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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

Future of the WFCG? What‘s your preference?

  • Current site - just replace the BC and PT stands

    Votes: 201 60.9%

  • Current site, demolish the existing stadium and build a new one (with ground share during works)

    Votes: 101 30.6%

  • New Stadium further down the River Trent

    Votes: 25 7.6%

  • New Stadium out-of-town

    Votes: 11 3.3%

  • New Stadium in the city centre (Eastside option)

    Votes: 34 10.3%

  • Do nothing and stay as it is with 30k max capacity

    Votes: 9 2.7%

  • Other (I will tell you in the comments)

    Votes: 5 1.5%
  • Total voters
    330
Red Ray's Redlist said:
They built the sluice gates, at Colwick and re-routed the river, in the 50s as a consequence of the 1947 floods.

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This guys channel is brilliant by the way. Hope he never stops making videos around Nottingham. We as a city are lucky to have a creator like this.

It is a very niche channel, I always make sure to comment & like to justify him continuing to do videos on the area.
 
Rzar said:
This guys channel is brilliant by the way. Hope he never stops making videos around Nottingham. We as a city are lucky to have a creator like this.

It is a very niche channel, I always make sure to comment & like to justify him continuing to do videos on the area.
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Great channel and videos! Thanks for sharing.
 
Tnewton_1988 said:
Tbh in 20/30 years the nearest the water came to the city ground was the floods of 2000. Yes the water does get high, but nowhere near to be a danger to people. I’m surprised anything gets built in this country.
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“I’m surprised anything gets built in this country”

It doesn’t 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - or if it does, it’s 30 years later and 10 times the original cost. If only we didn’t “gold plate” rules, regulation, and law in this country…

I’m surprised there isn’t a shrine on every street corner to the gods of “process” and “red tape/regulation” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This country is broken (especially in Planning terms and not building anything).
 
sammy the snake said:
I’ve been guilty of entertaining the idea of a move but I walked over Trent Bridge this morning. It’s stunning, and holds such a special location it would be criminal to move away from here. Well done to Forest for listening and sticking throughout this process. The beneficiaries will be our kids
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With the sun shinning or the floodlights on, it really is an iconic view. And, will look so much better with a shiny new stand.

I walked over TB a few weeks back, and there were two South African tourists taking photos. I bet they didn't head around to Meadow Lane afterwards.
 
sammy the snake said:
I’ve been guilty of entertaining the idea of a move but I walked over Trent Bridge this morning. It’s stunning, and holds such a special location it would be criminal to move away from here. Well done to Forest for listening and sticking throughout this process. The beneficiaries will be our kids
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Well said Sammy.

I'd add that you can't buy the experience of walking across TB on a Autumn/Winter night when the floodlights are on.

I still remember after the lights were initially installed in the Summer of 1961, it wasn't until a couple of months into the season when the dark nights arrived that the effect could be really appreciated. It was a magical sight that still impacts me when I make that journey now.

Living south of the river certainly has its attractions, but not experiencing that walk across the bridge on a matchnight is a bit of a downside to living there in my opinion if you're a Forest fan.
 
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Mr H said:
“I’m surprised anything gets built in this country”

It doesn’t 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - or if it does, it’s 30 years later and 10 times the original cost. If only we didn’t “gold plate” rules, regulation, and law in this country…

I’m surprised there isn’t a shrine on every street corner to the gods of “process” and “red tape/regulation” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This country is broken (especially in Planning terms and not building anything).
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I do understand the frustration with the planning process. Applications take far too long and cost applicants a lot of money. But there would be serious negative consequences if it didn’t exist and developers could do whatever they wanted. Most things people describe as red tape are actually important regulations to protect people, our heritage and the environment.

I work for one of the big construction companies and I can assure you that plenty of things get built. And I have no doubt that Forest will get planning permission for the redevelopment very soon.
 
reddog8000 said:
With the sun shinning or the floodlights on, it really is an iconic view. And, will look so much better with a shiny new stand.

I walked over TB a few weeks back, and there were two South African tourists taking photos. I bet they didn't head around to Meadow Lane afterwards.
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30 years on and even now if I park south of the river I make a point of hitting a boozer further north for my one shandy just so I can walk back over trent bridge.

IMO the walk over is best this time of year too as the trees in bloom mean you don't get the ground swinging into view until you're over the river and it hits much better.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, moving the ground is the red-line. Do what you must to realise your particular ambition but never cross it.

It borders on philosophical for me and goes straight to the heart of what constitutes Nottingham Forest. Similar to the Milinda Panha.

Players, owners, investors, managers, even supporters come and go and have (in most cases) no affiliation to what we are as a club beyond their brief journey through. Shit, most years I've looked at the shirt and thought 'that's not the right red', and that's before we all engage in the annual debate around the colour of the away kit.

I know we've moved before but the ground we play on now is the closest thing we have to the enduring...and things must endure if they are to have any meaning at all.
 
Fitzcarraldo said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, moving the ground is the red-line. Do what you must to realise your particular ambition but never cross it.

It borders on philosophical for me and goes straight to the heart of what constitutes Nottingham Forest. Similar to the Milinda Panha.
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I was just saying the same to my mate last week down the pub this is our milinda panha.

No I didn't copy it to google and read the wiki entry - what do you think that I am some thick derby county philistine. You want a fight?
 
Another aspect to the flooding risk is what is happening further up the Trent. So, around Willington they’ve created wetlands which thy had beavers brought in to help with. The result is a better river system that allows more of the river to flow and stop flooding. This is also the case around Shardlow and on into Attenborough. There is a strong focus on creating wetlands in the Trent corridor which will not only be beneficial to wildlife but also natures way of preventing upstream floods.
 
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Red Ray's Redlist said:
They built the sluice gates, at Colwick and re-routed the river, in the 50s as a consequence of the 1947 floods.

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like others have said that video is fantastic (as are their similar one about Shelford and the Trent and the navigation bridge).

But I'm not really sure how diverting the Trent at Colwick (unless it was slowing down flow upstream) and especially the sluice (because I'm assuming that controls flow by holding water behind it) stops Nottingham flooding, as opposed to having an effect downstream. A sluice would need to be somewhere like Attenborough to control water going past Nottm, though the flood defences on that stretch probably help with that anyway.

Either way I can't see how building a larger stand where there is already one would have a flood impact...
 
Some new comments on the application regarding lighting on Colwick Rd, with evidence that could mean a revision of plans is required if taken seriously.

Lots of stuff coming though now which could push back any decision.
 
bearwood red said:
I do understand the frustration with the planning process. Applications take far too long and cost applicants a lot of money. But there would be serious negative consequences if it didn’t exist and developers could do whatever they wanted. Most things people describe as red tape are actually important regulations to protect people, our heritage and the environment.

I work for one of the big construction companies and I can assure you that plenty of things get built. And I have no doubt that Forest will get planning permission for the redevelopment very soon.
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“Most things people describe as red tape are actually important regulations to protect people, our heritage and the environment”

Thank you for your reply.

I shouldn’t have used the words “red tape” as it trivialises the negative myriad unintended consequences of over regulation (what is in the quoted text above) -what economists call “opportunity costs” or the opportunities or choices lost due to excessive and crushing regulation.

I would, however, fundamentally disagree with the section of text I quoted. While the intentions are good, the outcomes are negative and wholly disproportionate to the aims and can be seen in the broken Planning system or government generally.

It needs ripping up, swathes of unnecessary regulation being deleted, and a more positive, pro growth planning framework adopted as in mainland Europe. It can be done but there is no political or intellectual will to do so.

I look at the quoted text and don’t see happy, benign, outcomes, I am afraid.
 
Fitzcarraldo said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, moving the ground is the red-line. Do what you must to realise your particular ambition but never cross it.

It borders on philosophical for me and goes straight to the heart of what constitutes Nottingham Forest. Similar to the Milinda Panha.

Players, owners, investors, managers, even supporters come and go and have (in most cases) no affiliation to what we are as a club beyond their brief journey through. Shit, most years I've looked at the shirt and thought 'that's not the right red', and that's before we all engage in the annual debate around the colour of the away kit.

I know we've moved before but the ground we play on now is the closest thing we have to the enduring...and things must endure if they are to have any meaning at all.
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I 100% agree with this sentiment. It’s existential for me too and I would be going to whatever new ground there was (it would be crap) through very gritted teeth, if I actually went. So many clubs, medium and small have sold their souls to the developers (mostly for no apparent long term benefit).
 
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