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Future of the WFCG? What‘s your preference?

  • Current site - just replace the BC and PT stands

    Votes: 200 61.9%

  • Current site, demolish the existing stadium and build a new one (with ground share during works)

    Votes: 99 30.7%

  • New Stadium further down the River Trent

    Votes: 24 7.4%

  • New Stadium out-of-town

    Votes: 9 2.8%

  • New Stadium in the city centre (Eastside option)

    Votes: 34 10.5%

  • Do nothing and stay as it is with 30k max capacity

    Votes: 9 2.8%

  • Other (I will tell you in the comments)

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Total voters
    323
I'm Red Till Dead

I'm Red Till Dead

Stuart Pearce
Osiris said:
It'll be Lambrini or Babycham knowing Forest
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I'd love a Babycham.

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(For anyone who remembers the ads)
 
Lady Penelope

Lady Penelope

Viv Anderson
Homes England are assembling a development scheme for the riverside area between Lady Bay Bridge and the Meadow Lane ground. I wouldn't be surprised if "transport"and "infrastructure' linked to the development of the Trent Sporting Quarter form a major element of that. A footbridge to Meadow Lane, which is the likely nearest tram stop when the extension gets built, would be superb and would really ease the congestion. It would be very expensive, and take years to get the OK, but you have to have dreams .....
 
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Mr H

Viv Anderson
andyd said:
The thing is though Dizzy it isn’t the extra bums on seats that make the renovations needed, it’s the commercial revenue. Having proper hospitality facilities for the expensive seats and 7 day a week facilities are what will drive revenue, right now our offerings in both are an embarrassment. I we don’t believe/trust that prices might drop but I do think, when there are thousands of empty seats at £70 a pop, prices will adjust to a level that fills a bigger stadium. They can’t not, especially as Marinakis has shown he isn’t someone who will cut off his nose to spite his face. The club would figure it out price wise in a way that gets bums on seats, but the biggest uplift from the renovation will be the wider financial impact 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

Edit: And I know we aren’t a club that will sell thousands of inflated corporate seats in the way a London club can, but at the same time the offerings are so poor right now that most companies wouldn’t give it a second thought. They will in future if it’s done properly.
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Well said: corporate and hospitality revenue is key in any revamped stadium.

As well as not locking out the next generation of Forest fans and, following the law of unintended consequences, boosting Notts County’s attendances by default by having too small a stadium.
 
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Mr H

Viv Anderson
DizzyBala said:
That we're seven years down the line at this point and the closest we've got to any construction is some shipping containers.

The expansion, to me, is quite clearly contingent upon the club being on an upward trajectory AND the indication that if they add the extra seats they will be regularly filled.

I'm of the opinion that if we'd got into the Champions League last summer or won the Europa League to get into the Champions League this summer, progress would have happened a lot faster.
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Sorry, quite incorrect, as you seem to think that Forest have all of the agency, power, and control, and can just click their fingers and hey presto, a new stadium appears.

Forest are in the middle of a bureaucratic swamp, trying to navigate our nightmarish, Byzantine, and not fit for purpose planning law (just look at European neighbours for how a sane, pro-growth, non-gold plated legal and planning system works) which by its very nature takes years to get anything done and valorises bureaucratic process and objections rather than actually building anything.

I hope, really hope, that Forest escape the planning swamp and gain planning consent and find firm ground but it is emphatically not the club’s fault that progress has been so slow and the notion they could magically speed up progress is not realistic.
 
YellowBelly Red

YellowBelly Red

Jack Armstrong
Trents said:
I must have missed this. what tram extension is this? I've seen talk of extending out from the city but not within the current routes.
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East Midlands Mayor, Claire Ward, mentioned something the other week. Feasiblity study, to extend to Trent Bridge and Rushcliffe.
 
I'm Red Till Dead

I'm Red Till Dead

Stuart Pearce
Lady Penelope said:
Homes England are assembling a development scheme for the riverside area between Lady Bay Bridge and the Meadow Lane ground. I wouldn't be surprised if "transport"and "infrastructure' linked to the development of the Trent Sporting Quarter form a major element of that. A footbridge to Meadow Lane, which is the likely nearest tram stop when the extension gets built, would be superb and would really ease the congestion. It would be very expensive, and take years to get the OK, but you have to have dreams .....
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I don't suppose that extending the tram system would lead to the need for a new tram shed to be built at Meadow Lane necessitating Notts County to need a new location for their ground? 😜
 
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Mr H

Viv Anderson
bearwood red said:
The boat club objections are a side issue and will be dealt with through planning conditions, because in the overall planning balance, their concerns are outweighed by the benefits of development.

The big issue is, and always has been traffic and parking. I have no knowledge of what’s going on behind the scenes, but I would imagine that traffic is the main issue and therefore the main area of focus I thought the club and their advisers made an OKish attempt to address this in their proposed transport plan, but it did have the feel of being aspirational rather than realistic. I am sceptical that it addresses the increase in capacity and not surprised the council and highways authority are as well.

To be fair, we all know what it’s like with 30,000. We want to eventually add another 22,000 so you can understand why NCC and RBC need to be satisfied that this isn’t going to create gridlock for hours every matchday.

I am confident they will get there eventually because that’s what all the key interested parties want to happen. But it is a frustratingly slow process.
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“We want to eventually add another 22,000 so you can understand why NCC and RBC need to be satisfied that this isn’t going to create gridlock for hours every matchday”

I don’t think this is fair or realistic or even reasonable from the local councils.

A traffic gridlock after matches is a given.

Every single Wembley stadium event is gridlock for upto 14 hours per event, due to multiple road closures, and this affects the wider Wembley area and even impacts the North Circular.

It is accepted because it is London: why cannot we have the same mindset in the Midlands?

I’m working the playoff final tomorrow and it will be carnage for the local residents and only a fool would drive close to a major Wembley event but, unfortunately, that’s the price for living next to a major stadium: same with the City ground.
 
Steve B

Steve B

John Robertson
not sure I fully understand the traffic congestion thing here in relation to West Bridgford. If we increase from 30k to 50k that’s a big increase in people walking to and from the ground (and spending money), but I’m not convinced the expected increase in cars will be felt in west bridgford or anywhere near it. Personally I’d be parking well away from the ground and walking in and I’d expect most other people would. You’d be mad not to. Traffic coming into the city might be affected but I don’t expect much to change around the ground itself.
I might pop into the Council Highways office and have a word.
 
Strummer

Strummer

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LTLF Minion
Cloughie1975 said:
I thought martini was ‘any time any place anywhere’.

An old work colleague of mine had a girlfriend he called martini.
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Martini was indeed that slogan.

I also remember the Cinzano adverts with Joan Collins inevitably getting a Cinzano poured over her whilst sunbathing.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Lady Penelope said:
Homes England are assembling a development scheme for the riverside area between Lady Bay Bridge and the Meadow Lane ground. I wouldn't be surprised if "transport"and "infrastructure' linked to the development of the Trent Sporting Quarter form a major element of that. A footbridge to Meadow Lane, which is the likely nearest tram stop when the extension gets built, would be superb and would really ease the congestion. It would be very expensive, and take years to get the OK, but you have to have dreams .....
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The waterside bridge will have a bigger impact on crowd dispersion that people think I reckon. Everyone going towards Lady Bay Bridge will likely use it unless you are going directly to the City Centre. There is also tonnes of places to park at Colwick Park (also the industrial estate at the edge of it).

That opens in June so will be interesting to see the difference next season.

They are also starting the houses the other side of the Trent Basin when the bridge is finished, so they are slowly eating up the industrial estates around them. That would only leave the sites you mention on the Meadow Lane side of LBB, and then 3-4 more industrial units the other side to allow them to build the walkway they want all the way along the north side of the Trent.

They should definitely use the opportunity to widen Meadow Lane from the County Ground to Daleside Road to factor in public transit in any redevelopment. A tram could probably already run along Daleside Road towards Colwick without any major works done.
 
donny

donny

Jack Burkitt
Rzar said:
The waterside bridge will have a bigger impact on crowd dispersion that people think I reckon. Everyone going towards Lady Bay Bridge will likely use it unless you are going directly to the City Centre. There is also tonnes of places to park at Colwick Park (also the industrial estate at the edge of it).

That opens in June so will be interesting to see the difference next season.

They are also starting the houses the other side of the Trent Basin when the bridge is finished, so they are slowly eating up the industrial estates around them. That would only leave the sites you mention on the Meadow Lane side of LBB, and then 3-4 more industrial units the other side to allow them to build the walkway they want all the way along the north side of the Trent.

They should definitely use the opportunity to widen Meadow Lane from the County Ground to Daleside Road to factor in public transit in any redevelopment. A tram could probably already run along Daleside Road towards Colwick without any major works done.
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Gives the opportunity for the Racecourse to become a Park and Ride, unless they want to go further down the Loop Road (which of course, is built on an old railway line), and head towards Colwick and Netherfield and wherever the authorities intend the next Trent Crossing to be built on that side of the city.
 
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