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[MaxiRobriguez]

I don't think its that simple. I think with 2 or 3 players only signed he will have have what he needs to have us seriously competing in the league.

Can we please not get ahead of ourselves for the third season in a row? Talk of seriously competing is nuts, the squad is unbalanced and chocked full of shit currently, can't be fixed the easily.

We'll need at least four players to complete the squad (left back, two wingers, striker) and that's before any upgrades in positions we're well stocked in.

And if we manage to do that and trim the squad well at the same time, we're still only going to be aiming for mid table best.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

I want Nuno out as well next season but this Cooper stuff about being more solid needs to be addressed. I cant find any metric that has Cooper out on top this season and Cooper got to play Sheff U, Burnley and Luton at home. To me thats quite damning on Coops considering how bad Nuno has been

	PPG	How many Games	Scored average	Conceded Average	Average xGF	Average xGA
Steve Cooper	0.82​	14​	1​	1.76​	1.1​	1.51​
Nuno Esprito Santos	1​	19​	1.47​	1.73​	1.4​	1.22​

 

[Bohinens_chip]

Can we please not get ahead of ourselves for the third season in a row? Talk of seriously competing is nuts, the squad is unbalanced and chocked full of shit currently, can't be fixed the easily.

We'll need at least four players to complete the squad (left back, two wingers, striker) and that's before any upgrades in positions we're well stocked in.

And if we manage to do that and trim the squad well at the same time, we're still only going to be aiming for mid table best.

It's not chock full of shit though is it. Its actually a decent premier league squad with peripheral players out on loan.

Seriously compete in the league doesn't mean competing FOR it. Perhaps credibly competing in the league is better. Mid table is probably the step for this squad of players

But what is needed to get to that is to slow the recruitment train down and let players actually bed into a pattern. In my opinion

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Losing Coops was a sad day and Nuno to me was a continuity candidate instead of a an actual change candidate which is what we are crying out for. However Coops at the start of this season had lost the plot. It was like he had no faith in the playing squad what so ever.

 

[Larry Lansbury]

It's simple enough for me.

We've got worse under Nuno, staying up (probably) because it's the worst bottom three in living memory.

We can't defend, our midfield was non existent first half and game could have been over if Sheffield United could put the ball in the back of the net.

We are a bunch of powderpuff fannies. Sheff Utd average height must have been about 5'9 but we made them look like giants.

I'm all for continuity but only when it makes sense. It didn't under Hughton, it doesn't under Nuno. We will go down next year if we don't change something fairly drastically.

Can’t remember Utd threatening from set pieces or crosses. We scored from set piece and hit bar from cross. The issues weren’t us being power puff, it was their forwards movement and us not have our midfield shielding and shutting down passing lines.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Our squad has quality but lacks depth and is terribly unbalanced. Squad has major issues but it can be fixed quite easily. I dont actually think we need to get many first teamers in.

Our recruitment team need to give their heads a serious wobble next year in terms of balance. Its so simple just have a spreadsheet for each position for your desired tactic. Than make sure you have 2 names in every position come August. Make sure those 2 names are specialised in those positions and dont have multiple players covering multiple positions. Than make sure the replacement in that said position is the same profile. So the replacements for Elanga and CHO need to have pace and not be Reyna and Origi How could we end up with 7 full backs at one point and only 2 wingers. That is shite squad building.

 

[Ashley]

I don't think its that simple. I think with 2 or 3 players only signed he will have have what he needs to have us seriously competing in the league.

A complete circus with players coming in from all directions will make his job harder and could derail that.

Agreed. Whoever is manager next season, I don't want to see a situation where we are signing a new squad again.

I'm hoping for a summer where we only bring in 4-5 new players (excluding replacing any key players we may sell, of course). There's potential in this squad and we should work on developing it over pre-season rather than having to try and integrate 10+ new players again.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I want Nuno out as well next season as well but this Cooper stuff about being more solid needs to be addressed. I cant find any metric that has Cooper out on top this season and Cooper got to play Sheff U, Burnley and Luton at home. To me thats quite damning on Coops considering how bad Nuno has been

	PPG	How many Games	Scored average	Conceded Average	Average xGF	Average xGA
Steve Cooper	0.82​	14​	1​	1.76​	1.1​	1.51​
Nuno Esprito Santos	1​	19​	1.47​	1.73​	1.4​	1.22​

Anyone viewing that without the context that Cooper had Turner & Vlach in net, and Nuno has Sels, has no hope.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

It's not chock full of shit though is it. Its actually a decent premier league squad with peripheral players out on loan.

Seriously compete in the league doesn't mean competing FOR it. Perhaps credibly competing in the league is better. Mid table is probably the step for this squad of players

This squad is on track to get fewer points than last year's team.

We are not very good. In any other season we would be going down. There is almost no chance we finish mid table next year without serious investment.

I can't believe after everything this season people *still* think this squad is almost mid table worthy.

 

[Project Zeus]

It's called second season syndrome for a reason, and we've had it harder than most, given our 23 years away and the points deduction this year, not to mention the PGMOL drama.

It'll still take a couple more years of building before we can realistically think of comfortable mid-table or top half finishes, but I think we can do 14th-16th next season without any serious relegation threat.

I doubt the Big Man will be happy with that, but that will likely depend on what he's able to spend this summer.

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[MaxiRobriguez]

It's called second season syndrome for a reason, and we've had it harder than most, given our 23 years away and the points deduction this year, not to mention the PGMOL drama.

It'll still take a couple more years of building before we can realistically think of comfortable mid-table or top half finishes, but I think we can do 14th-16th next season.

I doubt the Big Man will be happy with that, but that will likely depend on what he's able to spend this summer.

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I'll say it early but would be delighted with 17th again next year.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Can we please not get ahead of ourselves for the third season in a row? Talk of seriously competing is nuts, the squad is unbalanced and chocked full of shit currently, can't be fixed the easily.

We'll need at least four players to complete the squad (left back, two wingers, striker) and that's before any upgrades in positions we're well stocked in.

And if we manage to do that and trim the squad well at the same time, we're still only going to be aiming for mid table best.

For me, not having to worry about relegation with five games to go would represent progress. As lacking in ambition as it sounds anything else would be a huge bonus.

I think squad wise we are very weak in depth, and while I love some of our first 11 I expect a couple of the best will move on and we'll have to change our setup.

Another year of consolidation and moving the squad forward for a more ambitious push the following year.

Just doesn't feel like we can push on that quickly from where we are right now, since currently we're only ever an injury away from being f**ked. With the financial thing I can't see us fixing that in a window or two.

 

[Gyros Peter]

While @Project Zeus , @MaxiRobriguez and I may lack AMBITION we are it seems on the same page.

 

[Shearstone]

Just saw this post on reddit. The Premier League table in 2024, includes our points deduction for some bizarre reason and obviously calendar year metrics don't mean much but does provide a stark look at our lack of improvement this season. You add back our points and we're the same as Burnley and just 2 points better off than Luton.

Also looks pretty bad for Moyes.

 

[JonnoSnr]

It's not chock full of shit though is it. Its actually a decent premier league squad with peripheral players out on loan.

Seriously compete in the league doesn't mean competing FOR it. Perhaps credibly competing in the league is better. Mid table is probably the step for this squad of players

But what is needed to get to that is to slow the recruitment train down and let players actually bed into a pattern. In my opinion

Agree with that. I don't think our squad is necessarily weaker than at least 6/7 teams in the league.

The issue lies with stability for me. Are Brentford/Everton/Palace etc starting line ups that different from last season? There may be 2/3 changes but it's not wholesale. Ours changes massively within 1 season and that's what needs to change. If you compare our starting XI in the 2 games vs Sheff Utd this season there are only 3 players in both teams, Danilo, Boly and Gibbs-White. That can't continue if we are to have any hope of moving up the league a bit.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Anyone viewing that without the context that Cooper had Turner & Vlach in net, and Nuno has Sels, has no hope.

That is ridiculous Alf. It truly is, Turner started off with Nuno and sels didn’t come in until January the 31st. Plus I know turner was bad but that would only explain the goals conceded stat which is similar and not the expected goals against. You are deliberately making it a far bigger thing that it is in my opinion.

Cooper also had Wood but played him as a deep lying striker and put our best player and talisman who is a number 10 on the wing. He also had a side that dropped deep all the time even against sides we were better than. I love coops but the way he started the season was baffling.

 

[RedRich]

I don't disagree. But I wasn't only thinking in terms of results: O'Driscoll might have gone on to be great, if he hadn't been shafted and the Hobbit hadn't had a 'mare (I forget the game); Sabri brought back the love, even if it didn't end well. And, for all his faults, Calderwood did get us back into the Championship.

Edit: As usual, I'm a bit pissed and had, somehow, managed to forget all about Dave Bassett!

Paul hart & playoffs?

 

[mysteryduck]

I'm not bowled over by Nuno, but the problem as ever is who would be an upgrade? That German fella who was apparently at the City Ground the other week doesn't have an amazing record.

Moyes is leaving West Ham and would almost certainly do a decent job for us, but don't know if he'd want it.

Potter is available but again don't know he'd want it or that he'd do well.

 

[Thomas]

Rather we continue with stability


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[Mr. Blonde]

Who could we get in who'd be better?

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

That is ridiculous Alf. It truly is, Turner started off with Nuno and sels didn’t come in until January the 31st. Plus I know turner was bad but that would only explain the goals conceded stat which is similar and not the expected goals against. You are deliberately making it a far bigger thing that it is in my opinion.

Cooper also had Wood but played him as a deep lying striker and put our best player and talisman who is a number 10 on the wing. He also had a side that dropped deep all the time even against sides we were better than. I love coops but the way he started the season was baffling.

No Emmo, what's ridiculous is someone thinking that a handful of games with a poor keeper selection equates to having to use them for almost half a season

Wood's never been able to do anything about the goals we were leaking at the back. He's a forward.

 

[magicwoand]

No Emmo, what's ridiculous is someone thinking that a handful of games with a poor keeper selection equates to having to use them for almost half a season

Wood's never been able to do anything about the goals we were leaking at the back. He's a forward.

The goals we where leaking at the start of the season wasn’t down to goalkeeping howlers.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Without the deduction (something which wasn't on the horizon when he was hired), we'd be safe already and Nuno would have done his job.

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[Statto]

The goals we where leaking at the start of the season wasn’t down to goalkeeping howlers.

If the keeper is nowhere near the shot as it goes in and doesn't look like he's made any attempt to get to it and save it, is that a howler?

(See also: goals we conceded with OV in net)

 

[The Frog]

Rather we continue with stability


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I am not sure how much difference it would make. Part of the problem is we have no style of play or consistent team selection.

Nuno needs to deliver that or leave. So far I have seen very little to give me confidence he can do that