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Taiwo Micheal Awoniyi

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Grenville Morris
You think Rangers fighting for the SPL title and playing in Europe is a lower standard than a side that generally battles relegation in the championship? Ho hum.

So to be clear you'd have refused to take any of those players on loan and where exactly do you think we'd be right now?
Not looking for an argument Calvin but yes I do think the SPL is lower standard than the Championship, a couple of defeats to average European opposition every year doesn't mitigate the 85% of games against absolute tripe.

And no I wouldn't have refused to take the loan signings we had-it was needs must and it worked out well. But overall it is a nuanaced question with a bunch of different angles to it that's all...
 

Calvin Plummer

Viv Anderson
Not looking for an argument Calvin but yes I do think the SPL is lower standard than the Championship, a couple of defeats to average European opposition every year doesn't mitigate the 85% of games against absolute tripe.

And no I wouldn't have refused to take the loan signings we had-it was needs must and it worked out well. But overall it is a nuanaced question with a bunch of different angles to it that's all...

And we are also on a similar standing to Villa?
 

GreeksBearingGifts

Stuart Pearce
Think we only go for Davis if Villa lower their price a substantial amount. Awoniyi seems like he'll be the starting striker and plays somewhat similarly to Davis. And £15m is too much for a potential substitute striker.
With Surridge and Grabban as bench options, do you need Davis if you get Awoniyi? Isn't it an overkill?
 

Ashley

Steve Chettle
With Surridge and Grabban as bench options, do you need Davis if you get Awoniyi? Isn't it an overkill?
I doubt Grabban (if he stays) will get much game time at all. I think Davis offers something different to Surridge and Grabban, and is more likely to make an impact from the bench.

Even if we don't get Davis, we still need to bring in another striker in addition to Awoniyi IMO.
 

Danga

Formerly JLingz
With Surridge and Grabban as bench options, do you need Davis if you get Awoniyi? Isn't it an overkill?

I wouldn't say so, there is no certainty the latter is signing a new contract anyway. As we have seen, Davis can have a massive impact from the bench as well as a starting striker. With us playing with a front 2 (who do split wide), I'd say having 5, with a good mix of skill sets, age and experience is about right.
 

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Johnson aside, I'd say we need 4 out and out Striker options, Taylor will leave. I think Grabbs will sign on for another season. leaves one space for Davis or another.
And with 5 subs from a possible 9 on the bench you need plenty of options, preferably with a nice variety in there.

Must say I'd shit myself if I was a defender and I saw Awoniyi and Davis up front.
 

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
I wouldn't underestimate what those two stars can do to help woo a player, now that we are back up. If we can snag this striker and the centre back Diakhite, those would be two excellent additions, and neither is a huge fee (relative to what others of comparable ability would cost). The only potential downside is going to be developing the chemistry. These things do take time.
Not just as a club but as a league. The PL is the place to be across Europe now, unless you are playing for one of the clubs that are going for the title every year - then the PL is the place to showcase your talent.

We shouldn't have self esteem issues, we are a huge pull for clubs now. The club seem to know this and are capitalising on it. To get two very good Bundesliga players for around £25m and both at a perfect age, you would be doubling that at the very least from players in the Prem. Now we can take advantage of the world wide market we can compete with anybody in.

Shrewd signings so far, whether they are any good will remain to be seen - various factors can make a signing bad. But on paper we are doing all the right things and seem to be spending money smartly.
 

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Must say I'd shit myself if I was a defender and I saw Awoniyi and Davis up front
A defender's nightmare, isn't it?

That's why I'd still like us to sign Davis; chuck him on against tired legs alongside Awoniyi, a lot of defenders won't fancy it.
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Not just as a club but as a league. The PL is the place to be across Europe now, unless you are playing for one of the clubs that are going for the title every year - then the PL is the place to showcase your talent.

We shouldn't have self esteem issues, we are a huge pull for clubs now. The club seem to know this and are capitalising on it. To get two very good Bundesliga players for around £25m and both at a perfect age, you would be doubling that at the very least from players in the Prem. Now we can take advantage of the world wide market we can compete with anybody in.

Shrewd signings so far, whether they are any good will remain to be seen - various factors can make a signing bad. But on paper we are doing all the right things and seem to be spending money smartly.
It's arguable we're in the top 30 or so clubs in the world to be at now

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Grenville Morris
With Surridge and Grabban as bench options, do you need Davis if you get Awoniyi? Isn't it an overkill?
I think we need 4 strikers.
Realistically we are not going to get that much out of Grabbs I don't think at 35, I suspect he'll be used as a sub for his experience at the back end of selected games, but I don't see him starting that often.
As well as Surridge has done for us since January, its a massive step up in quality and I wouldn't be relying on him to score heavily next year. Not doing him down but I think he'll do best without too much pressure on him.
And that leaves the "new guy"-assuming its Awoniyi, who looks to have the attributes we need but you can't have him shouldering nearly all the pressure on his own in a new league, let alone the issue of injuries which will occur in a strong powerful number 9.

One things for sure if we don't score goals we will be going down, so I wouldn't take a risk in this position and I also think it would give options in terms of how we play-I'd like to see us playing a front 3 where we can because I thought we looked most threatening like that last year and I could see the right 4th striker fitting into a left role along side Awoniyi and Johnson...
 

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Grenville Morris
...Question is whether Davies is that 4th guy. I'd like to give him a chance, even though I think hes a bit of a risk in the prem, but theres not way hes worth busting the bank for IMO...I would go to 8M personally and if they want more walk away
 

GreeksBearingGifts

Stuart Pearce
OK, you convinced me, 4 strikers it should be. Even so, Davis (who will not be cheap) still feels like an overkill.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
It is simply staggering: realising the prices for players in the Prem... and the difficulty of arriving at a 3-way deal (player for wages & contract length; Selling club for the selling price they want; buying club for the price they want to pay).
 

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
OK, you convinced me, 4 strikers it should be. Even so, Davis (who will not be cheap) still feels like an overkill.
Davis is a no brainier if the price is under £8m. His all round game is fantastic and will translate to any level.

We are gonna be bringing 2 strikers off the bench in most games, we need players that can change games - and you are also future proofing for upcoming seasons.

If the worst happens and we go down, we keep the same squad and they will have enough firepower to bring us straight back.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Davis is a no brainier if the price is under £8m. His all round game is fantastic and will translate to any level.

We are gonna be bringing 2 strikers off the bench in most games, we need players that can change games - and you are also future proofing for upcoming seasons.

If the worst happens and we go down, we keep the same squad and they will have enough firepower to bring us straight back.
If Davis is such a well rounded striker, in a game where strikers are thin on the ground, how come Villa are not utilising his talents?
I appreciate Cooper has a great talent for getting the best from the players under his wing, but is there not something missing from Davis's game that cannot be put in by good coaching?
I like Davis, but I do wonder if h has the stamina, ability and natural talent to make Premiership defenders quake in their boots like he did Championship defenders (in a championship that last season was one of the weakest for a while).
 

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
If Davis is such a well rounded striker, in a game where strikers are thin on the ground, how come Villa are not utilising his talents?
I appreciate Cooper has a great talent for getting the best from the players under his wing, but is there not something missing from Davis's game that cannot be put in by good coaching?
I like Davis, but I do wonder if h has the stamina, ability and natural talent to make Premiership defenders quake in their boots like he did Championship defenders (in a championship that last season was one of the weakest for a while).
Because Villa have immediate ambitions to become a top 6 club. They can't wait around forever and Davis needs to leave to progress his career.

He played 70+ games without hardly scoring at all for them. That shows they believed he had the talent, they just didn't have the patience or ability to get it out of him like Cooper can.
 
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