The ‘I have something to say about Forest that doesn’t warrant its own thread’ Thread

[Steve B]

Of all the club’s f*** ups this season (and there’s a lot to choose from), the recruitment strategy around our defence has been diabolical.

The warning signs were all clearly there in the latter part of last season. We have no cover whatsoever. The recruitment team have spectacularly failed to address that problem which has exposed us badly this season.

I’d back us against anyone with our main 5 fit, but with even one of them out (never mind 2 or 3) we’re a mess.

Hopefully Luca Netz works out, but if we keep banking on Morato we deserve all we get.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Of all the club’s f*** ups this season (and there’s a lot to choose from), the recruitment strategy around our defence has been diabolical.

The warning signs were all clearly there in the latter part of last season. We have no cover whatsoever. The recruitment team have spectacularly failed to address that problem which has exposed us badly this season.

I’d back us against anyone with our main 5 fit, but with even one of them out (never mind 2 or 3) we’re a mess.

Hopefully Luca Netz works out, but if we keep banking on Morato we deserve all we get.

When Williams is back from suspension Netz won't get a look in.
And that is no refelction on Netz's quality.
It is a reflection on the blinkered approach of dyche.
"One for the future"... what a stupid thing to say about a left footed full back with >100 Bundeslega games already.

 

[Wayde van Kneejerk]

There was a stat that got a mention on Friday - Forest have lost all of our 90 Premier League games after falling two goals behind. Had been looking at this record after the win at West Ham - thinking about how close we were to going two down there and how unlikely it was we’d have come back from that. As football didn’t begin in 1992, the run in the top flight actually stands at 106 matches.

The last time we did rescue a game from that position in the top division was in April 1990 at Anfield in the 2-2 draw against Liverpool. We had already done the same to get a 2-2 draw with them at the City Ground three months earlier. Forest seemingly came from two goals down against the best side in the league that season twice and thought…’right, hope you enjoyed that because nothing remotely like this is going to happen again for at least another thirty six years’.

Two goal leads do get overturned in our matches, but they are always ours. Since that game at Anfield in April 1990, Forest have taken a two goal lead in a top flight game and failed to win (I make it) 7 times:

v ARSENAL a 91/92 3-3.
Clough, Woan, Keane
(3-1 up with 5 mins to go)

v LIVERPOOL a 95/96 2-4.
Stone, Woan.

v SOUTHAMPTON a 96/97 2-2.
Campbell, Saunders
(Le Tissier 89th min equaliser)

v ASTON V h 98/99 2-2.
Bart-Williams, Freedman.

v BLACKBURN h 98/99 2-2.
Chettle (p), Freedman.
(Blake 90th min equaliser…second consecutive home game where we led 2-0 at HT and drew )

v BOURNEMOUTH h 22/23 2-3.
Kouyate, Johnson (p)
(Anthony 87th min winner)

v MAN UTD a 23/24 2-3.
Awoniyi, Boly.

Not a happy record. That cliche that goes "this team never knows when they are beaten" is not one we hear said about Forest too often. We do know when we're beaten. It's at two goals down. Not exclusively, we get beaten by one plenty of times. But in the top flight at least..on the evidence of the last thirty six years...once the second goes in we are done.

I don’t wish to add to the doom and gloom of the weekend, but I posted something about Gibbs-White’s impressive penalty record after he scored at West Ham and he promptly missed his next one in Braga to put me back in my box. So if we talk about this miserable white flag waving record we have at two down, we can perhaps tempt the universe into giving us a barnstorming comeback for the ages to enjoy the next time a game looks lost.

We’re due. In recent years we’ve ended some unwanted records….finally been to the “new” Wembley (twice), won a play-off SF, made cup SFs, won at Anfield (twice)... this one next, please 2-0 down in the sixtieth minute at home to Wolves on Wednesday...absolutely mutinous in the stands...memorable comeback 3-2 turning point in our season victory for those who stick around to see it. Or against Liverpool in following home game for the perfect bookend to this miserable run, I'm not fussed. Just consign this one to the dustbin next, Forest please.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

We’re due. In recent years we’ve ended some unwanted records….finally been to the “new” Wembley (twice), won a play-off SF, made cup SFs, won at Anfield (twice)... this one next, please 2-0 down in the sixtieth minute at home to Wolves on Wednesday...absolutely mutinous in the stands...memorable comeback 3-2 turning point in our season victory for those who stick around to see it. Or against Liverpool in following home game for the perfect bookend to this miserable run, I'm not fussed. Just consign this one to the dustbin next, Forest please.

I'd rather we didn't go behind and found our own 2-0 lead and kept or bettered it. If we go 2 down to Wolves the crowd are likely to turn against the team.

 

[Eddie Yates]

There was a stat that got a mention on Friday - Forest have lost all of our 90 Premier League games after falling two goals behind. Had been looking at this record after the win at West Ham - thinking about how close we were to going two down there and how unlikely it was we’d have come back from that. As football didn’t begin in 1992, the run in the top flight actually stands at 106 matches.

The last time we did rescue a game from that position in the top division was in April 1990 at Anfield in the 2-2 draw against Liverpool. We had already done the same to get a 2-2 draw with them at the City Ground three months earlier. Forest seemingly came from two goals down against the best side in the league that season twice and thought…’right, hope you enjoyed that because nothing remotely like this is going to happen again for at least another thirty six years’.

Two goal leads do get overturned in our matches, but they are always ours. Since that game at Anfield in April 1990, Forest have taken a two goal lead in a top flight game and failed to win (I make it) 7 times:

v ARSENAL a 91/92 3-3.
Clough, Woan, Keane
(3-1 up with 5 mins to go)

v LIVERPOOL a 95/96 2-4.
Stone, Woan.

v SOUTHAMPTON a 96/97 2-2.
Campbell, Saunders
(Le Tissier 89th min equaliser)

v ASTON V h 98/99 2-2.
Bart-Williams, Freedman.

v BLACKBURN h 98/99 2-2.
Chettle (p), Freedman.
(Blake 90th min equaliser…second consecutive home game where we led 2-0 at HT and drew )

v BOURNEMOUTH h 22/23 2-3.
Kouyate, Johnson (p)
(Anthony 87th min winner)

v MAN UTD a 23/24 2-3.
Awoniyi, Boly.

Not a happy record. That cliche that goes "this team never knows when they are beaten" is not one we hear said about Forest too often. We do know when we're beaten. It's at two goals down. Not exclusively, we get beaten by one plenty of times. But in the top flight at least..on the evidence of the last thirty six years...once the second goes in we are done.

I don’t wish to add to the doom and gloom of the weekend, but I posted something about Gibbs-White’s impressive penalty record after he scored at West Ham and he promptly missed his next one in Braga to put me back in my box. So if we talk about this miserable white flag waving record we have at two down, we can perhaps tempt the universe into giving us a barnstorming comeback for the ages to enjoy the next time a game looks lost.

We’re due. In recent years we’ve ended some unwanted records….finally been to the “new” Wembley (twice), won a play-off SF, made cup SFs, won at Anfield (twice)... this one next, please 2-0 down in the sixtieth minute at home to Wolves on Wednesday...absolutely mutinous in the stands...memorable comeback 3-2 turning point in our season victory for those who stick around to see it. Or against Liverpool in following home game for the perfect bookend to this miserable run, I'm not fussed. Just consign this one to the dustbin next, Forest please.

I was at both those games v Liverpool in 1990, particularly enjoyed the comeback at Anfield as I'd recently seen us lose there 3-0, 5-0 & 4-1

 

[Captain Sinister]

I'd rather we didn't go behind and found our own 2-0 lead and kept or bettered it. If we go 2 down to Wolves the crowd are likely to turn against the team.

No.
I think the crowd would turn against the manager.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

No.
I think the crowd would turn against the manager.

But it wouldn't help the players if they did that either I'm sure.

 

[Captain Sinister]

But it wouldn't help the players if they did that either I'm sure.

I didn’t express a view as to whether this would be good or bad.
It would certainly add a toxicity to the atmosphere.
If we don’t win against Wolves I think EM will feel forced to take action even if the crowd doesn’t become angry.

 

[Wayde van Kneejerk]

I was at both those games v Liverpool in 1990, particularly enjoyed the comeback at Anfield as I'd recently seen us lose there 3-0, 5-0 & 4-1

Was at the home game. The whole game at the City Ground is on YouTube with George Best saying it was game over at half time. It's a classic. And the pitch was mostly mud.

 

[sammy the snake]

I didn’t express a view as to whether this would be good or bad.
It would certainly add a toxicity to the atmosphere.
If we don’t win against Wolves I think EM will feel forced to take action even if the crowd doesn’t become angry.

The crowd will only become angry if the players decide not to compete in what is a crucial game, when I say decide… it’s v Leeds in the first half. It’s those European games, but I can accept that to a point…
It will be very evident from the off. The crowd deserve respect and EM won’t f*** around

 

[Berkshire Red]

But it wouldn't help the players if they did that either I'm sure.

Apparently that's ok when the manager is Ange.

 

[Browser79]

There was a stat that got a mention on Friday - Forest have lost all of our 90 Premier League games after falling two goals behind. Had been looking at this record after the win at West Ham - thinking about how close we were to going two down there and how unlikely it was we’d have come back from that. As football didn’t begin in 1992, the run in the top flight actually stands at 106 matches.

The last time we did rescue a game from that position in the top division was in April 1990 at Anfield in the 2-2 draw against Liverpool. We had already done the same to get a 2-2 draw with them at the City Ground three months earlier. Forest seemingly came from two goals down against the best side in the league that season twice and thought…’right, hope you enjoyed that because nothing remotely like this is going to happen again for at least another thirty six years’.

Two goal leads do get overturned in our matches, but they are always ours. Since that game at Anfield in April 1990, Forest have taken a two goal lead in a top flight game and failed to win (I make it) 7 times:

v ARSENAL a 91/92 3-3.
Clough, Woan, Keane
(3-1 up with 5 mins to go)

v LIVERPOOL a 95/96 2-4.
Stone, Woan.

v SOUTHAMPTON a 96/97 2-2.
Campbell, Saunders
(Le Tissier 89th min equaliser)

v ASTON V h 98/99 2-2.
Bart-Williams, Freedman.

v BLACKBURN h 98/99 2-2.
Chettle (p), Freedman.
(Blake 90th min equaliser…second consecutive home game where we led 2-0 at HT and drew )

v BOURNEMOUTH h 22/23 2-3.
Kouyate, Johnson (p)
(Anthony 87th min winner)

v MAN UTD a 23/24 2-3.
Awoniyi, Boly.

Not a happy record. That cliche that goes "this team never knows when they are beaten" is not one we hear said about Forest too often. We do know when we're beaten. It's at two goals down. Not exclusively, we get beaten by one plenty of times. But in the top flight at least..on the evidence of the last thirty six years...once the second goes in we are done.

I don’t wish to add to the doom and gloom of the weekend, but I posted something about Gibbs-White’s impressive penalty record after he scored at West Ham and he promptly missed his next one in Braga to put me back in my box. So if we talk about this miserable white flag waving record we have at two down, we can perhaps tempt the universe into giving us a barnstorming comeback for the ages to enjoy the next time a game looks lost.

We’re due. In recent years we’ve ended some unwanted records….finally been to the “new” Wembley (twice), won a play-off SF, made cup SFs, won at Anfield (twice)... this one next, please 2-0 down in the sixtieth minute at home to Wolves on Wednesday...absolutely mutinous in the stands...memorable comeback 3-2 turning point in our season victory for those who stick around to see it. Or against Liverpool in following home game for the perfect bookend to this miserable run, I'm not fussed. Just consign this one to the dustbin next, Forest please.

To come at this same conclusion another way, West Ham was the 2nd time in 103 PL games in which we’ve gone in losing at half time and turned it around to win. So very often one goal is enough so long as they can get a cup of tea down them. I was absolutely staggered by that stat.

Spurs in 97 was the other

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Apparently that's ok when the manager is Ange.

I doubt that having a go at a player, the team, the manager or the club owners of any club helps their players if done during a game, regardless of who the target is.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I doubt that having a go at a player, the team, the manager or the club owners of any club helps their players if done during a game, regardless of who the target is.

I agree, although venting anger at Ange freed the Club from his dreadful tenure.
As we are now possibly becoming new favourites to take the 3rd relegation slot, I think we in the crowd have to keep on being positive in our support.
A negative display by the crowd, which is possible given how mass hysteria can turn normally reasonable individuals into a screaming mob, will only accelerate our decline.

 

[Flaggers]

Keep an eye on river levels for Wednesday - my spies advise that it's a bit ankle deep on the path under Trent Bridge right now

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

It was getting towards the top of the steps on the embankment a couple of hours ago.

 

[Wayde van Kneejerk]

I'd rather we didn't go behind and found our own 2-0 lead and kept or bettered it. If we go 2 down to Wolves the crowd are likely to turn against the team.

That really is a problem that for fans.

Obviously rather win 4-0. But if we do go 2-0 down against a side that has conceded 48 goals in 25 matches and our supporters choose to make the night more difficult for the team rather than get behind them to try to help them rescue something...what do we deserve ultimately?

 

[Gaz1980]

Re finances and if they worst happened and we got relegated - how much would we need to bring in from transfers to keep us safe for any financial danger?

Would £80-100m from an Anderson sale cover everything?

 

[Notcher]

Re finances and if they worst happened and we got relegated - how much would we need to bring in from transfers to keep us safe for any financial danger?

Would £80-100m from an Anderson sale cover everything?

It's difficult to say Gaz. It would depend on who we keep and what the relegation clauses look like re salaries.

The reality is we won't need to worry about finances because Anderson, MGW and Murillo will be off.

You can probably add Aina, Sangare, Williams and CHO to that list because they will all be sought after.

It will be a complete rebuild but we'll probably bring in about £300M of fees as conservative estimate.

 

[Gaz1980]

It's difficult to say Gaz. It would depend on who we keep and what the relegation clauses look like re salaries.

The reality is we won't need to worry about finances because Anderson, MGW and Murillo will be off.

You can probably add Aina, Sangare, Williams and CHO to that list because they will all be sought after.

It will be a complete rebuild but we'll probably bring in about £300M of fees as conservative estimate.

The vultures would be out in force if there are no relegation clauses and we needed hard cash to rebuild.

 

[Le Juif Rouge]

Former owner of Premier League club stabbed during fight to fend off masked robbers at £10m London mansion | Goal.com

Fawaz Al-Hasawi, the former owner of Nottingham Forest, is recovering after being stabbed by masked robbers during a home invasion. The attack took place at Al-Hasawi's London mansion worth a reported £10 million ($13.7m). The Kuwaiti businessman is best known in England for his time in charge...

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Fawaz attacked and stabbed.

 

[Notcher]

Former owner of Premier League club stabbed during fight to fend off masked robbers at £10m London mansion | Goal.com

Fawaz Al-Hasawi, the former owner of Nottingham Forest, is recovering after being stabbed by masked robbers during a home invasion. The attack took place at Al-Hasawi's London mansion worth a reported £10 million ($13.7m). The Kuwaiti businessman is best known in England for his time in charge...

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Fawaz attacked and stabbed.

No way Fawaz was letting them leave with that trophy and painting of him and Cloughie.

 

[Bryn Gunn]

Good old Fawaz, I bet he went windmilling into them…

 

[Strummer]

Good old Fawaz, I bet he went windmilling into them…

Wearing a Stone Island hoodie is my bet.

 

[Colh]

Wearing a Stone Island hoodie is my bet.

Has anybody asked Harry Arter or Jonjo if they have an Alibi