Raymondo Ponte'
It's all about mid-table...
So our owner is the 3rd poorest in the league?
Ahh well, it's not what yuv got, it's where ya stick it !
Does anyone remember League 1 Derby County? (STILL the worst team in history!)
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Ahh well, it's not what yuv got, it's where ya stick it !
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
Raymondo Ponte'
It's all about mid-table...
I'll send EM a food parcel we a kebab innit 
Seriously though, it just shows the endless money there is in that league if Marryknakkers is the pauper.
Brings it all home, sickening actually.
Seriously though, it just shows the endless money there is in that league if Marryknakkers is the pauper.
Brings it all home, sickening actually.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Does Rooney leaving mean his freedom of the village and statue is more likely or less likely to go ahead now?
Tiff
Matchday Squad
FAO Notcher, how does this tally with what you heard?
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
I heard nothing about this tbh Tiff. I heard Clowes was interested in the stadium a while back but it appeared to go cold.
The pieces I've heard are vastly different in nature and still to come out.
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alabamared
Stuart Pearce
1. Richest Premier League Club Owners
2. 1. Saudi Public Investment Fund | Newcastle United | $441 Billion
3. 2. Sheikh Mansour | Manchester City | $30 Billion
4. 3. Todd Boehly and His Consortium | Chelsea | $13.5 Billion
5. 4. Stan Kroenke | Arsenal | $10 Billion
6. 5. Nassef Sawiris | Aston Villa | $9.2 Billion
7. 6. Shahid Rafiq Khan | Fulham | $9 Billion
8. 7. Guo Guangchang | Wolverhampton Wanderers | $7.1 Billion
9. 8. Joe Lewis & Daniel Levy | Tottenham | $6 Billion
10. 9. Joshua Harris | Crystal Palace | $5.7 Billion
11. 10. Glazer Family | Manchester United | $4.7 Billion
12. 11. Gao Jisheng | Southampton | $4.3 Billion
13. 12. Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha & Family | Leicester City | $3.7 Billion
14. 13. John W. Henry & Thomas C. Werner (FSG) | Liverpool | $2.8 Billion
15. 14. Farhad Moshiri | Everton | $2.9 Billion
16. 15. David Sullivan & David Gold | West Ham United | $2 Billion
17. 16. Tony Bloom | Brighton | $1.8 Billion
18. 17. Evangelos Marinakis | Nottingham Forest | $800 Million
19. 18. Andrea Radrizzani | Leeds United | $520 Million
20. 19. Maxim Demin | Bournemouth | $120 Million
21. 20. Matthew Benham | Bentford | $20M
2. 1. Saudi Public Investment Fund | Newcastle United | $441 Billion
3. 2. Sheikh Mansour | Manchester City | $30 Billion
4. 3. Todd Boehly and His Consortium | Chelsea | $13.5 Billion
5. 4. Stan Kroenke | Arsenal | $10 Billion
6. 5. Nassef Sawiris | Aston Villa | $9.2 Billion
7. 6. Shahid Rafiq Khan | Fulham | $9 Billion
8. 7. Guo Guangchang | Wolverhampton Wanderers | $7.1 Billion
9. 8. Joe Lewis & Daniel Levy | Tottenham | $6 Billion
10. 9. Joshua Harris | Crystal Palace | $5.7 Billion
11. 10. Glazer Family | Manchester United | $4.7 Billion
12. 11. Gao Jisheng | Southampton | $4.3 Billion
13. 12. Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha & Family | Leicester City | $3.7 Billion
14. 13. John W. Henry & Thomas C. Werner (FSG) | Liverpool | $2.8 Billion
15. 14. Farhad Moshiri | Everton | $2.9 Billion
16. 15. David Sullivan & David Gold | West Ham United | $2 Billion
17. 16. Tony Bloom | Brighton | $1.8 Billion
18. 17. Evangelos Marinakis | Nottingham Forest | $800 Million
19. 18. Andrea Radrizzani | Leeds United | $520 Million
20. 19. Maxim Demin | Bournemouth | $120 Million
21. 20. Matthew Benham | Bentford | $20M
Tiff
Matchday Squad
Ohh good, so more drama to follow. Has Clowes only bought the stadium and not the training ground?
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I agree with you Ashley but I also think the new guy is a businessman so they’ll be shit on the pitch for the next few years a bit like Bolton but as I have also said it’s exactly what they need. There is no need to worry about on the pitch stuff u tip you sort the off the pitch stuff. It’s also quite liberating not having any expectations on the pitch and you can actually have some longer term plans which is rare in football.
I never wanted them to die I just wanted them to take their financial medicine and now they will seem to do it now.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
He might be fourth "poorest" (I think that net worth is well out of date by the way - that was his apparent net worth when he got us and since then there has not only been a shipping boom but he's bought a load of other businesses too) but most of them are investment funds. They have access to capital but they probably don't have, or want the spending power that an individual owner will.
Most of them are so wealthy because they are tight bastards. All the American owners on that list may as well have £5 to their name because they aren't putting any money into their clubs.
Most of them are so wealthy because they are tight bastards. All the American owners on that list may as well have £5 to their name because they aren't putting any money into their clubs.
That £23m debt was in the stadium company wasn’t it? not on Derby county and the stadium company wasn’t in admin. So in theory no debt has actually reduced in the club itself or a perhaps a small secured debt, which has been settled 100%. Don’t think that would please the HMRC would it?
That list is unreal. It’s hard to imagine that kind of wealth. And, that’s just the Premier League.
Try to put it all in perspective, a million is probably just about as much as most people can relate to.
1 million seconds is about 11days.
1 billion seconds is about 31.5 years.
alabamared
Stuart Pearce
You are right. That list was dated 30th May but sorting out fact from fiction as regards individual wealth is not easy and as you succinctly point out more relevent is how much they are prepared to bankroll the club.
Eddie Yates
Steve Chettle
We've just bought a £17m striker
Derby fans will be spunking if Colin Kazim Richards signs a new deal
Gotta laugh
Derby fans will be spunking if Colin Kazim Richards signs a new deal
Gotta laugh
Ashley
Steve Chettle
He'll own the club as well in a matter of days, unless there is some sort of disaster lurking in the shadows that hasn't been reported yet (though it doesn't seem likely).
The £23m secured against the stadium is still the clubs debt; that money is the loans that have been propping up Derby for a few years now. It needed to be cleared by someone for the club to survive.
Bonfy177
LTLF MORON
Aye and word round the camp fire is Chris Kirchner is returning that coat he bought from Derby, makes you think
Agent Penguin
Geoff Thomas
He still has to charge market rent as the club doesn’t own it.
Not sure how easy it is to sell to the club, especially as they have no money.
Not sure how easy it is to sell to the club, especially as they have no money.
Oh I see what you are saying. Yes, you are quite right.
As I understood it - Aside from the other monies owed - Mel set up the company and brought the stadium. - For that Derby received £85m.
Derby, later needed further funds of £20m so Mel financed this by personally borrowing from MSD and lodged the security against the stadium, which was now owned by a company Under his personal ownership) He also had an additional personal guarantee lodged against this £20m loan. Which was set against 2 flats in Chelsea and a house in sandbanks.
Mel then loaned that £20m to Derby which then meant the debt was to Mel and not to MSD.
So if the stadium was sold and ignoring the additional sums borrowed by Quantuma - the actual £20m original borrowings was the amounts Derby owed to Mel and not other creditors.
I do see what you are saying and you are quite correct, it does shave off their debt, but from my last knowledge - Derby owed Mel personally £160m or thereabouts and I would have usually considered that being a 100% write off much like Nigel Doughty wrote off the sums that he invested into the club. Happy to be corrected of course.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
I was thinking about the re-selling of the club. As I understand it, it's a temporary deal to stop the club going under.
But they have to shell out a shed load of money first just to keep the wolf from the door, then run it for however long it takes to find a new owner.
I reckon they will almost certainly lose money on this deal because the amount they need to spend now will dwarf the actual cost price of a club in League 1 when they put it on the market.
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
From a simple maths point of view, the stadium changing hands means that they have circa £8m football debts and then 25% or 35% over 3 years for the rest?
Still huge numbers that he's not going to see a return on for some time.
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Still huge numbers that he's not going to see a return on for some time.
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Winnits
Viv Anderson
Assuming HMRC sign up to the 25/35%
Ashley
Steve Chettle
I think the 25/35% is unsecured creditors, so doesn't include HMRC.
Hard to say what the HMRC's demands are as there has just been silence on that matter from all sides. My guess is that they will want full payment but may agree to a payment plan across a number of years, but who knows?
Collymore!
Thankyou Steve!
Must have been more than £20m for the (let's call it MSD debt) as there was interest, and also they've borrowed throughout the season from MSD at intervals - maybe Mel's contributed to clearing the rest of what he owe's MSD.
Clowes needs to potentially clear £35m in HMRC, £6m in football creditors, then unsecured, after this, they'll own the club. Then they'll need to put in £Xm a season to cover running costs and build a team (via wages).
tbf if he's doing this to reunite the club and stadium/training ground and stabilise, before reselling, then fair fucks. If he does sell on then they'll probably take a £20m+ loss (depending on the HMRC situation) and that's if they get back to some kind of sustainability. If it was Forest then I'd be more than happy to lose £20m of my £250m fortune to avoid us going pop!
Wouldn't be too surprised to see it being sold to Ashley within a fortnight.
Clowes needs to potentially clear £35m in HMRC, £6m in football creditors, then unsecured, after this, they'll own the club. Then they'll need to put in £Xm a season to cover running costs and build a team (via wages).
tbf if he's doing this to reunite the club and stadium/training ground and stabilise, before reselling, then fair fucks. If he does sell on then they'll probably take a £20m+ loss (depending on the HMRC situation) and that's if they get back to some kind of sustainability. If it was Forest then I'd be more than happy to lose £20m of my £250m fortune to avoid us going pop!
Wouldn't be too surprised to see it being sold to Ashley within a fortnight.
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Ashley
Steve Chettle
I reckon he'll sell in 2023 when their embargo ends; they'll be more attractive to potential buyers then.
He'll keep them ticking over with minimum investment into the playing squad until then.