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Remo Marco Freuler + Trains thread

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YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
jervine said:
Would guess it's tunnel related?

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We still have a largely Victorian railway infrastructure, and larger DD coaches wouldn't fit into our platforms or through many tunnels and bridges.

They did trial some back in the 70s, but they were that small and narrow, that they were deemed non-viable.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Tiff said:
Double decker trains are everywhere in France , from TGVs to paris suburb to regional trains, don’t know why we don’t have them here.


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Same in Germany; many of the regional trains are the double-decker variety, although the faster ICE trains aren‘t, but those are longer of course.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Tunnels yes, also overhead cables (which account for about 25% of the rail network) - the support beams for which would need to be entirely replaced for them to be raised.
 
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Oldbill

A. Trialist
My son works for a contractor and he specialises in rail infrastructure and they were asked by the transport department to provide a feasibility study when HS2 was first mooted. They started at KX/StP and before they got past the first 2 tunnels on the line they told the DoT that the £8 billion bid would not cover the cost up to that point. The government just laughed, paid them their fee and got another company in to tell them what they wanted to hear. What's the latest cost of HS2?
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Tiff said:
Double decker trains are everywhere in France , from TGVs to paris suburb to regional trains, don’t know why we don’t have them here.


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They may have chnged the trains in response to feminist claims of upskirting, but the ceiling/floor in the double dekcker trains I travelled on in France had mesh grill ceilings to the lower deck. Apparantly it was a perv's paradise.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Captain Sinister said:
They may have chnged the trains in response to feminist claims of upskirting, but the ceiling/floor in the double dekcker trains I travelled on in France had mesh grill ceilings to the lower deck. Apparantly it was a perv's paradise.
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You'd think that would be a selling point for the average Tory councillor...
 
Tiff

Tiff

Matchday Squad
Captain Sinister said:
They may have chnged the trains in response to feminist claims of upskirting, but the ceiling/floor in the double dekcker trains I travelled on in France had mesh grill ceilings to the lower deck. Apparantly it was a perv's paradise.
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Never seen one with a mesh Mazzanine


Plenty of pervs on the paris metro though


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Steve B

Steve B

Jack Armstrong
I was on one yesterday in Austria, commonplace over here and have been for years. Their rail network faced the same challenges but the difference is they got on with it and bothered to invest in upgrades.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Steve B said:
I was on one yesterday in Austria, commonplace over here and have been for years. Their rail network faced the same challenges but the difference is they got on with it and bothered to invest in upgrades.
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Couldn't possibly invest in upgrade here...it would be diverting money away from where it's really needed - Tory party cronies' pockets...
 
Matt

Matt

Stuart Pearce
Don't talk to me about f***ing trains. Some **** turned the leccy off at Biggleswade and canned every train out of KGX tuesday afternoon, took me 7 hours to get home
 
Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
Double-decker trains. What a time to be alive. You'll be telling me we have wind powered ships next.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
Good to see that promotion and new software hasn't changed LTLF :D
 
jervine

jervine

First Team Squad
YellowBelly Red said:
We still have a largely Victorian railway infrastructure, and larger DD coaches wouldn't fit into our platforms or through many tunnels and bridges.

They did trial some back in the 70s, but they were that small and narrow, that they were deemed non-viable.
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I guess the UK (and England in particular) are now paying the price for being a (the?) world leader in the 19th and early 20th century. To be fair, they built things to last back then, but didn't quite have the foresight to realise the increase in volume and speeds required.
The London Underground is an engineering marvel, but you certainly wouldn't do it that way now (as an example).

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Canadian_red

Canadian_red

Grenville Morris
congo_red said:
The latest figures I've seen have phase one coming in at somewhere between £35 and £45 billion - with phase 2 sticking about another £29billion on top of that.
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It was always going to be a big one but I remember working on tiny parts of the design for some of the infrastructure for hs2 ten years ago.
 
Rosie

Rosie

Viv Anderson
I used to visit Amsterdam quite often, and a highlight for me was the trip to (and from) Amsterdam Centraal. Double decker trains. That left on time (to the second - I checked!) And were spotless. 😍

Then I made numerous trips to and around Germany for the 2006 World Cup. What a different world. Deutsche Bahn. ICE trains. Hauptbahnhofs that put UK versions to shame. I used to travel from NG10 to Leicester for work on the train, and all my friends on there got bombarded with photos and texts about trains in Germany, along the lines of “is it so difficult for East Midlands Trains to do this???”. Thanks for the topic swerve - brings back some good memories. 👍🏻
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Rosie said:
I used to visit Amsterdam quite often, and a highlight for me was the trip to (and from) Amsterdam Centraal. Double decker trains. That left on time (to the second - I checked!) And were spotless. 😍

Then I made numerous trips to and around Germany for the 2006 World Cup. What a different world. Deutsche Bahn. ICE trains. Hauptbahnhofs that put UK versions to shame. I used to travel from NG10 to Leicester for work on the train, and all my friends on there got bombarded with photos and texts about trains in Germany, along the lines of “is it so difficult for East Midlands Trains to do this???”. Thanks for the topic swerve - brings back some good memories. 👍🏻
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I spent a few years in and out of the Low Countries for work, and always enjoyed travelling by rail.

Deutsche Bahn, although the Germans complain about its delays, is head-and-shoulders better than the UK offerings, and has the benefit of being one single company, rather than 23 separate ones (or however many franchises the UK has now).

Germany is (many would say, finally!) investing more money into its rail network, especially the ICE Trains and in new stations - the new Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof should be finally completed in another three years, and Frankfurt is also going to build a new central station, these are massive projects, but will make rail travel here even better.
 
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Anubis

Guest
Dino said:
Double decker trains are commonplace in China, have been for quite a while.
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Where? There are very very old trains with beds in them that take tens of hours to cross the country if you are calling them double deckers.

If there are double decker high speed trains I’ve certainly not seen one, I don’t think it would make sense.

There are Japanese style bullet trains. “ high speed” trains, normal trains. Those old trains are not “common place”
 
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