Official Premier League Matchday Thread 1 - Newcastle vs. FOREST; 6.8.22 1500h

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Our bench...

Taylor
Cafu
Hammond
Hennessey
Biancone
Mighten
Mbe Soh
Mangala
Awoniyi

That is grim

Cooper obviously knows we need quality and depth and fast. Hopefully he's on the blower to Dane and the Greeks as we speak.

We had Rob Rosario on our bench for the first day back in the Prem under Clark. Jason Lee started.

I agree it needs upgrading, but I also think anyone expecting it to be much better at this stage needs a reality check.

 

[mister]

Really mate

He would find something negative to say about winning the lottery

He's also managing to argue that our players are not up playing in the Premier League but, at the same time, we should have done better against a Premier League team.

 

[Mcbeth99]

Newcastle fan here. Your fans were great today, had some great craic with them before the game and during it they didn't let you down either.

I wouldn't get too down today about the game itself, at home we are a very strong side. The atmosphere around the ground since the takeover and the pressing style Howe has implemented makes it very hard for sides to play against us at SJP. Arsenal were fighting for fourth spot at the end of last season and we did exactly the same to them. Closing down and pressing very aggressivelystaright out the blocks and forcing them to go long. We are probably a couple of attacking players short right now of being top 6/7 contenders.

You lot had a lot of new faces and it will take time for them to gel and adjust to the Premier League. There's a big difference between the top 10 and the bottom 10 sides in the league, there will probably be 6 or 7 who could go down this season at least. You'll have a lot eaiser games this season and once you get the first points on the board the confidence will go right up. We've been in enough relegation fights to know you don't have to be that good to stay up just not as bad as 3 others. I can see yous being a much better side at home and a difficult place to visit.

Really hope Forest stay up anyway, great to have a proper club back in the league that has backed the manager and giving it a good go.

Cheers!

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Awoniyi and Davis are completely different players, Ive no idea why people still dont understand this. All you have to do is look at a highlight reel of each player.

Awoniyi need through balls, hold up play is not his game and I dont suspect for a minute that we signed him for that reason.

Id love to get Davis in looking at todays game though.

There's nothing to say Awoniyi can't make the ball stick more though, even if that's from providing an outlet to feet or just by running at defenders and shitting them up. He doesn't have to do it the same way as Davis. We just need someone who can make the opposition feel less confident about being able to attack us. That's why I said "offer some of what Davis did"

 

[BryanRoy22]

There's nothing to say Awoniyi can't make the ball stick more though, even if that's from providing an outlet to feet or just by running at defenders and shitting them up. He doesn't have to do it the same way as Davis.

I think Davis suits our system better away from home to hold the ball up, win free-kicks but also turn and run at people to take the pressure off the midfield.

Awoniyi will do well for us at home, where we'll be on the front foot and he'll be looking to run in behind with Johnson and Lingard.

I'm really hoping we can get Davis in before the transfer deadline.

 

[Haych]

Some people are gonna get themselves sectioned this season from stress as we will have a lot more days like today.

If you ain’t got a pair it’s probably best u check out for the season.

 

[Yeezy]

He's also managing to argue that our players are not up playing in the Premier League but, at the same time, we should have done better against a Premier League team.

By 'done better' I'm not for one minute saying we should've won. What I am saying is I was hoping we'd put up more of fight. I thought that we'd have a few shots and perhaps a period or two where we have sustained pressure, even with the players we had out there.

It was a walk in the park for Newcastle. Practically just an extension of their pre-season really. That disappointed me after all this build up and that's after I'd predicted defeat. God knows how deflated it must have left the more deluded on here that had us winning this by a few goals.

 

[Morpeth_Edgar]

3000 chap.

3001

 

[REDDERS78]

There's nothing to say Awoniyi can't make the ball stick more though, even if that's from providing an outlet to feet or just by running at defenders and shitting them up. He doesn't have to do it the same way as Davis.

I dont doubt that he could, but I doubt thats why he brought in.

Hes a player that likes to break free and use his pace, look at the Valencia highlights as an example. He needs a progressive midfiled or good through ball to run onto. He literally is the reverse of Keenan. Im not sure our play will ever suit him.....unless we get more creativity from deep.

McKenna has a vision to make the pass for Taiwo to run onto, weve seen it a few times already. If you want ball into feet and turn, hes just not that man.

Just my opinion mate.

 

[mattw]

After today for sure every supporter should be clear on the size of the task ahead. For sure though whether we can stay up or not will largely depend on whether we can win home games. We certainly need more Premier League quality in midfield and up front to have a chance in my opinion.

 

[BryanRoy22]

By 'done better' I'm not for one minute saying we should've won. What I am saying is I was hoping we'd put up more of fight. I thought that we'd have a few shots and perhaps a period or two where we have sustained pressure, even with the players we had out there.

As the Newcastle fan said earlier on in the thread, Newcastle at St James' Park are pounding teams better than us into submission.

Last season, Arsenal, who were looking to finish in the top 4 got absolutely battered like we did today.

It was only 2-0 and could have been 4 or 5. A bit like us today. That's just to give some perspective. We are a promoted side and some people are expecting us to do better than Arsenal, an established team in the top flight for more than 100 years.

 

[Flagman]

Some are already on Awoniyi's back after pre season starting him in this would have almost certainly had the same result as Surridge had, how do you think the fans would have reacted to Awoniyi being subbed off after 65 mins without a shot on target?

Yeah, but remember, some of our 'fans', especially on Twatter, are dickheads.

 

[youreds1986]

After today for sure every supporter should be clear on the size of the task ahead. For sure though whether we can stay up or not will largely depend on whether we can win home games. We certainly need more Premier League quality in midfield and up front to have a chance in my opinion.

That's my takeaway.

Those predicting top half finishes are going to be wide of the mark.

Avoiding relegation on goal difference would be a GREAT season.

 

[Flagman]

Newcastle fan here. Your fans were great today, had some great craic with them before the game and during it they didn't let you down either.

I wouldn't get too down today about the game itself, at home we are a very strong side. The atmosphere around the ground since the takeover and the pressing style Howe has implemented makes it very hard for sides to play against us at SJP. Arsenal were fighting for fourth spot at the end of last season and we did exactly the same to them. Closing down and pressing very aggressivelystaright out the blocks and forcing them to go long. We are probably a couple of attacking players short right now of being top 6/7 contenders.

You lot had a lot of new faces and it will take time for them to gel and adjust to the Premier League. There's a big difference between the top 10 and the bottom 10 sides in the league, there will probably be 6 or 7 who could go down this season at least. You'll have a lot eaiser games this season and once you get the first points on the board the confidence will go right up. We've been in enough relegation fights to know you don't have to be that good to stay up just not as bad as 3 others. I can see yous being a much better side at home and a difficult place to visit.

Really hope Forest stay up anyway, great to have a proper club back in the league that has backed the manager and giving it a good go.

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[Yeezy]

As the Newcastle fan said earlier on in the thread, Newcastle at St James' Park are pounding teams better than us into submission.

Last season, Arsenal, who were looking to finish in the top 4 got absolutely battered like we did today.

It was only 2-0 and could have been 4 or 5. A bit like us today. That's just to give some perspective. We are a promoted side and some people are expecting us to do better than Arsenal, an established team in the top flight for more than 100 years.

To be honest my head is in a spin. I've been glued to all things Forest this summer, been posting here, set up a twitter for transfer updates, subscribed and listened to all the podcasts etc.

Whilst I didn't expect us to win I think the one-sided manner of the defeat after all the build up has just left me flat as a pancake.

Perhaps I need a break from here just to gather my thoughts.

 

[BryanRoy22]

To be honest my head is in a spin. I've been glued to all things Forest this summer, been posting here, set up a twitter for transfer updates, subscribed and listened to all the podcasts etc.

Whilst I didn't expect us to win I think the one-sided manner of the defeat after all the build up has just left me flat as a pancake.

Perhaps I need a break from here just to gather my thoughts.

It was the toughest first game for Forest to have to deal with. Other than City or Liverpool away.

Newcastle are riding a wave of positivity since their new owners and Howe arrived.

Considering we have players still getting to know each other, a 2-0 loss is not bad at all.

Let's see what happens next week against West Ham at home. That'll give us a better idea.

 

[Yeezy]

It was the toughest first game for Forest to have to deal with. Other than City or Liverpool away.

Newcastle are riding a wave of positivity since their new owners and Howe arrived.

Considering we have players still getting to know each other, a 2-0 loss is not bad at all.

Let's see what happens next week against West Ham at home. That'll give us a better idea.

Fair enough. Right I need a beer

 

[Collymore!]

Good to see common sense overall… right, back to the MGW thread

 

[Mr. Blonde]

To be honest my head is in a spin. I've been glued to all things Forest this summer, been posting here, set up a twitter for transfer updates, subscribed and listened to all the podcasts etc.

Whilst I didn't expect us to win I think the one-sided manner of the defeat after all the build up has just left me flat as a pancake.

Perhaps I need a break from here just to gather my thoughts.

You're entitled to your opinion mate, and don't let anyone in life ever tell you otherwise

 

[mattw]

It was the toughest first game for Forest to have to deal with. Other than City or Liverpool away.

Newcastle are riding a wave of positivity since their new owners and Howe arrived.

Considering we have players still getting to know each other, a 2-0 loss is not bad at all.

Let's see what happens next week against West Ham at home. That'll give us a better idea.

No Newcastle are not a top team, there are others better other than Abu Dhabi and Scouse. West Ham are a better team for one, Spurs certainly are. We are at home though next week. Whether we can bridge the gap in home games will give an idea whether survival is realistic or not.

 

[ArthurD]

I was hoping for a miracle but from what I've read today it went down how I thought it would, the strongest area was the defence and moving the ball forward was always going to be an issue.
Running through the numbers before the game reduced my expectations, we aren't going from a standing start we are going from on our heels...or taking our tracksuit off. A lot of players being worked quickly into a side in a super evolutionary league where even the mid table sides are spending huge amounts of money is not going to be easy, today just underlines that.
It's what we can take away from the game that matters, if the foundations aren't there we are in trouble but if the side can learn then we have a chance of at least competing. I hope we show more next week.

 

[mattw]

Good to see common sense overall… right, back to the MGW thread

White played for Wolves today. They will only sell for silly money. Hopefully we have other targets.

 

[RedDogChris]

I didn't have too many hopes today either, it was against a side who have lost once at home in the calender year and it was also a good time for them to play us.

I think next week will give us much more of an idea, I'm hoping to get off the mark with even a point and some positive passages of play

 

[Rzar]

No Newcastle are not a top team, there are others better other than Abu Dhabi and Scouse. West Ham are a better team for one, Spurs certainly are. We are at home though next week. Whether we can bridge the gap in home games will give an idea whether survival is realistic or not.

I think he meant at home

Only Liverpool have taken more points than them at home in 2022

 

[Rzar]

White played for Wolves today. They will only sell for silly money. Hopefully we have other targets.

TBF I wouldn't read too much into him playing, they have quite literally run out of players