The Relegation Dogfight 25/26

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Cloughie1975

Stuart Pearce
Statto said:
It was a bit of both

They were organised enough to restrict us to perhaps two actual goalscoring opportunities. Lucca's miss was bad but the ball into him wasn't amazing. CHO managed a few weak shots straight at the keeper. MGW headed wide. But apart from that which other ones were real goalscoring opportunities?

For all the 30 or so attempts we might have had, the keeper didn't really make anything other than routine saves.

Fact is they are way improved under Edwards (who is overrated because he basically took Nathan Jones' team up at Luton and then couldn't sustain it) than under our current manager and that's because he's made them harder to beat and harder to score against.

They have done well against some much better teams since that night and because they basically have nothing to lose by now probably will give the teams around us a good game. I wouldn't write them off a win or two.
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In those circumstances it wouldn’t be the first time that Wolves have done Forest a favour.

Their win at promotion rivals Bolton in 1977 meant Forest finished 3rd and opened the door to the Clough and Taylor glory days.
 
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Geoff Thomas
Cloughie1975 said:
In those circumstances it wouldn’t be the first time that Wolves have done Forest a favour.

Their win at promotion rivals Bolton in 1977 meant Forest finished 3rd and opened the door to the Clough and Taylor glory days.
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That win left Bolton needing to win their final game (against Bristol Rovers, IIRC) by 14 clear goals to pip us to the third promotion place. I knew that wouldn’t happen so immediately celebrated our promotion. My dad, on the other hand, was a cautious man and refused to be sure we were up until Bolton had played their last game. They drew 2-2, so we went up by a point plus a vastly superior goal difference (in the days of 2 points for a win). In the years since I have often heard that we only just scraped up but although it wasn’t decided until our final game it could actually have been closer. Mind you, I’ve also heard people say Clough and Taylor took us up as champions…
 
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Geoff Thomas
Cloughie1975 said:
In those circumstances it wouldn’t be the first time that Wolves have done Forest a favour.

Their win at promotion rivals Bolton in 1977 meant Forest finished 3rd and opened the door to the Clough and Taylor glory days.
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Kenny Hibbit is a proper Nottingham legend.

Andy Gray on the other hand can f*** right off. Ruined my first visit to Wembley the misogynistic twat.
 
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Stuart Pearce
Ian Moore Gone Little said:
That win left Bolton needing to win their final game (against Bristol Rovers, IIRC) by 14 clear goals to pip us to the third promotion place. I knew that wouldn’t happen so immediately celebrated our promotion. My dad, on the other hand, was a cautious man and refused to be sure we were up until Bolton had played their last game. They drew 2-2, so we went up by a point plus a vastly superior goal difference (in the days of 2 points for a win). In the years since I have often heard that we only just scraped up but although it wasn’t decided until our final game it could actually have been closer. Mind you, I’ve also heard people say Clough and Taylor took us up as champions…
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I seem to remember that 13-0 would have taken Bolton up (with the goal differences level and Bolton would then have scored more goals)-but it was irrelevant really.

I thought Forest might win it around Christmas as we were playing some delightful football but we hit a dodgy spell
only to find form again towards the end although the 0-1 at home to struggling Cardiff looked damaging at the time.
 
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Geoff Thomas
Cloughie1975 said:
I think Cloughie dropped a bit of a clanger that day by playing Trevor Francis on the right rather then through the middle.
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And of course the following midweek he played Francis up front and he scored twice in Berlin to win us the tie against Dynamo after we’d trailed by a goal after the home leg.

For the final, Larry Lloyd was suspended and lost his appeal so had to miss the final. As I recall (possibly unreliably), Andy Gray had also racked up a suspension but Wolves were able to fit a rearranged game in before the final, so he played. So, of course, it was a mix-up between Lloyd’s replacement, David Needham, and Peter Shilton that gave Gray the open goal to score the only goal of a game we dominated throughout without managing to score. So it’s fair to say a lot of us older supporters would welcome Wolves giving us a helping hand in one or two of their games against the relegation-threatened teams!
 
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Stuart Pearce
Ian Moore Gone Little said:
And of course the following midweek he played Francis up front and he scored twice in Berlin to win us the tie against Dynamo after we’d trailed by a goal after the home leg.

For the final, Larry Lloyd was suspended and lost his appeal so had to miss the final. As I recall (possibly unreliably), Andy Gray had also racked up a suspension but Wolves were able to fit a rearranged game in before the final, so he played. So, of course, it was a mix-up between Lloyd’s replacement, David Needham, and Peter Shilton that gave Gray the open goal to score the only goal of a game we dominated throughout without managing to score. So it’s fair to say a lot of us older supporters would welcome Wolves giving us a helping hand in one or two of their games against the relegation-threatened teams!
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My brother (who was studying in Wolverhampton at the time) had to endure the open top bus parade past
his lecture theatre on the Monday after the game.

We both went to Berlin though in freezing conditions and saw Trevor ease the disappointment of Wembley.
 
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Colin Addison

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Ian Moore Gone Little said:
That win left Bolton needing to win their final game (against Bristol Rovers, IIRC) by 14 clear goals to pip us to the third promotion place. I knew that wouldn’t happen so immediately celebrated our promotion. My dad, on the other hand, was a cautious man and refused to be sure we were up until Bolton had played their last game. They drew 2-2, so we went up by a point plus a vastly superior goal difference (in the days of 2 points for a win). In the years since I have often heard that we only just scraped up but although it wasn’t decided until our final game it could actually have been closer. Mind you, I’ve also heard people say Clough and Taylor took us up as champions…
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Right my memory must be playing tricks on me (not for the first time), as i remember it Bolton played Wolves in their last game needing to win. At this point Forest were on a plane to Majorca. Wolves had already won the league but still found enough spirit to beat Bolton 1-0 thanks to a Kenny Hibbert goal.
 
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Cloughie1975

Stuart Pearce
Colin Addison said:
Right my memory must be playing tricks on me (not for the first time), as i remember it Bolton played Wolves in their last game needing to win. At this point Forest were on a plane to Majorca. Wolves had already won the league but still found enough spirit to beat Bolton 1-0 thanks to a Kenny Hibbert goal.
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Bolton still had 3 games to play after Forest’s final fixture against Millwall and needed 5 points (2 points for a win) to clinch third place.

They won their first game against Cardiff but lost to Wolves meaning Forest were effectively up due to a way superior goal difference.

You are right that Wolves were effectively champions with a 2 points advantage over Chelsea with one game to
go (at Bolton) but they still did Forest a massive favour.
 
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Cloughie1975 said:
Bolton still had 3 games to play after Forest’s final fixture against Millwall and needed 5 points (2 points for a win) to clinch third place.

They won their first game against Cardiff but lost to Wolves meaning Forest were effectively up due to a way superior goal difference.

You are right that Wolves were effectively champions with a 2 points advantage over Chelsea with one game to
go (at Bolton) but they still did Forest a massive favour.
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You really ought to go on Mastermind Norman. 😄
 
duncanmckenzie

duncanmckenzie

Viv Anderson
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You really ought to go on Mastermind Norman. 😄
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Cloughie1975 said:
In those circumstances it wouldn’t be the first time that Wolves have done Forest a favour.

Their win at promotion rivals Bolton in 1977 meant Forest finished 3rd and opened the door to the Clough and Taylor glory days.
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Although they did relegate us in 1971/72 when they won 3-1 at the City Ground but in fairness we in effect already down
 
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Cloughie1975

Stuart Pearce
duncanmckenzie said:
Although they did relegate us in 1971/72 when they won 3-1 at the City Ground but in fairness we in effect already down
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Yes-we drew 0-0 at home to Manchester United the previous Saturday.

I distinctly remember Ian Storey-Moore hitting a feeble shot at Jim Barron when it seemed easier to score-I’m sure
he didn’t want to relegate his former club as teammate Denis Law did a couple of years later.
 
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Geoff Thomas
duncanmckenzie said:
Although they did relegate us in 1971/72 when they won 3-1 at the City Ground but in fairness we in effect already down
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Yes, I remember that game. As an 8-year-old I was still clinging on to the hope that we could stay up but even I knew in my heart of hearts that we were down. As you say, that game relegated us. In my memory a Wolves player breaks clear towards the Bridgford End and chips the ball in over Jim Barron to make the game safe for them at 3-1 and that moment was when my tiny bit of hope was dashed.
 
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Geoff Thomas
Cloughie1975 said:
Yes-we drew 0-0 at home to Manchester United the previous Saturday.

I distinctly remember Ian Storey-Moore hitting a feeble shot at Jim Barron when it seemed easier to score-I’m sure
he didn’t want to relegate his former club as teammate Denis Law did a couple of years later.
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Ian was very nervous about playing in that game for the reason you suggest - he would’ve hated to be the man whose goal sent us down. Apparently Bob McKinlay, who was a first-team coach by that time, went up to him before the game and asked him to go easy on us. As an honest professional he had to try his best and did so (his weak shot might have been down to nerves rather than consciously not wanting to score), but he said he was hugely relieved when the game finished and we weren’t yet down.
 
redforest

redforest

Geoff Thomas
GOBIAS said:
I always thought they’d be ok anyway. But as others have alluded to, being the manager of Brentford or Brighton is a massive different pressure than the manger of spurs and their (deluded) expectations.

It was similar here when we’d appoint manager after manager who was successful at x, y or z, had got clubs promoted, was a good coach. It didn’t matter one jot as they all failed because the expectation here was a bit higher and the pressure was different. As a championship club we were the equivalent of a top 6 Man Utd or spurs type club.
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Maybe when we were in League 1 but in the championship we were always way behind the parachute clubs
 
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