Sean Dyche

JonnoSnr

JonnoSnr

Jack Armstrong
EmmersonForest4 said:
All depends though if you are scared of the players or taking on advice. For example if the players said to me that the manager makes us run too much and has banned gloves in training. Than that should be pushed back against because thats an absurd reason to sack someone. If the players make well articulated arguments that Dyche digs players out in front of other players and they end up being too scared to make decisions but in an articulate manner than thats fair.

I am not against consulting the players but you have to have the mindset that they are looking after their own interests so well within in their interest to deflect all blame to the manager.
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It's a very fine balancing act, you don't want to force a manager onto a group of players that they can't get on with. But at the same time the players shouldn't be able to just dictate what goes on above them.

At the end of the day though the players are the club's assets and have much more value than a manager.
 
weejockmcplop

weejockmcplop

John Robertson
JonnoSnr said:
It's a very fine balancing act, you don't want to force a manager onto a group of players that they can't get on with. But at the same time the players shouldn't be able to just dictate what goes on above them.

At the end of the day though the players are the club's assets and have much more value than a manager.
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TBH if the players demand the manager is sacked and then upon hiring the next manager fail to win in their first 5 EPL matches those players should be fired.
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
EmmersonForest4 said:
All depends though if you are scared of the players or taking on advice. For example if the players said to me that the manager makes us run too much and has banned gloves in training. Than that should be pushed back against because thats an absurd reason to sack someone.
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It's not absurd if the focus on running is so great that other things fall by the way side in training and are then exposed in games.
 
incapable hulk

incapable hulk

Best served cold
EmmersonForest4 said:
All depends though if you are scared of the players or taking on advice. For example if the players said to me that the manager makes us run too much and has banned gloves in training. Than that should be pushed back against because thats an absurd reason to sack someone. If the players make well articulated arguments that Dyche digs players out in front of other players and they end up being too scared to make decisions but in an articulate manner than thats fair.

I am not against consulting the players but you have to have the mindset that they are looking after their own interests so well within in their interest to deflect all blame to the manager.
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Do you really think Marinakis is scared of the players? 🤣
 
Strummer

Strummer

Es gibt nur einen
LTLF Minion
incapable hulk said:
Do you really think Marinakis is scared of the players? 🤣
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I can see player-agent negotiations with "Big" Evangelos being somewhat reminiscent of that scene from Tarantino's Pulp Fiction, set in the basement of Zed's store, and Mr. Marinakis in the role of Zed, and the hapless player/agent in the role of Marcellus Wallace.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
incapable hulk said:
Do you really think Marinakis is scared of the players? 🤣
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Everytime ex players go on podcasts, it is very much the opposite & they tell stories about the whole squad being terrified of him!

Considering the crap he has had thrown at him, it may be a bit of stretch to suggest he would be scared of footballers.
 
Browser79

Browser79

Geoff Thomas
Browser79 said:
Dream outcome from here: finish just outside the relegation spots a week or so before the end, win the Europa, Dyche gone due to the league form but fondly remembered for the Europa win, new man installed in June. Onwards and upwards.

Wake me up when it’s done 👍🏼
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😗
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Browser79 said:
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To be fair, he did stabilise our season, maybe he wouldn't have won 5-0 tonight but even when we did have Dyche most people were suggesting we'd win these two (when we drew 1 and lost the other earlier on).

Fair play for him to get the team scoring though again this does help we have players available.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
The guy is even crapper with hindsight

Look at how many points VP has won us with changes & tactical tweaks.

He never changed anything, ever. He was a donkey & just hoped something would happen, was a ridiculous appointment to begin with - I had a better gut feeling with VP, mainly because he is a competent football manager. Both Dyche & Ange were shocking.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Rzar said:
The guy is even crapper with hindsight

Look at how many points VP has won us with changes & tactical tweaks.

He never changed anything, ever. He was a donkey & just hoped something would happen, was a ridiculous appointment to begin with - I had a better gut feeling with VP, mainly because he is a competent football manager. Both Dyche & Ange were shocking.
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He never had the chance to pick Wood or really the opportunity to play 4-4-2 with Taiwo's bad fitness, Lucca being Lucca, and Jesus being not a striker.

4-4-2 seems like a typical Dyche formation so he probably, in fairness, had to adapt his tactics to suit already.

We won't know though
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Statto said:
He never had the chance to pick Wood or really the opportunity to play 4-4-2 with Taiwo's bad fitness, Lucca being Lucca, and Jesus being not a striker.

4-4-2 seems like a typical Dyche formation so he probably, in fairness, had to adapt his tactics to suit already.

We won't know though
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I genuinely do not get why you are so obsessed with defending him, what the hell were you watching that others weren't? He was shocking, he wouldn't have adapted anything.

He had a perfectly fit Taiwo at points, T would perform well, score a goal, and he would never select him again. And why not do something to address the problem? He did nothing at all to problem solve.

We are miles better under VP, even before Wood came back. He will constantly tinker and tweak until it works, and VP has won us many many points changing games. Just contrast the Wolves & Burnley games.

Dyche was one of the worst tactical managers I have watched at Forest, he was exactly the same as Hughton. Not even going to bother mentioning his man management skills, which were clearly lacking. VP came in and tried to put a smile on peoples faces, I wonder why.
 
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RedDogChris

RedDogChris

RedDogChris
I dont think Dyche was half as bad as Ange but maybe its a damning indictment with what the squad have shown recently, that I only thought we were 50/50 to stay up under him.
 
YatesehUltras

YatesehUltras

Youth Team
Sorry but some of the games under Dyche gave me absolutely zero confidence he would have seen us through a relegation fight.

There's almost too much to mention but Everton H&A, Braga, Leeds, Wolves and even West Ham showed that we were a sinking ship with seemingly no end in sight.

The difference between him and VP is staggering.
 
Mogwai

Mogwai

Viv Anderson
Rzar said:
I genuinely do not get why you are so obsessed with defending him, what the hell were you watching that others weren't? He was shocking, he wouldn't have adapted anything.

He had a perfectly fit Taiwo at points, T would perform well, score a goal, and he would never select him again. And why not do something to address the problem? He did nothing at all to problem solve.

We are miles better under VP, even before Wood came back. He will constantly tinker and tweak until it works, and VP has won us many many points changing games. Just contrast the Wolves & Burnley games.

Dyche was one of the worst tactical managers I have watched at Forest, he was exactly the same as Hughton. Not even going to bother mentioning his man management skills, which were clearly lacking. VP came in and tried to put a smile on peoples faces, I wonder why.
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In addition to that, wasn't Lucca Dyche's man? And wasn't Dyche at the helm when we loaned Kalimuendo out? Anyone think he'd have been more useful for us than Lucca?

I don't doubt Dyche's intentions. But his methods are absolute dogsh** for the modern game.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Mogwai said:
In addition to that, wasn't Lucca Dyche's man? And wasn't Dyche at the helm when we loaned Kalimuendo out? Anyone think he'd have been more useful for us than Lucca?

I don't doubt Dyche's intentions. But his methods are absolute dogsh** for the modern game.
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I completely forgot he literally wanted Lucca because he wanted a player that could head a ball, as the only thing we ever did was cross the ball under him.

It makes defending him for only having Lucca on the bench a silly argument, as he forced out the guy who was actually starting to look good.
 
Mogwai

Mogwai

Viv Anderson
Rzar said:
I completely forgot he literally wanted Lucca because he wanted a player that could head a ball, as the only thing we ever did was cross the ball under him.

It makes defending him for only having Lucca on the bench a silly argument, as he forced out the guy who was actually starting to look good.
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And the crazy thing is, Dyche is so goddamn stubborn, he still thinks he was right about everything. In his interviews, he doesn't overtly criticise the club, but implies that being sacked doesn't surprise him and basically that players having a voice is just a sad state of affairs in the modern game.

Personally, I'm glad that Marinakis actually asked the senior players how they felt things were going. It's not like the players organised a mutiny. They were asked and they gave their opinion. Thank god they did, because we've finally got a coach that can get a tune out of the squad.

I'm under no illusion that Vitor is the saviour or some kind of mastermind. But it's ironic that he's implemented decent tactics and made an effort to harbour harmony between the players, fans and club as a whole. That's getting the basics right.
 
Tricky Tourist

Tricky Tourist

Geoff Thomas
YatesehUltras said:
Sorry but some of the games under Dyche gave me absolutely zero confidence he would have seen us through a relegation fight.

There's almost too much to mention but Everton H&A, Braga, Leeds, Wolves and even West Ham showed that we were a sinking ship with seemingly no end in sight.

The difference between him and VP is staggering.
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Those two Everton games were what turned me. I still cannot fathom how their recent manager who had effectively assembled that same Toffees side contrived to set us up tactically on both occasions, only a few weeks apart, to play directly to Everton's strengths.
 
Masuka

Masuka

Jack Burkitt
We were crap under Dyche anyone who watched us on a regular basis knows he deserved to be sacked. I have no doubts we would be out of Europe and closer to the relegation zone if we had kept him.
 
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Berkshire Red

John Robertson
Osiris said:
Anyone defending this guy you have to laugh really

He was a shit manager and four managers in a season notwithstanding EM made the right call in getting rid of him
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Apparently he loves the club, and he had Woan and Stone with him. Though, f*** knows what they actually did.

We all love the club, doesn't mean we'd all be any good at managing it.
 
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