Official Premier League Matchday Thread 1 - Newcastle vs. FOREST; 6.8.22 1500h

Newcastle vs FOREST


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gedlingred

Grenville Morris
Todays performance reading the reaction was relegation standard. I love cooper so I don’t care but we will have to be better than this obviously if we want to stay up

We weren't the only team who had an off day.

Relatively speaking, how much worse was our result and performance today than Southampton's, Villa or Wolves?

We at least had the excuse of having lots of debutants today.
 

football post

Geoff Thomas
Some random thoughts as I head home:

Henderson looked good but great strike or poor keeping?

Williams promising.

Worrall and McKenna both solid, nothing else to report as usual.

Niakhate clearly has good attributes but he looked nervous, improved though.

Toffolo better than I feared defensively, worse than I hoped for offensively.

Colback he tries hard but he looks short of quality. Should have been substituted rather than LO'B.

O'Brien thought he was our best player, great energy, read the game well, carried it decently and nice passing.

Lingard you can see the runs he wants to make, we just need more of the ball and better quality on it. Should have sat better on Guimaraes with his role.

Surridge I'd feel far happier seeing him for 20 minutes against a tiring defence than 70 minutes trying to lead the line.

Johnson he needs to learn how to be involved in games where we are struggling for possession or being denied space, it's going to happen a lot this season.

Newcastle looked really solid, if Almiron had a right foot he'd be top draw. Guimaraes was on another level to anyone on the pitch. Touch toothless up front but you could see them top 6ish with a top striker and a better right sided midfielder.

Nothing to panic about with us, team is going to take a while to gel and that while comfortable for them there is some promise. I'm not sure we can afford two strikers for some of our tougher away fixtures. Too many long balls too.
Funny how people see a game differently. I thought Colback was our best player and O'brien was poor. Hopefully next week we're not going to be having this discussion.
 

Liam Murphy

A. Trialist
So we lost 2-0 but I don't feel that discouraged. I suspect that 2-0 will not be Newcastles biggest win this season, they have some real quality and have a good chance of a top half finish.

We're going to take some time to gel, and I'm frustrated that we weren't routinely playing close to our first eleven in pre season. Like today makes the approach for the Notts county friendly look daft.

Neco Williams impressed me today and despite us conceding 2 goals I think we look like a side that's not that easy to score against. McKenna was great as was Niakhate. Henderson could be the signing that ends up keeping us up. I could see players like O Brien and Lingard do have really quality on the ball but the game wasn't really played in their half. I can't fault the effort, I think we gave it a go.

I do wonder where our first goal will come from. I guess really we will be in a mini league of the bottom 6, as long as we do well against them we should be alright. I was surprised that Bournemouth went and beat Aston Villa 2-0. We could do with Steven Gerard still being their manager when we play them in October !!

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BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
I was surprised that Bournemouth went and beat Aston Villa 2-0.
Makes our 1-0 loss against them last season look better, doesn't it?

All the promoted teams did well today. Fulham stood firm against Liverpool. Bournemouth won. Forest did as well as could be expected against a team that's full of momentum at home. Makes a mockery of those who said all 3 promoted teams would go straight down without a fight.

Hopefully they can all keep proving the 'experts' wrong as the season goes on. For me, Southampton are the worst team. Not sure about Wolves either. Everton, Villa. Maybe Leicester will be dragged into it too if they lose Maddison.
 

Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Makes our 1-0 loss against them last season look better, doesn't it?

All the promoted teams did well today. Fulham stood firm against Liverpool. Bournemouth won. Forest did as well as could be expected against a team that's full of momentum at home. Makes a mockery of those who said all 3 promoted teams would go straight down without a fight.

Hopefully they can all keep proving the 'experts' wrong as the season goes on. For me, Southampton are the worst team. Not sure about Wolves either. Everton, Villa. Maybe Leicester will be dragged into it too if they lose Maddison.
Think the perennial yoyo club tag to Fulham is a bit undeserved, they came up had to buy quality but trying to make a team gel when your getting spanked every week is disheartening. Now they have gone back down and clicked as a team and threw Liverpool off with their counter and press. I think Bournemouth will falter and don't think gerarrd has enough to stay at villa. I think we might be a Fulham but this team has quality in them but trying to get them to click with no pre season and results not going our way will be difficult
 

PynchonForest

Grenville Morris
Newcastle are better than a mid table side. They should finish top seven. This was a very stern test. On reflection, I think Coops was a bit idealistic with his tactics today. I don't think we can have three players up high if they are not getting the ball, and being involved. Playing two up top and dropping someone deeper into the mid may have stifled some of Newcastle's attacking thrust. Colback or Yates, beside two more mobile mids could be workable. Jack works his ass of out there, and he is a smart player, but the quickness of the Newcastle mids saw him wrong sided more than once. I don't think playing him at left wingback, at this level, is the answer. He'll get burned often against quick wingers. But I do not think we can play both Yates and Colback together in the center of the park. Mangala and O'Brien with one of them , I think, is workable. Today was a good first day lesson.
 

Gyros Peter

First Team Squad
Newcastle are better than a mid table side. They should finish top seven. This was a very stern test. On reflection, I think Coops was a bit idealistic with his tactics today. I don't think we can have three players up high if they are not getting the ball, and being involved. Playing two up top and dropping someone deeper into the mid may have stifled some of Newcastle's attacking thrust. Colback or Yates, beside two more mobile mids could be workable. Jack works his ass of out there, and he is a smart player, but the quickness of the Newcastle mids saw him wrong sided more than once. I don't think playing him at left wingback, at this level, is the answer. He'll get burned often against quick wingers. But I do not think we can play both Yates and Colback together in the center of the park. Mangala and O'Brien with one of them , I think, is workable. Today was a good first day lesson.
I think the hope is with the forward three that if we can get a grip of the ball in the middle we can break quickly and damage teams with our pace - I get that's a gamble, but really, I can't see us picking up points any other way in this league, especially initially while we bed players in.

For me the issue today in terms of playing that way is the O'Brien and Colback pairing - they're both decent players but too similar and without the speed or dynamism of who we were up against, who truth be told are just a far better side than we are now, had that home advantage as well as having the benefit of actually having played together before - you could see that through some of their passing play.

On to the next one - great to get so many debuts out of the way today. Next job is to bed them in, learn from today and hopefully continue to strengthen the squad - I know we've players out but a look at that bench today highlights how much more we need to do... I'm confident we'll do it but regardless, we are going to need time to gel/adjust to the step up. In Coops we trust...
 

Berkshire Red

Geoff Thomas
Are the whingers and doom-mongers out? Can't be bothered to trawl back.

Newcastle since New Year have been better than everyone apart from Manchester City and Liverpool. Their home form has been excellent.

Did anyone really expect a win? So we had 6 debutants? Not really a surprise that we struggled with patterns of play. It'll be like that for a few weeks.
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
Are the whingers and doom-mongers out? Can't be bothered to trawl back.

Newcastle since New Year have been better than everyone apart from Manchester City and Liverpool. Their home form has been excellent.

Did anyone really expect a win? So we had 6 debutants? Not really a surprise that we struggled with patterns of play. It'll be like that for a few weeks.
Newcastle will be challenging for the top 6. I think they'll be top 8 comfortably.

The way Howe has them set up, with the momentum behind them, I can't see them finishing anything other than top half.

We might be full of momentum and passion ourselves, but being realistic, we're not up to that standard just yet.
 
Only disappointing thing about today's game was that we didn't show a bit of composure on the ball and play some football at least in patches. It was a backs to the wall job for virtually 90 mins and the ball was given away far too cheaply, whatever you may think of Newcastle's prowess and the players they possess.

As has been said already, once the team gels together, this aspect should improve.

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Bruno'sMagpies

A. Trialist
And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how you post on an opposition forum :)
Welcome, Bruno'sMagpies - thanks - do please stick around.

Thanks mate, I'll try to. Unfortunately just seeing the name Colback sends shivers down me. Actually thought he did not too bad today but for us he was absolutely hopeless, master at chasing shadows before fouling a player he couldn't keep up with and hiding when we had possession. Hopefully he's better for you lot because as a CM for us he looked way off the pace and standard needed.

Back to today's game a bit we just never really let yous settle. You didn't have that confidence building spell of possession that teams usually get even if they are being dominated. It was kind of relentless how we pressed and seemed to win every second ball when you did go long. A lot of debutants paying together in the league for the first time against a team that's been drilled very well and full of confidence. There's no shame in that.

It still took a wonder goal to take the lead in the end, you defended pretty well with balls into the box and cut off the supply to Wilson really well before his goal. It was probably the quitest game I've seen him have against a non top 4 side.
 

Red Rooster

Viv Anderson
Disappointing and disjointed performance by Forest today. We looked pretty toothless TBH and Jesse Lingard did nowt special....perhaps we are expecting a Neymar type player given his enormous wages?

Just a team of individuals, not gelled as a team yet.... which the manager has to work on starting tomorrow

Big test will be at home next week vs West Ham, to see if we can play with the big boys?
 

It's Baggio

John Robertson
Miles off it all over the park. The biggest eye opener was the gulf in athleticism & physicality, an area where we were generally strong last season.

I think we might need to play an extra midfielder in some games as well, unless we sign an absolute beast in the next couple of weeks. Where you get that extra midfielder from though is unclear?

Hopefully just a blip & we can play with a bit more assurance in front of a home crowd next week.
 

JohnnyCarey

First Team Squad
On reflection, even though we were very poor and incoherent, there is some comfort in the performance of the defence. That may seem like clutching at straws, but if you factor in the relentless pressure they were under, they did okay. We all seem to accept that Newcastle could have had four or five goals, but they didn't because the Forest defence actually did a good job of holding back the tide. That may be a very important foundation for the hard road ahead.
 

HBB

Geoff Thomas
Evening chaps - I managed top avoid all football until watching MoTD this evening - spent the day on the beach in Cornwall - obviously disappointed in the result but for what they are worth my thoughts after watching the highlights were that we looked short of PL pace and PL quality.

Watching some of the other games the athleticism, power. speed and ability shown by the likes of Spurs, Liverpool etc is frightening and we looked well off it. I don't think Newcastle are quite there yet but they are well and truly on their way, and I reckon they're just behind the top 4-5 clubs. Howe is a top manager, really technical and that team was well drilled and on it today. So I don't think we should beat ourselves up too much.

Our aim has be not to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Newcastle, Man City etc we have to ignore the top 6 and take our beatings should (when) they come - our focus has to be on on beating the likes of Leeds, Southampton, Everton, Villa, B'mouth and Fulham. We've had a real baptism today and it wasn't pretty but we weren't a complete shit show (Southampton looked awful for instance...).

So time to knuckle down listen to the boss and work their arses off. Also can I say while today was chastening I'm glad we didn't have a complete meltdown (or did I just miss that?).

Oh and I don't think we can underestimate the amount of time it'll take for the guys to gel. Fulham looked really good today, their workrate was phenomenal and you could see they had a plan and system and everyone knew their role. We can and I'm hopeful will get there.

After all if we, as a set of fans, don't believe in miracles then who can?
 
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Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Nit taking the piss if mangal brings nothing more to the pitch then what we already have why did we sign him for 10 million plus? the same with twoniya? Could have got Davis for that amount. Something doesn't sit grea,
 

NFFC_Josh

Grenville Morris
Today wasn't great, admittedly. But I really hope we can turn the City Ground into a fortress going forward. Similar to the Leicester/Liverpool games and try our best to carry the lads. I feel like this season could be so important with the fans, and I believe we can play a big part on our new horizon.
 

cheapseats

Grenville Morris
Newcastle are better than a mid table side. They should finish top seven. This was a very stern test. On reflection, I think Coops was a bit idealistic with his tactics today. I don't think we can have three players up high if they are not getting the ball, and being involved. Playing two up top and dropping someone deeper into the mid may have stifled some of Newcastle's attacking thrust. Colback or Yates, beside two more mobile mids could be workable. Jack works his ass of out there, and he is a smart player, but the quickness of the Newcastle mids saw him wrong sided more than once. I don't think playing him at left wingback, at this level, is the answer. He'll get burned often against quick wingers. But I do not think we can play both Yates and Colback together in the center of the park. Mangala and O'Brien with one of them , I think, is workable. Today was a good first day lesson.
I think this is right. Newcastle are not only a very good side on paper, they are also well drilled and managed and have a very clear game plan. We couldn't live with them today and in some ways its one not to read too much into because there were clearly nerves++ amongst our lads that led to uncharacteristic sloppiness on the ball which we just can't afford in this league-coughing the ball up inside our own half repeatedly was suicidal. But that will settle.
For all of that though I think we need to take the warning signs in central midfield really seriously. We got absolutely chinned in the middle of the park today and at this level we have to compete- we can't hope to be dominated in the middle this year or we will get murdered by teams like this. I'd go so far as to say that maybe we need to sacrifice Lingard for a 3rd CM player away against decent sides-today showed that the front 3 are almost an irrelevance if we don't get some grip in the middle-and hoping that we can get Brennan in behind on the break will be much harder against better shrewder defenders...
 

Sal

A. Trialist
In relation to the midfield, the more I think about the decision to play what looked like a back five for much of the match the more interesting it gets. I actually wonder if we were aiming to walk away with a draw first up, or if we were just hammered into a back 5 by Newcastle's pressure . With everyone so deep we rarely got any connection from the wing backs to the forwards or any real midfield pressure. Newcastle worked around the outnumber nicely and plenty of time to pick their runs and through-balls. It's a vicious circle as a back 5 maybe reduces their outright scores (and it did, we easily could have conceded 4 or 5) but also makes it inevitable that we'll be guarding against a truck load of chances and no real field position threat to unsettle them at the other end.

I think there'll be a few more signings, and I also think a different shape once we have our preferred lineup.
 

Gyros Peter

First Team Squad
Are we the worst team they've played this season?
At this point in time we are the worst and the best.

Wingback wise getting pushed back into a five is always the danger, but in yesterday's case I think it's as simple as being pegged back by the sustained pressure of a better side. We were unable to get any kind of grip of the game - credit to Newcastle for that.
 
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