The Big BREXIT discussion!

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?

  • Geoff Hurst

    Votes: 22 44.0%
  • Onions

    Votes: 28 56.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
So do the EU allow US, Singapore, NZ, Aus etc… nationals in without stamps? Or just without Schengen visas?

Because we have allowed them in for a few years now. Therefore potentially they are in the EU without checks!
Welcome to the conundrum that is Brexit.

The U.K., pretty much unlike every member state in the European Union, never requires people to centrally register when they arrive in the country, so, someone can come into the U.K. and effectively then disappear (as about 3m EU citizens did, pre-Brexit).
 

Phooey

Jack Armstrong
Why should the French have to employ more people? Before brexit they didn't even check your passport when they got busy you just waved it at them.
Apparently there was funding on offer in 2020 to build more booths but Boris refused it.

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The French should employ more people if they want Brit's in their country spending money. As nice as it is to be able to drive to another country on holiday, at some point people will get fed up of queuing and go elsewhere to spend their cash.
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
The French should employ more people if they want Brit's in their country spending money. As nice as it is to be able to drive to another country on holiday, at some point people will get fed up of queuing and go elsewhere to spend their cash.
Ah the old , they need us more than we need them theory.

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GOBIAS

Steve Chettle
The French should employ more people if they want Brit's in their country spending money. As nice as it is to be able to drive to another country on holiday, at some point people will get fed up of queuing and go elsewhere to spend their cash.
Which would have a massive impact to some regions of France.
 

Phooey

Jack Armstrong
Ah the old , they need us more than we need them theory.

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Unless several hundred thousand holidaymakers are queuing up somewhere else then it's pretty clear that, yes the holiday resorts need British tourists.

But hey, no difference in queues going in to Turkey since Brexit.
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
You’re making a mistake, it’s not the French border.

It’s the European Union border now.

Once you cross into France, you could theoretically travel anywhere in the EU. It’s all well and good kicking the French, but to be honest, they are only there because of geographic proximity.

You would be treated the same if you travel (for example) to Hook of Holland, or Bilbao.

Oh and Turkey isn’t - and frankly never will be - an EU member, despite what Nigel Farage might tell you, so of course, there will be no difference there. Still get your passport stamped when you arrive in Turkey though, yes?
 

GOBIAS

Steve Chettle
You’re making a mistake, it’s not the French border.

It’s the European Union border now.

Once you cross into France, you could theoretically travel anywhere in the EU. It’s all well and good kicking the French, but to be honest, they are only there because of geographic proximity.

You would be treated the same if you travel (for example) to Hook of Holland, or Bilbao.

Oh and Turkey isn’t - and frankly never will be - an EU member, despite what Nigel Farage might tell you, so of course, there will be no difference there. Still get your passport stamped when you arrive in Turkey though, yes?
Do you still have to bribe an official to let you in to Turkey?
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
Not necessarily that lef. But it will negatively affect some businesses badly. The French government have a duty to protect those businesses as much as anything.
Sometimes tourism isn't that black and white. I see Venice has stopped the big cruise liners because of the damage they are doing. Plus they don't spend anything. They need the tourists but aren't prepared to pay the price. The French will get plenty of tourists with or without the Brits.
When I first went to Greece it was mainly Brits Dutch Germans and Scandinavian,s now it's polish Bulgarians Romanians Italians.

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Phooey

Jack Armstrong
You’re making a mistake, it’s not the French border.

It’s the European Union border now.

Once you cross into France, you could theoretically travel anywhere in the EU. It’s all well and good kicking the French, but to be honest, they are only there because of geographic proximity.

You would be treated the same if you travel (for example) to Hook of Holland, or Bilbao.

Oh and Turkey isn’t - and frankly never will be - an EU member, despite what Nigel Farage might tell you, so of course, there will be no difference there. Still get your passport stamped when you arrive in Turkey though, yes?
If I was travelling further than France I'd probably fly rather than drive, as I'm sure the vast majority of those stuck in customs would do as well. There will be consequences for causing more pain.

Yes, the Turks do stamp your passport but then there are loads of booths, all manned, so it doesn't take very long to get through.
 

Phooey

Jack Armstrong
Sometimes tourism isn't that black and white. I see Venice has stopped the big cruise liners because of the damage they are doing. Plus they don't spend anything. They need the tourists but aren't prepared to pay the price. The French will get plenty of tourists with or without the Brits.
When I first went to Greece it was mainly Brits Dutch Germans and Scandinavian,s now it's polish Bulgarians Romanians Italians.

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If people from the cruise ships spent money they would still be in Venice, the cruise companies shafted them selves there.

I can remember Cyrpus having mainly British tourists before the Russians came in. The Cypriots would rather have the Brits back now as well.
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
If people from the cruise ships spent money they would still be in Venice, the cruise companies shafted them selves there.

I can remember Cyrpus having mainly British tourists before the Russians came in. The Cypriots would rather have the Brits back now as well.
The damage done by the cruise ships was getting really bad. They even moved the Venice to Igoumenitsa ferries out of town.

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Huxley

John Robertson
All entry points to the EU have E-Gates. The U.K. has them too.

At the moment, British Citizens cannot use them to enter the European Union, because Britain is no longer an EU member state, and the British government couldn’t be bothered to negotiate a deal that would have allowed Brits to continue to use the E-Gates (and they could have, much like the Swiss and the Norwegians did).

Some states might let Brits continue to use them, but that’s legally a proper grey area (because as the UK no longer shares passport data directly, passports cannot be verflied).

Bit unfortunately, „Brexit means Brexit“, so fuck off.

(To put it succinctly).

Returned from East miss to Bergamo at the weekend and used the e-gates but then had a further manual passport check for stamping purposes. However my carta di soggiorno (residence permit essentially) meant the chap didn’t even check my passports when it came to it.
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
The damage done by the cruise ships was getting really bad. They even moved the Venice to Igoumenitsa ferries out of town. There was a programme on not long back interviewing Venetian,s. They admitted they can't survive without tourism but they all said they don't want the cruise ships.

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Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
Returned from East miss to Bergamo at the weekend and used the e-gates but then had a further manual passport check for stamping purposes. However my carta di soggiorno (residence permit essentially) meant the chap didn’t even check my passports when it came to it.
I've still got my bio metric residents card I wondered whether I could use it?

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Barry

Where's me hammer?
Problem is, you cannot blame the French though.

With the U.K. as a „third country“ now, passports have to be stamped. And that applies at ports and airports.

Previously, you just showed your passport and as long as the name matched, and the picture matched, in you came. Now, post-Brexit, the border officer has to check for existing entry stamps first, then check for corresponding exit stamps, then make sure you’ve not exceeded the 90-days-in-180-days limit, then apply a new stamp, for another 90-days (or the balance thereof, if you’ve entered the EU within the previous six months) and at present, that has to be done manually.

Of course it’s going to take longer.

One estimate is that it now takes 90 seconds per passport, instead of 48 seconds previously.

And next summer it could get worse, if/when the EU brings in the e-borders scheme and the EU-equivalent of the American ESTA program.

But to stress a point, this is entirely self-inflicted, many - including the EU - told the UK this would happen, and what do they do?

They blame the French.

Went through Menorca Airport a week ago, think the guy on passport control was asleep, no stamp, no fuss... took longer to find the picture on my new black passport than it did to get through... same with covid passes bizarrely outsourced to a UK company to check after passport control.

We leave Sunday so could be a chore then but no issues so far. Might be different in say the Canaries where I've been nigh on 20 times, they love fucking you about even when we were still EU bros.... especially the twats on baggage at Gran caneria, them fuckers love a strike that fucks your holiday.

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Tiff

Matchday Squad
Let's face it the British haven't implemented half the EU rules yet because they know it would show brexit up to be an even bigger shit show than it already is.

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Yes, JRM even announced the delay in implementing them as some kind of Brexit dividend.

The sooner that twat is as far away as possible form harming public life the better.


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Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
No , they are on holiday this time of year
Strikes are on autumn, just after they get back and just before the November holidays.


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About the same as the Greeks then. Athens will empty out now. I think it's around December when the Greek farmers start blocking the motorways.

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Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
Yes, JRM even announced the delay in implementing them as some kind of Brexit dividend.

The sooner that twat is as far away as possible form harming public life the better.


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He does speak awfully nice for a cnut though.

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Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
Returned from East miss to Bergamo at the weekend and used the e-gates but then had a further manual passport check for stamping purposes. However my carta di soggiorno (residence permit essentially) meant the chap didn’t even check my passports when it came to it.
Yeah, I am similar; I have an Aufenhaltstitel, a German residence permit valid under article 50, so I can use that when I return home to Germany to skip the „non EU“ queues; I cannot use the E-Gate, but I can go straight to the Bundespolizei counter Next to the E-Gates and present my U.K. passport and German residency permit and I am usually through within a couple of minutes, unlike the U.K. passport holders who have to queue with the Americans and Indians and God knows who else.
 

Tiff

Matchday Squad
Not necessarily that lef. But it will negatively affect some businesses badly. The French government have a duty to protect those businesses as much as anything.

And Brexit has affected lots and lots of business very very badly

Don’t see the U.K. government giving too much of a fuck


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Barry

Where's me hammer?
No , they are on holiday this time of year
Strikes are on autumn, just after they get back and just before the November holidays.


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It's one of the very many admirable things about the French, they don't fuck about collectively.

"Get the Holidays out the way lads, then sort the fuckers out just in time for the next holidays"

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Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
It's one of the very many admirable things about the French, they don't fuck about collectively.

"Get the Holidays out the way lads, then sort the fuckers out just in time for the next holidays"

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The Germans are similar.

You might notice, Lufthansa ground staff had a day-long warning strike last week, before the summer holiday period started properly.

They have a mandate for future strikes too, as do Lufthansa pilots, who voted for potential strike action this week, but that possibly won’t take affect until September, conveniently when the major German holiday period is over.
 
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