The Alf Billy Davies Love-In Thread

[Haych]

We probably only stopped paying him last year so I imagine he’s still counting his money.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

I hear he's been working on a new formation to revolutionise the game.

 

[Morpeth]

We probably only stopped paying him last year so I imagine he’s still counting his money.

Billy Davies likes this post.

 

[Morpeth]

Billy Davies likes this post.

And by that I don't me, as i'm not Billy Davies.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

He's Marinakis' backup plan

 

[Master Yates]

And by that I don't me, as i'm not Billy Davies.

Obviously. If you were, you’d have said,

“And by that Billy Davies doesn’t mean Billy Davies, as Billy Davies is not Billy Davies”


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[Morpeth]

Obviously. If you were, you’d have said,

“And by that Billy Davies doesn’t mean Billy Davies, as Billy Davies is not Billy Davies”


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Don’t think I didn’t have all those combinations going through my head

 

[RedDogChris]

The most humiliating and embarrassing time to be a supporter was under his second tenure because of the whole media blackout circus and being allowed to bring in his own mates to come and run/ruin the club.

09/10 was probably one of the most enjoyable season's supporting the club until last year but Billy's politic's in the media was never too far way, no other chairman other than the completely dignified and patient late Nigel Doughty would have put up with him for 2 and a half years.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

The most humiliating and embarrassing time to be a supporter was under his second tenure because of the whole media blackout circus and being allowed to bring in his own mates to come and run/ruin the club.

09/10 was probably one of the most enjoyable season's supporting the club until last year but Billy's politic's in the media was never too far way, no other chairman other than the completely dignified and patient late Nigel Doughty would have put up with him for 2 and a half years.

Good times.

 

[Thomas]

I remember his son being in forests roster on fifa for a short moment


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[Timothy Pope]

I remember his son being in forests roster on fifa for a short moment


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Roster? Is that some kind of chicken?

 

[Finding Remo]

The whole buying Kelvin Wilson back confused me and I still don’t know the motive. A player who had his head turned by Celtic (no idea why) and was subsequently frozen out by Davies first time around and left on a free. Then Davies (a Rangers man) buys him back for nearly 3m for him to hardly feature and end up playing lower leagues.

Was it a strange Billy mind games trick or was there some method in the madness? I know he struggled with injury on his return but he always was injury prone from memory so no shock.

 

[Finding Remo]

Roster? Is that some kind of chicken?

Roster Chicken is what Italian’s say they are having for Sunday lunch I believe.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

The whole buying Kelvin Wilson back confused me and I still don’t know the motive. A player who had his head turned by Celtic (no idea why) and was subsequently frozen out by Davies first time around and left on a free. Then Davies (a Rangers man) buys him back for nearly 3m for him to hardly feature and end up playing lower leagues.

Was it a strange Billy mind games trick or was there some method in the madness? I know he struggled with injury on his return but he always was injury prone from memory so no shock.

Billy's level of genius isn't something which us mere mortals should ever even attempt to grasp. There's only so much our inferior minds and beings can handle before we self combust.

 

[Chappers85]

The whole buying Kelvin Wilson back confused me and I still don’t know the motive. A player who had his head turned by Celtic (no idea why) and was subsequently frozen out by Davies first time around and left on a free. Then Davies (a Rangers man) buys him back for nearly 3m for him to hardly feature and end up playing lower leagues.

Was it a strange Billy mind games trick or was there some method in the madness? I know he struggled with injury on his return but he always was injury prone from memory so no shock.

Wilson wasn't injury prone first time round. He played 42 games in his first season for us, then 36 and 35 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons respectively. Him and Wes were a pretty formidable partnership. From what I remember he got an injury early on in the 4th season, Chambers came in and did well so he didn't just walk back into thr team, then Celtic offered Wilson a deal as he only had 6 months left (which was the fashion at the time allowing senior players contracts to run out under Arthur and Doughty). Can't blame him really: payrise, easy chance to win silverware and play in the Champions League. I don't know why he didn't feature again that season but the rumours were that he was placed on gardening leave or he was refusing to play as he'd signed the pre-contract with Celtic.

Wilson had played 32 games for Celtic the season before Billy brought him back, so maybe it wasn't that clear he had a serious issue and was only 27/28. Billy also tried to re-sign Morgan too - Leicester weren't having any of it - so he was obviously trying to get the band back together. Again, before injury I remember Wilson and Hobbs being pretty decent together, short-lived though it was. The team got a stupid amount of long-term injuries that season, so don't know whether it was down to Billy's training methods, we had players who were ticking time-bombs or whether we were just unlucky, but it culminated in our reserve team getting thumped by the sheep. I maintain that had we kept the majority of that team fit, we'd have finished in the playoffs easy. That being said, Billy had gone off the deep end by that point and he needed to go. Although, part of me suspects that some of his antics were to try and hide what a lunatic and incompetent Fawaz was.

 

[Timothy Pope]

Billy's level of genius isn't something which us mere mortals should ever even attempt to grasp. There's only so much our inferior minds and beings can handle before we self combust.

Yet eventually it was Billy that self combusted

 

[Finding Remo]

The best part was the video recording equipment in that little outhouse. I wonder what he keeps in there now?! Oh and remember when he accused Nigel Clough of kneeing him must’ve felt the breeze over the top of his head, only Mini Me from Austin Powers has knees low enough to hit him.

 

[Robert Learnshaw]

Wilson wasn't injury prone first time round. He played 42 games in his first season for us, then 36 and 35 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons respectively. Him and Wes were a pretty formidable partnership. From what I remember he got an injury early on in the 4th season, Chambers came in and did well so he didn't just walk back into thr team, then Celtic offered Wilson a deal as he only had 6 months left (which was the fashion at the time allowing senior players contracts to run out under Arthur and Doughty). Can't blame him really: payrise, easy chance to win silverware and play in the Champions League. I don't know why he didn't feature again that season but the rumours were that he was placed on gardening leave or he was refusing to play as he'd signed the pre-contract with Celtic.

Wilson had played 32 games for Celtic the season before Billy brought him back, so maybe it wasn't that clear he had a serious issue and was only 27/28. Billy also tried to re-sign Morgan too - Leicester weren't having any of it - so he was obviously trying to get the band back together. Again, before injury I remember Wilson and Hobbs being pretty decent together, short-lived though it was. The team got a stupid amount of long-term injuries that season, so don't know whether it was down to Billy's training methods, we had players who were ticking time-bombs or whether we were just unlucky, but it culminated in our reserve team getting thumped by the sheep. I maintain that had we kept the majority of that team fit, we'd have finished in the playoffs easy. That being said, Billy had gone off the deep end by that point and he needed to go. Although, part of me suspects that some of his antics were to try and hide what a lunatic and incompetent Fawaz was.

Good points,

One thing I don't remember is it ever being THAT bad with the media. It seemed to me like all the press reports, media blackout etc all came out after Billy left, like they could finally say something. At the time, it honestly felt to me like the focus was all on the football, was it not the same for you guys?

Yes Jim Price was in the club and we had the twitter Q and A's but I never thought, "Wow, this is a circus, he needs go". For his second spell the way I saw it was he came in, he wanted to reduce media appearances and there were post-match press conferences as opposed to behind the scenes access. We had a steady run to the end of the season and then had a steady season the next year playing some good stuff, had some bad injuries and went on a slight bad run and had a bad result v Derby and that was that but never felt like a Circus...

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Wilson wasn't injury prone first time round. He played 42 games in his first season for us, then 36 and 35 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons respectively. Him and Wes were a pretty formidable partnership. From what I remember he got an injury early on in the 4th season, Chambers came in and did well so he didn't just walk back into thr team, then Celtic offered Wilson a deal as he only had 6 months left (which was the fashion at the time allowing senior players contracts to run out under Arthur and Doughty). Can't blame him really: payrise, easy chance to win silverware and play in the Champions League. I don't know why he didn't feature again that season but the rumours were that he was placed on gardening leave or he was refusing to play as he'd signed the pre-contract with Celtic.

Wilson had played 32 games for Celtic the season before Billy brought him back, so maybe it wasn't that clear he had a serious issue and was only 27/28. Billy also tried to re-sign Morgan too - Leicester weren't having any of it - so he was obviously trying to get the band back together. Again, before injury I remember Wilson and Hobbs being pretty decent together, short-lived though it was. The team got a stupid amount of long-term injuries that season, so don't know whether it was down to Billy's training methods, we had players who were ticking time-bombs or whether we were just unlucky, but it culminated in our reserve team getting thumped by the sheep. I maintain that had we kept the majority of that team fit, we'd have finished in the playoffs easy. That being said, Billy had gone off the deep end by that point and he needed to go. Although, part of me suspects that some of his antics were to try and hide what a lunatic and incompetent Fawaz was.

Good post.

Honestly I think Billy did well that season, and it makes me laugh that people slag Fawaz off left, right and center for all other seasons, but then during the Davies 2nd spell Fawaz suddenly becomes the perfect owner who didn't hinder Davies at all lol.

My take is that Davies came here knowing he had to get Forest up and went all in to do so. He pushed these players to their max, and rightly so because the squad wasn't a top 6 one (it was decent enough, but when you've players like Collins & Cox which you have to rely on, you're an outside bet at best).

I think Billy did that pushing under the illusion that in Jan he was gonna land players like Austin & Leadbitter who were long term targets for him, so injuries would be less of an issue. Instead he got forced to take the likes of Djebour & Abdoun (pretty similar to Lamouchi's situation)

Had Fawaz been a half decent owner I think we'd have gone up, but he did a Marthur and pulled the rug from under the plan mid-season with crap backing. The media circus was daft, Billy made way too many enemies, but from a footballing perspective that was all avoidable had he not been forced to take crap players in Jan instead of better ones.

 

[lavelleuk]

The whole buying Kelvin Wilson back confused me and I still don’t know the motive. A player who had his head turned by Celtic (no idea why) and was subsequently frozen out by Davies first time around and left on a free. Then Davies (a Rangers man) buys him back for nearly 3m for him to hardly feature and end up playing lower leagues.

Was it a strange Billy mind games trick or was there some method in the madness? I know he struggled with injury on his return but he always was injury prone from memory so no shock.

Wilson said on a podcast that Davies was very supportive of him first time round

I forget details but I'm sure doughty kept screwing him around on new contract and Wilson implied it was him who told Davies not to play him again when he missed a game as a precaution

Someone might remember better than me but he was full of praise for Davies

As someone else said, Hobbs and Wilson looked great to start, Hobbs genuinely looked like one of the best centre backs I'd seen at Forest before his injury

As for the injuries wasn't in the Evening Post, Taylor? Who ran a huge backpage news story about how Forest were going to do a full investigation of Davies training methods and thr training ground etc. To find out why we got so many injuries....then months later on an online Q&A got asked wgat the results were and he briefly mentioned the investigation showed we were just unlucky lol

 

[Rockabilly]

I've watched all the Chipper's interviews with ex players and a few more podcasts with ex players, and not one single player had a bad word to say about Davies. In fact most were full of praise.

 

[Robbie Earnshaw]

Didn't Billy decide that he would not do his post match interviews after the game, but would do them pre game instead? This completely baffled the press.

 

[lavelleuk]

Didn't Billy decide that he would not do his post match interviews after the game, but would do them pre game instead? This completely baffled the press.

So this is pure speculation on my part, but also based on interviews with guys like Lee camp

But I always saw that stuff as making the press focus on him, taking pressure off the players.

Didn't he do that before the must-win Leicester game last game of the season? And announced days in advance so that's all people spoke about?

 

[Gyros Peter]

Hmm, I remember things slightly differently - refused to do post matches, refused to talk to certain sections of the press (radio notts being one of them iirc), recorded the journalists at all pre-match post-match pressers, barnie's with cameramen at the ground, accusations made to local reporters...

Then there was the nepotism - fell out with various folk around the club at the levels below first team as he wanted f&f on contracts at the club, had his brother in law on the 'FFP won't stand up in practice' CEO gig, his son (who was shit) at full back for the reserves...

Billy was a decent manager, but the level of paranoia (and idiocy) second time around was several levels above rational, hence probably why he hasn't had a job since.

Yes he drilled his players well and created that us v them thing that lots bought into, but I'd suggest that also lead to his decline - think the levels of paranoia and his responses to it finished his time with us as well as his career. It's rare for a decent manager to go so long without a job, and you can only really look at what happened in his last gig as to why he suddenly became untouchable.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Hmm, I remember things slightly differently - refused to do post matches, refused to talk to certain sections of the press (radio notts being one of them iirc), recorded the journalists at all pre-match post-match pressers, barnie's with cameramen at the ground, accusations made to local reporters...

Then there was the nepotism - fell out with various folk around the club at the levels below first team as he wanted f&f on contracts at the club, had his brother in law on the 'FFP won't stand up in practice' CEO gig, his son (who was shit) at full back for the reserves...

Billy was a decent manager, but the level of paranoia (and idiocy) second time around was several levels above rational, hence probably why he hasn't had a job since.

Yes he drilled his players well and created that us v them thing that lots bought into, but I'd suggest that also lead to his decline - think the levels of paranoia and his responses to it finished his time with us as well as his career. It's rare for a decent manager to go so long without a job, and you can only really look at what happened in his last gig as to why he suddenly became untouchable.

Old age will do that to you. Fish oils and coconut oil for memory problems.