The Big BREXIT discussion!

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?

  • Geoff Hurst

    Votes: 22 44.0%
  • Onions

    Votes: 28 56.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .

GOBIAS

Steve Chettle
And Brexit has affected lots and lots of business very very badly

Don’t see the U.K. government giving too much of a fuck


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I agree. I voted to remain.

But that is the point. The French business owners in certain regions deserve their government to facilitate their businesses.
 

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Yes, JRM even announced the delay in implementing them as some kind of Brexit dividend.

The sooner that twat is as far away as possible form harming public life the better.


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Folk I work with want him as PM "He'd show em"...


I have no idea who "em" is

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Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
Folk I work with want him as PM "He'd show em"...


I have no idea who "em" is

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Usually the person that reads the headlines in the Express or Mail but fails to read the whole article wants em sorting too.

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Grummitt

A. Trialist
prime example of someone with A-list academic qualifications who is thick as pigshit in terms of common sense and proves this every time his lips move.
I think you need to dig out his questions to Oliver Robins the traitor that won 50k bonus & a knighthood for arranging a remainer Brexit for Theresa May.
Or maybe the interview with the far left James O'Brainless.
No time for any politicians myself but just like to level things up when there are far more despicable humans.

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Rich

Rice IV
Interesting going back to read some of the early comments on here.

It’s clear there has been zero benefit to Brexit. Question is, is it because:

A - it was a bad idea

B - it has been implemented by people only looking to profit themselves

C - it was a bad idea implemented by people only looking to profit themselves

How do we go about reapplying to get in?


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Tiff

Matchday Squad
I don't think we will be reapplying within the next ten years, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I read somewhere that super negotiator Frost will be back if Truss wins, bet that the EU shaking in their boots.
 

Rich

Rice IV
I don't think we will be reapplying within the next ten years, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I read somewhere that super negotiator Frost will be back if Truss wins, bet that the EU shaking in their boots.

Little Englander mentality, mate. What exactly do we have to offer in a negotiation?!


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cheapseats

Grenville Morris
Interesting going back to read some of the early comments on here.

It’s clear there has been zero benefit to Brexit. Question is, is it because:

A - it was a bad idea

B - it has been implemented by people only looking to profit themselves

C - it was a bad idea implemented by people only looking to profit themselves

How do we go about reapplying to get in?


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It was a bad idea.
The pro Brexit lobby were/are ideologues who seemingly forgot that negotiation is a two way street, so what they may have thought we might have got and what ultimately is on offer are 2 completely different things….what is sad and pathetic is the wailing and gnashing of teeth about that basic fact. That and the fact that Brexiteers also blame the mess on the fact that the process was run by remainers!.

There is no chance of us rejoining for a generation.
 

Rich

Rice IV
What is a little Englander mentality?

It’s the mentality of the brexiteer - the ‘they need us more than we need them’ mentality.

All the while overlooking that actually we don’t really bring anything to the table.

Edit: I was referring to the brexiteers, not you, obvs!


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Tiff

Matchday Squad
It’s the mentality of the brexiteer - the ‘they need us more than we need them’ mentality.

All the while overlooking that actually we don’t really bring anything to the table.

Edit: I was referring to the brexiteers, not you, obvs!


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We do bring stuff to the table.

We are a large, wealthy market on the doorstep of the EU

Unfortunately, it’s not as much as brexiters thought, they overplayed their hands massively. They thought they were sitting at the table with four aces
We had two twos and the other side had done their homework, they knew exactly what we held and how we would play.




( please refrain from using the term brexiteer , it gives them the air of some swashbuckling adventurer. They aren’t)


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Project Zeus

Stuart Pearce
It’s the mentality of the brexiteer - the ‘they need us more than we need them’ mentality.

All the while overlooking that actually we don’t really bring anything to the table.

Edit: I was referring to the brexiteers, not you, obvs!


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We bring plenty to the table. The UK has an advanced service-based economy, particularly with some of the best financial services and universities in the world, and is a strong soft power.

Our problem was more that we were never committed to the EU. It's more trouble than it's worth for them, so we get to be poorer as a result.



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Rich

Rice IV
We bring plenty to the table. The UK has an advanced service-based economy, particularly with some of the best financial services and universities in the world, and is a strong soft power.

Our problem was more that we were never committed to the EU. It's more trouble than it's worth for them, so we get to be poorer as a result.



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Financial services are extremely easily portable, though. That’s the issue - just because we have a decent financial services sector, doesn’t mean that same thing can’t spin up in any other country.

Germany have an excellent financial services sector, as do France.

Our ability to keep that sector alive is based purely on taxation.


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Rich

Rice IV
We do bring stuff to the table.

We are a large, wealthy market on the doorstep of the EU

Unfortunately, it’s not as much as brexiters thought, they overplayed their hands massively. They thought they were sitting at the table with four aces
We had two twos and the other side had done their homework, they knew exactly what we held and how we would play.




( please refrain from using the term brexiteer , it gives them the air of some swashbuckling adventurer. They aren’t)


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If we’re so wealthy then why have our energy prices gone though the roof, yet France have limited increases to 4%?

Is it because we buy from them, thereby our price increases are subsiding theirs? Great.


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Project Zeus

Stuart Pearce
Financial services are extremely easily portable, though. That’s the issue - just because we have a decent financial services sector, doesn’t mean that same thing can’t spin up in any other country.

Germany have an excellent financial services sector, as do France.

Our ability to keep that sector alive is based purely on taxation.


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Well yeah, Brexit was an act of incredible national self-harm.

At the moment, we have plenty to offer. Let's hope that's still the case in twenty years.

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Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
Well yeah, Brexit was an act of incredible national self-harm.

At the moment, we have plenty to offer. Let's hope that's still the case in twenty years.

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This is why the Conservative government wants to focus on removing regulations and lowering taxes, because they are desperate to attract investment into the UK.

Unfortunately, the price will be paid by the UK worker, who will inevitably lose valuable protections - many received as a result of previous EU laws - when costs are cut by business. Yes, it might make financial sense from the business point-of-view, but it won‘t be as good for the worker.

As noted a few posts above, the UK was never really committed to the European Union, hence the large number of „opt-outs“ it negotiated, such as the Euro, Schengen, the working time directive and a number of others.

Cleverly, previous governments leveraged the single market and customs union to help British businesses. However, with the Tories „oven ready deal“ (effectively a „hard“ Brexit) with all the complications it brings, means that the UK, commercially, is now at a significant disadvantage to its European peers.

They could, of course, have opted to remain in one (or both) of the single market and customs union, but of course that would have meant being a rule-taker from those dastardly Europeans, which would never do. Because - for some reason - it seems many were led to believe that a small number of nationalistic, right-wing zealots were more attuned to the needs of the United Kingdom than anyone else.

I am sure though, that the removal of regulations - such as the „bonfire“ promised by Liz Truss - will of course, not mean that certain individuals can further line their own pockets, at the expense of everyone else.

That‘s the same Liz Truss of course, who was a co-author of the famous pamphlet Britannia Unchained, which described British workers as „amongst the worst idlers in the world“, among other insults and criticism about their catastrophically-low productivity.
 

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
Interesting going back to read some of the early comments on here.

It’s clear there has been zero benefit to Brexit. Question is, is it because:

A - it was a bad idea

B - it has been implemented by people only looking to profit themselves

C - it was a bad idea implemented by people only looking to profit themselves

How do we go about reapplying to get in?


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D - the opportunities and benefits of decoupling from the EU cannot be delivered by the Tories without a fundamental change in their principles - seems ironic that the party most aligned to the (antiquated) neo-liberal principles of the EU is now tasked with steering the UK in a different direction
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
What is a little Englander mentality?
If you get a spare 10 mins take a look at a you tube channel called Jeff Taylor and read the comments. Frighteningly he has nearly 120000 subscribers. If you had a vision of what a gammon looks like it's Jeff.
He's so like Al Murray's character the pub landlord but he's serious.
I like Al Murray but when you read the comments on his videos the amount of people who think he's serious and can't see he's tak6the piss is worrying.
He's coming to Skegness in October and I'd like to go but what puts me off is I reckon a high percentage of the audience won't get it.

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Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
This is pretty damning:

There's still enough folk who think all our problems are caused by either the EU, immigration or not getting the brexit we really wanted. Yes some want an even tougher brexit.
If politicians go around upsetting the racists they'll lose votes. And that's all that matters to them.

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Otis Redd'un

Steve Chettle
If you get a spare 10 mins take a look at a you tube channel called Jeff Taylor and read the comments. Frighteningly he has nearly 120000 subscribers. If you had a vision of what a gammon looks like it's Jeff.
He's so like Al Murray's character the pub landlord but he's serious.
I like Al Murray but when you read the comments on his videos the amount of people who think he's serious and can't see he's tak6the piss is worrying.
He's coming to Skegness in October and I'd like to go but what puts me off is I reckon a high percentage of the audience won't get it.
You're probably right to give Murray a miss. According to a friend who saw him when he appeared at Nottingham Playhouse a few years ago, the confusion amongst a small section of the audience was palpable when Al eventually revealed his true lefty self.

I don't want to cast aspersions on the good people of east Lincolnshire but, as you imply, the majority pro-Brexit dominance of the population of the area will probably impact the audience demographic more noticeably than it would somewhere like largely remain-voting Nottingham.
 
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Viktor

Warp Speed Chic
You're probably right to give Murray a miss. According to a friend who saw him when he appeared at Nottingham Playhouse a few years ago, the confusion amongst a small section of the audience was palpable when Al eventually revealed his true lefty self.
I think I went to the same show, it was quite funny how the crowd slowly realised he was taking the piss out of them the whole time.
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
You're probably right to give Murray a miss. According to a friend who saw him when he appeared at Nottingham Playhouse a few years ago, the confusion amongst a small section of the audience was palpable when Al eventually revealed his true lefty self.
I've heard a few have walked out when it finally dawned on them. A modern day Alf Garnet

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