The Big BREXIT discussion!

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?

  • Geoff Hurst

    Votes: 22 44.0%
  • Onions

    Votes: 28 56.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .

DanR

Stuart Pearce
Re: EU Referendum

In.

It has to worth our while to have the benefits of trade agreements etc, over the expense of the political bureaucracy. If we could have more of the first and less of the second that would be much more sensible, but the EU has become a gravy train for some (the sorts who couldn't get a job with FIFA). We're already paying for enough wasters within our own governments and councils without having to stump up for Brussels too.

It will be a considerable challenge for the In/Yes campaign to explain the benefits in a way which enough voters will understand.
 

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
Re: EU Referendum

Yep. A lot will vote out "cos foreigners and immigration" let alone all the usual gumph about taking our jobs.

I'd let 16 year olds vote. It's their future.

Debatable whether I'd let pensioners vote. They're unlikely to have to live with their decision for too long and all the 80 year olds I know make Chubby Brown sound like Jeremy Hardy.
 
Re: EU Referendum

I'd let 16 year olds vote. It's their future.

Debatable whether I'd let pensioners vote. They're unlikely to have to live with their decision for too long and all the 80 year olds I know make Chubby Brown sound like Jeremy Hardy.
Yep, to both. The trouble is a lot of people have no idea about or intention to understand politics. My OH couldn't give a fuck, like most, till she met me and I rubbed of on her :hey:
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Re: EU Referendum

I reckon this thread is gagging for a poll!
At the moment I am undecided.
On the one hand I can see the trade related benefits of being in (although as we are not part of the Euro exchange gains and losses add to the fun and games of trade).
On the other hand I think that the admission of so many weak economy countries brings great strains onto the stronger economy countries.
The other massive negative of membership is that I cannot understand how there is so little accountability on the part of the Communities MEPs.
How many years is it since audited accounts were filed, without Auditors adverse comments?
The only worse organisation in terms of corruption, lack of compliance and poor/non-existent accountability is Sepp Blatter's FIFA organisation.
 
Re: EU Referendum

I reckon this thread is gagging for a poll!

I've added one. Stuck with the official question, but instead of swaying the vote with a Yes/No, positive/negative choice, I've used two neutral words to represent the options. I'll trust our informed polling demographic to deduce which is which.
 

EmmersonForest4

Stuart Pearce
Re: EU Referendum

Obviously out it's a beaureucratic disgrace.

-Unelected powerful beaureucrats who earn more money then the American president.
-Havent signed the accounts off for ten years
-EU Commision want an EU army
-Huge expenses that dwarf any uk politicians (there is a scandal in the making here)
-EU treaties without referenda (it's not up to politicians to determine where our sovereignty lies)
-The biggest part of the budget is spent on agriculture
-Britain loses 25 million a day to Brussels
-Britain is thought of as a nasty place even though we take in loads of economic migrants and give out so much money to the world and the EU.
-Were not in the Eurozone

I could go on and on from competiveness issues to fishing and the awful support for a Ukrainian putsch which Cameron went along with as well.

The only question you should ask yourselves is, is it reformable? Because in it's current state I find shocking you can support it only reform makes it palatable.
 

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt

Barbus

Steve Chettle
Re: EU Referendum

Obviously out it's a beaureucratic disgrace.

-Unelected powerful beaureucrats who earn more money then the American president.
-Havent signed the accounts off for ten years
-EU Commision want an EU army
-Huge expenses that dwarf any uk politicians (there is a scandal in the making here)
-EU treaties without referenda (it's not up to politicians to determine where our sovereignty lies)
-The biggest part of the budget is spent on agriculture
-Britain loses 25 million a day to Brussels
-Britain is thought of as a nasty place even though we take in loads of economic migrants and give out so much money to the world and the EU.
-Were not in the Eurozone

I could go on and on from competiveness issues to fishing and the awful support for a Ukrainian putsch which Cameron went along with as well.

The only question you should ask yourselves is, is it reformable? Because in it's current state I find shocking you can support it only reform makes it palatable.

I was on the fence, but you've helped to convince me...


I'm in.
 

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
Re: EU Referendum

Obviously out it's a beaureucratic disgrace.

-Unelected powerful beaureucrats who earn more money then the American president.
-Havent signed the accounts off for ten years
-EU Commision want an EU army
-Huge expenses that dwarf any uk politicians (there is a scandal in the making here)
-EU treaties without referenda (it's not up to politicians to determine where our sovereignty lies)
-The biggest part of the budget is spent on agriculture
-Britain loses 25 million a day to Brussels
-Britain is thought of as a nasty place even though we take in loads of economic migrants and give out so much money to the world and the EU.
-Were not in the Eurozone

I could go on and on from competiveness issues to fishing and the awful support for a Ukrainian putsch which Cameron went along with as well.

The only question you should ask yourselves is, is it reformable? Because in it's current state I find shocking you can support it only reform makes it palatable.

It's a good job that the UK system is a paragon of ethicality and democratic purity otherwise we'd be returning powers to something that's a bag of shit with unelected Government Houses, non-accountable quangos and a ridiculously powerful and self interested Establishment with Monarchical patronage as its perpetuating mainstay.
 

Project Zeus

Stuart Pearce
Re: EU Referendum

Whatever happens, I hope the voters are educated in the system that currently exists and the potential new one. Unlike that farce of a FPTP vote.

Though obviously it will desdend into scaremongering on one side and xenophobic nonsense on the other.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Re: EU Referendum

Whatever happens, I hope the voters are educated in the system that currently exists and the potential new one. Unlike that farce of a FPTP vote.

Though obviously it will desdend into scaremongering on one side and xenophobic nonsense on the other.

I am sure that the intellectual, yet understandable information regarding the pros and cons that will accumulate on this thread will ensure that the issue remains as clear as mud and pedant bigotry will determine which way most of us finally decide to vote. :lol:
 

EmmersonForest4

Stuart Pearce
Re: EU Referendum

It's a good job that the UK system is a paragon of ethicality and democratic purity otherwise we'd be returning powers to something that's a bag of shit with unelected Government Houses, non-accountable quangos and a ridiculously powerful and self interested Establishment with Monarchical patronage as its perpetuating mainstay.

You obviously think the EU is reformable and just like the UK the lack of accountability and democracy must make you feel sick?
 

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
Re: EU Referendum

You obviously think the EU is reformable and just like the UK the lack of accountability and democracy must make you feel sick?

I find the EU more democratic than the UK. It's not perfect but it's better than the semi reformed feudal system we seem to be unable to change.

And I dont mind Jerries that can run economies, they are better than the ones that sit in ermine robes in their council houses and wave.
 
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