP and all that), whilst the other left no legacy.
Bit boring though, isn't it?
Any Time Now
Jack Armstrong
Ameobi wasn't shit, inconsistent at times yes but shit definitely not. His last season with us was plagued with injuries yet he was still our only out ball and managed to remain half decent even in that depressing Hughton team. The season prior he racked up 5 goals and 9 assists in a team that didn't score much, seems like unfair criticism
The only reason we let him go was because his knee went bust and at his age its pretty much game over, he had a 2 year extension with his name on it prior to the injury problems
The only reason we let him go was because his knee went bust and at his age its pretty much game over, he had a 2 year extension with his name on it prior to the injury problems
MASE
Up-Front
Id forgotten how literally things can be taken. Ill retract the potentially harsh "shit" statement & replace it with "relative to what we have now, going forward, I dont think Sammy was thee answer"
Everyones shit to me if theyve left the club or achieved nowt. I'd make a crap scout.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
No totally agree with you hes proper del boyed us the little fecker.
Compared to now I agree.
I'm not sure how Ameobi needed to get dragged into it, unless it was to take an opportunistic swipe at a whipping boy.
One's gone, the other's going.
We're finally shedding some of the past mistakes.
Matt
Stuart Pearce
A shame it never worked out for him. Seemed a genuinely nice guy, talented footballer but the team was never set up specifically for him to succeed. Whether it should or should not have been is pretty elementary at this point.
Wish him the best and I hope to see him succeed.
Wish him the best and I hope to see him succeed.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Hope the guy who broke his leg at Alfreton is a massive Derby fan