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Ian Bowyer
donny said:
I've got told some stories about the head of PGMOL by former colleagues of his (both in his former profession, and former referees), that if I were to tell them publicly, may leave me open to stuff.
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I've heard a couple of things. Every single officer during that timeframe in Rotherham should be investigated.
 
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bearwood red

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The fundamental problem with VAR in football is that we now expect perfection in applying laws which in many cases are subjective. The pundits don’t agree most of the time because the big decisions are often not clear cut.

We need to stop looking for precision in an imprecise game and accept that we’ll never get 100% of decisions right. Personally, I would love to see the whole VAR experiment ended. We would get the odd howler as we always used to. But surely nowhere near as much controversy as we have now because there would be greater acceptance that refereeing is subjective and very difficult.

I would put the redundant officials on the pitch so we have a referee in each half (like
In hockey) plus the two assistants/linesmen. Between the four of them, they ought to be able to get most of the obvious stuff right.
 
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Timothy Pope said:
I guess it depends on the referee’s contract. Are their contracts the same as players or just like a regular employee?
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Er, well, Bundesliga officials, for example, are still "amateurs" and all of them have jobs outside football.

So, it's absolutely nothing like the Best League In The World(™)
 
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Rob1965

Geoff Thomas

Very interesting, bloke comes across as an absolute dick. There’s a fairly long interview on YouTube too. You have to wonder if he’s prepared to say that what is there he won’t say?
 
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Ian Bowyer
Rob1965 said:

Very interesting, bloke comes across as an absolute dick. There’s a fairly long interview on YouTube too. You have to wonder if he’s prepared to say that what is there he won’t say?
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He's a funny bloke. He tells a brilliant story about a pie man at Rochdale in a game he called off. He does the after dinner circuit and I think he adds a bit of salt and pepper on some stories but they're funny nonetheless.

The famous one he tells is about Ian Wright when he played for us.

 
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Geoff Thomas
PynchonForest said:
First, don't assume you can crawl inside a players head and think you "know what they are doing". I stopped doing that when I was a second year referee. What happend was the ball was crossed in, Milenkovic flapped his foot at it, got a touch and slightly changed the trajectory. As such, that touch gave Mbeunmo a get out of jail free card for the use of his own arm as it was in a "natural position". This is how the wording of the law is. Basically it says if A happens then B cannot be called if the player's arm is in a natural position. Which, in itself, is a curious bit of logic. Collina's unrelenting zeal to try and "perfect" the handball law has been a fool's errand.
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This is all plausible up to the point where Mbeumo makes no effort to remove his arm from the ball but instead uses it to trap it against his body.

Initial contact could be argued as accidental - it wasn't - but the extended contact afterwards to control the ball was obviously deliberate.
 
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Mbuemo should consider trying out for the Harlem Globetrotters, he's that good with his arms.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
There is handball where there is the possibility of discussion.

And there is Mbuemo handball where there need be no discussion. It could not be accidental the way it happened.
 
Nedski67

Nedski67

First Team Squad
Someone (I can’t remember who) made a comment about the PL being the best league in the world.

Not sure how that’s quantified - just because it has more money and attracts top players doesn’t make it “best” in my opinion.

There is cheating, diving, incompetence, arrogance, boring tactics to name but a few - I don’t know what IS the best league in the world but I’m not sure the PL is
 
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Nedski67 said:
Someone (I can’t remember who) made a comment about the PL being the best league in the world.

Not sure how that’s quantified - just because it has more money and attracts top players doesn’t make it “best” in my opinion.

There is cheating, diving, incompetence, arrogance, boring tactics to name but a few - I don’t know what IS the best league in the world but I’m not sure the PL is
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The Premier League has the most money, hence it in theory can attract the best players, who command the highest wages.

That does not make it, in any way, the best league in the world.

I want to be entertained when I watch football, not bored to death, and be forced to put up with a ten-man Greco-Roman wrestling competition at every corner-kick.

The downside of the Premier League is that there is so much money involved, compared to the Championship, that many teams go out with a mentality of "must not lose" rather than "play to win". And that detracts from the overall spectacle, which - in many cases - is very poor quality.
 
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John Robertson
Strummer said:
The Premier League has the most money, hence it in theory can attract the best players, who command the highest wages.

That does not make it, in any way, the best league in the world.

I want to be entertained when I watch football, not bored to death, and be forced to put up with a ten-man Greco-Roman wrestling competition at every corner-kick.

The downside of the Premier League is that there is so much money involved, compared to the Championship, that many teams go out with a mentality of "must not lose" rather than "play to win". And that detracts from the overall spectacle, which - in many cases - is very poor quality.
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I don't know about the "best" League, but it sure is the "toughest" League. It's definitely the most intense. Couple that with the money and sometimes you don't get the quality.

We finished 16th or 17th but most of our starting eleven would walk into sides in the top half of the other major Leagues. I'm pleased that they won't make it but I would have been interested to see Bournemouth in the Champions League. They'd ruffle some big feathers.
 
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Viv Anderson
PynchonForest said:
First, don't assume you can crawl inside a players head and think you "know what they are doing". I stopped doing that when I was a second year referee. What happend was the ball was crossed in, Milenkovic flapped his foot at it, got a touch and slightly changed the trajectory. As such, that touch gave Mbeunmo a get out of jail free card for the use of his own arm as it was in a "natural position". This is how the wording of the law is. Basically it says if A happens then B cannot be called if the player's arm is in a natural position. Which, in itself, is a curious bit of logic. Collina's unrelenting zeal to try and "perfect" the handball law has been a fool's errand.
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Come on mate, it's fine telling me not to try and get inside players heads but you're doing the exact same thing by saying that somehow you know it's accidental. He used his arm to control the ball, it was absolutely obvious and you could literally tell from his reaction as well. No one is mind reading, it was right there in front of you with the way he moved his arm and trapped the ball. I get it that Collina has set up a kool-aid drinking situation around things, but if people would just stop trying to call apples pears when we've literally seen them to be apples since anyone first kicked a ball in anger then this whole thing would be easier. Talking about getting in players heads is just management speak to explain away ignoring what is obvious.
 
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Wes' Organ said:
I'm always impressed by the number of electric wheelchairs in Hull, it's like the north circular in rush hour when you get near 'Spoons.
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It's not a proper Wetherspoons unless there's a mobility scooter parked outside it
 
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Master Yates

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Stuart Pearce
PynchonForest said:
I think the mechanics on long throwins are watched carefully. But managing five yard restarts around center is like standing beside a street and busting everyone who jaywalks. It's pointless. I fully expect the Notch to give me shit (again) for this.
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Picking and choosing which laws to apply again I see.... It's no wonder refs think they are a rule unto themselves.

If you can't take a throw-in properly, something I (a pretty mediocre player at best) managed at about 6 years old, then you shouldn't be taking them in a professional game.

It's not important until it is, then there's a hullabaloo about foul throws and IFAB's "solution" ****s up the game even more. We have a perfectly valid and enforceable law for throw-ins already, all it takes is for refs to apply it consistently, not be so arrogant to think they can decide when teh laws should be applied.

Your jaywalking analogy is nonsense too, because everybody on the planet outside of North America is capable of crossing a road sensibly and doesn't need a law governing this.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
We had a nice clean league with just manly kicking and tackling, then a certain German arrived who thought diving was funny and clever.

Then a certain German didn't want to spy in his own country so came over here.
 
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Jack Burkitt
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