Sean Dyche

[Berkshire Red]

Would be interesting / funny if he got the Spurs job - think he would send them down. I really wanted Dyche, but every club seems to do better once he has gone. Think he is very one dimensional and glad he is gone.
He will get another job at some point, and then we can see if he has the ability to change.

I think folk asked that when he went to Everton with a better squad than he'd had at Burnley. They certainly asked the question when he came to Forest, Darren Fletcher certainly did - provided real backing for his mate.

The early signs were positive: Savona kept on popping up in unexpected positions to score and MGW was getting up to support Igor Jesus. Unfortunately the longer Dyche was here the less that happened. It was almost as though he was tempering their attacking instincts.

VP clearly gets this group of players, and right now they get him. That might prove to be incredibly valuable over the next 8 or 9 weeks.

 

[mysteryduck]

There just wasn't a way forward for Dyche. That Leeds game showed the players weren't willing to fight for him, it was such a miserable and spineless performance.

And obviously you can blame the players for not being professional enough, but even with the most professional attitude possible you're not going to perform as well for a boss you hate compared to one you respect.

 

[YatesehUltras]

The metaphorical train had come off the rails at Everton (H) really. I don't think I've seen a game as bad as that for a long, long time.

 

[Harry1982]

It's easy to make similar arguments under Dyche though. If Neco hadn't been sent off we might have beaten Palace and got more than we did v Leeds. If one of those in the Wolves match had gone in we would have won that. That's without even really trying.

Dyche's actual record is P25 W10 D6 L9. That's 1.44 a game which is 55 points a season. Vitor's of 3-2-4 (which includes EL) is 1.22.

Would we be in a similar position if we had kept him? Probably. He wasn't the answer but the one we have isn't much better if he is at all.

If Dyche did have time to focus on getting the basics right and did manage to achieve this, then we might have had more chance to see how far he could then have taken the team, if at all. At the moment it's very similar...

To be fair thats like saying would you rather hump a dull bird for the rest of your life or have one night with the FHM model of the year? Yes technically your blowing your nut a lot more but the satisfaction just not the same.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

To be fair thats like saying would you rather hump a dull bird for the rest of your life or have one night with the FHM model of the year? Yes technically your blowing your nut a lot more but the satisfaction just not the same.

I'd be delighted with either.

 

[Captain Sinister]

To be fair thats like saying would you rather hump a dull bird for the rest of your life or have one night with the FHM model of the year? Yes technically your blowing your nut a lot more but the satisfaction just not the same.

Does being a FHM Model of the Year actually gaurantee she is any great shakes at the horizontal jogging?
Asking for a friend, just in case the Mrs reads this.

 

[Rzar]

The metaphorical train had come off the rails at Everton (H) really. I don't think I've seen a game as bad as that for a long, long time.

He genuinely lost me in 1 game with that.

The setup was pathetic & the lack of reaction to it was even worse. That was the awakening when I realise oh my lord, this guy is genuinely clueless. Then similar happened again a few weeks later.

His decisions (or lack of them) were having such a negative impact on the team, everyone could see it, players included - whether you want to admit it or not, it's your prerogative.

 

[Tom W]

He genuinely lost me in 1 game with that.

The setup was pathetic & the lack of reaction to it was even worse. That was the awakening when I realise oh my lord, this guy is genuinely clueless. Then similar happened again a few weeks later.

His decisions (or lack of them) were having such a negative impact on the team, everyone could see it, players included - whether you want to admit it or not, it's your prerogative.

It was honestly the most I have fallen out of love with watching Forest since Hughton. It felt like a chore to watch us. Which is especially shocking when considering we are in the Prem & Europe!

I really disliked his personality by the end of it too, very uninspiring and talked a load of bollocks.

 

[Davie]

What made the City Ground game worse is he set us up exactly the same way 3 weeks earlier at their ground and got absolutely pumped. Dyche judged that as the model to replicate. Astonishing really.

 

[YouReds43]

Sean Dyche on Talksport with Jonny Owen.

 

[Shearstone]

He genuinely lost me in 1 game with that.

The setup was pathetic & the lack of reaction to it was even worse. That was the awakening when I realise oh my lord, this guy is genuinely clueless. Then similar happened again a few weeks later.

His decisions (or lack of them) were having such a negative impact on the team, everyone could see it, players included - whether you want to admit it or not, it's your prerogative.

I had the flu for that game and was 50/50 on whether I was fit enough to attend, decided against it and watched it on TV. Best decision I could have ever made, it was infuriating it watching it on the TV can't imagine how bad it must have been stood in the ground in the cold.

 

[Apollo11]

Sean Dyche on Talksport with Jonny Owen.

Talksport is bad enough listening to it on the radio, actually watching it is even worse.

 

['mist rollin in']

There’s nothing too controversial in what Dyche says in his post-Forest interviews. He can protect his brand by pointing out the sheer mess we were in when he took over and the fact that we were ticking over in mid-table in terms of form. I like Vitor, and I do think he is having a better impact on the players than Dyche - hopefully this starts to show in more positive results.

I don’t really have any animosity towards Dyche, he doesn’t appear to accept any responsibility for some of his tactics, but he’s not exactly going to admit that he got things wrong. He will get another job in management because he has a reputation for steadying the ship and that’s kind of what he did with us - it just got woefully turgid towards the end.

 

[Notcher]

Some interesting comments here.

Jim bellsniff White "when you went in did you trust that dressing room?"

Dyche: "I knew the runners and riders before I went there so it was no surprise the ones that spoke out"

White "So you knew the ones that said to Marinakis maybe move him on?"

Dyche: "you do your homework, you make your phone calls, I warned my staff, I said, right, this is how this rolls"

 

[TrentEnder1865]

It’s really funny how the exact same thing happened at Everton yet that wasn’t his fault either. I mean to be fair he did have the generational idea of crossing the ball ! Gutted he’s gone as that was really starting to work for us !

 

[Cureboy]

The problem with excessive player power results in what we've experienced as Forest fans this season, players can just choose to undermine managers if they don't like or agree with their methods and it becomes a circus. There's many ways players can undermine, one of which is downing tools, which then has an impact on fans who pay their hard earned money to watch the games, sometimes travelling all over Europe at great expense. Not saying players downed tools for Dyche, but you have to question some performances.

Putting Forest aside, as we will hopefully get lucky with it this season, I think too much player power leads the game down a bad path. It is what it is though, we are too far down that path now. Managers are compensated handsomely so I'm sure they don't lose much sleep over it either. What a fkin state...

 

[Rzar]

Did they ever undermine him though? They were desperate to win that Wolves game, as with many games under him. It felt like the players were constantly frustrated and hindered by what they were being told to do. I never saw a lack of effort.

The narrative of player power only comes because EM asked the leadership group what their opinions were when he was clearly about to sack him (he has done this many times before). They could have saved his job but would they have been disingenuous and had to lie to EM? I think there is a big difference between an owner asking the players for their opinions when he is about to do something than the players openly running to an owner to give their opinion. That would be player power, I don't think anyone but EM runs the club.

 

[Cureboy]

On the pitch possibly not, I'd like to think every player was trying their best (though that's debatable in a couple of games) I just think it came down to Dyche having to field too many fringe players due to injuries and they are just not good enough, coupled with some questionable tactics.

Thankfully, we seem to be in a better place now.

 

[JonnoSnr]

It makes no sense for an elite professional footballer to stop trying in order to get someone sacked. These have made it to the top of an ultra-competitive tree and I don't think not trying is in their DNA.

This is before you get to the impact on a career. There's wage cuts if they dont get moves, international selection is in jeopardy and it leaves a stain on their careers.

I just don't buy that players would down tools when the stakes were ao high, they'll have known Dyche wouldn't be here long term as well so they'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

He's just a shocking manager at this level and that's the top and bottom of it.

 

[Farmer Jack]

Got boring already.

 

[Monkman]

The narrative of player power only comes because EM asked the leadership group what their opinions were when he was clearly about to sack him (he has done this many times before). They could have saved his job but would they have been disingenuous and had to lie to EM?

This is the thing. It's not like EM would have been reluctant to sack Dyche, he just wanted to make sure the players were onboard - which I imagine he was already pretty confident of, being behind the scenes and not an idiot.

 

[Monkman]

He's just a shocking manager at this level and that's the top and bottom of it.

Much as I was behind the decision to sack him, I don't think this is fair. His record at this level is inarguably decent.

It's the never-his-fault finger pointing and general gaslighting (and the often horrific tactics, or lack of them) that lost me.

 

[Larry Lansbury]

This is the thing. It's not like EM would have been reluctant to sack Dyche, he just wanted to make sure the players were onboard - which I imagine he was already pretty confident of, being behind the scenes and not an idiot.

I agree. I think all this talk of EM asking players has been massively over blown to make headlines. Like above, very likely EM was going to sack Dyche and just wanted to ensure some of the leaders in dressing board were told first, he could listen to any further opinions and then do the deed. History tells us that EM is not someone who can’t make decisions and so this narrative that the players speaking to EM was reason why Dyche was sacked is rubbish.

 

[Notcher]

I agree. I think all this talk of EM asking players has been massively over blown to make headlines. Like above, very likely EM was going to sack Dyche and just wanted to ensure some of the leaders in dressing board were told first, he could listen to any further opinions and then do the deed. History tells us that EM is not someone who can’t make decisions and so this narrative that the players speaking to EM was reason why Dyche was sacked is rubbish.

This.

I also believe that it's actually contrary to the narrative about EM as a whole. If the players had actually said to him we've got belief in him and we'll turn it around under him then he would have stuck with him.

 

[Berkshire Red]

This.

I also believe that it's actually contrary to the narrative about EM as a whole. If the players had actually said to him we've got belief in him and we'll turn it around under him then he would have stuck with him.

But that doesn’t help the “poor Sean” narrative that the likes of Fletcher are trying to peddle. Apparently it’s all down to the players, and again, nothing to do with slopey shoulders Sean.