Nicolò Savona

[Indored]

Let’s be honest, picking up the Murillos of this world is a hit and miss thing, you just never know how they will cope in the PL.
Savona looks like a decent player for the future but he needs game time to improve.
If his injury is over and he can take part in the pre season we should have a more than decent player who we either use or are looking to sell for a profit, forget what he cost but can’t be on massive wages but could help us and become Ainas back up or replacement, also could be seen as a future CB, we just don’t know.
If I see his name on the team sheet I wouldn’t be worried so no real need to sell him, like most young players needs time and minutes.
Keep him as he just may have a bright future ahead, along with a decent profit margin.

 

[JonnoSnr]

Looked decent if a bit raw. I'd be considering any offers that come in.

One of those similar to Morato where if he's still here in September I wouldn't be disappointed but I certainly wouldn't lose my shit if he was sold either.

 

[Eddie Yates]

Is he in the Italian WC squad

 

[Abdooonk]

We haven’t seen much of him at CB but far too slow for a full back. Skinned much too easily by any sort of winger. Scored a goal or two and crosses the ball well but think his defensive frailties outweigh this.

 

[GOBIAS]

We haven’t seen much of him at CB but far too slow for a full back. Skinned much too easily by any sort of winger. Scored a goal or two and crosses the ball well but think his defensive frailties outweigh this.

Yeah I think he’s ok, but if we are talking of him as a right back I don’t think he has the right build or the right attributes to be a modern right back, certainly not your first choice one. If he was a good back up centre back I’d keep him. But not sure what he is like as a back up centre back.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

I think as a fanbase we seem to overplay the ‘time to settle in’ line. Savona looked decent, but by no means indispensable.

Best league in the world, hardest, fastest and most competitive.
We want to follow the Brighton or Brentford model of developing players.
Very young men moving to a new country and culture, leaving family and friends behind, often having to learn a new language.
The pressure of a large transfer fee and the expectation that comes with it.

Being Nottingham Forest we chuck in 4 managers in one season for good measure.

Some of our fan-base then look at these players and claim not good enough for Nottingham Forest after 5 starts and a handful of sub appearances over a full season.

I'm thinking the problem here is that not enough people accept it takes time to settle in. Brighton and Brentford seem to build the settling in time into their development model. Maybe we should too.

 

[Est.1865]

We haven’t seen much of him at CB but far too slow for a full back. Skinned much too easily by any sort of winger. Scored a goal or two and crosses the ball well but think his defensive frailties outweigh this.

Yep, caught out defensively, doesn’t seem to have top level defensive instincts, but looked much better going forward. Better RWB than RB perhaps.

Either way, I don’t think it’s make or break if we keep/sell him.

I’m probably in the minority thinking we need to upgrade at RB anyway.

 

[Est.1865]

I'm thinking the problem here is that not enough people accept it takes time to settle in. Brighton and Brentford seem to build the settling in time into their development model. Maybe we should too.

Maybe we should, I’m not familiar with examples of players from those clubs that get a season or two to settle in ? I look at a player like Rayan signing for Bournemouth and instantly being impactful. Don’t think he needed 2 years to settle in. More like 2 days.

 

[Monkman]

Again I just think it's a case of unrealistic optimism about future transfers. Sure, sell him and take another £11m punt on another young RB to use occasionally as backup to Aina. Is this new player going to be better than Savona? Maybe - but he could just as likely be worse.

 

[GregorRobertson]

Best league in the world, hardest, fastest and most competitive.
We want to follow the Brighton or Brentford model of developing players.
Very young men moving to a new country and culture, leaving family and friends behind, often having to learn a new language.
The pressure of a large transfer fee and the expectation that comes with it.

Being Nottingham Forest we chuck in 4 managers in one season for good measure.

Some of our fan-base then look at these players and claim not good enough for Nottingham Forest after 5 starts and a handful of sub appearances over a full season.

I'm thinking the problem here is that not enough people accept it takes time to settle in. Brighton and Brentford seem to build the settling in time into their development model. Maybe we should too.

Yep this. It’s bonkers. Then once the season is underway and the window is closed it’s “wHy CaNt wE Be mOrE LiKe bOuRneMouTh aNd BrEntFord?”. It’s because they allow players (and managers) time.

 

[GregorRobertson]

Maybe we should, I’m not familiar with examples of players from those clubs that get a season or two to settle in ? I look at a player like Rayan signing for Bournemouth and instantly being impactful. Don’t think he needed 2 years to settle in. More like 2 days.

One example.

 

[Rzar]

Maybe we should, I’m not familiar with examples of players from those clubs that get a season or two to settle in ? I look at a player like Rayan signing for Bournemouth and instantly being impactful. Don’t think he needed 2 years to settle in. More like 2 days.

What are you talking about! You seem to have no understanding of PL football. You just cherry pick examples that suit your argument, the fact is they are the perfect examples of clubs that persist with players.

Igor Thiago, would have been destined for the scrapheap here after an injury hit first season

Shade, absolute rubbish in his 1st season

Damsgaard, see above

Lewis Potter, didn’t adapt to PL football at all, only started recently playing well

Kayode, was all over the place defensively when he first joined

Senesi, barely played any football last season after going down the pecking order

Evanilson, generally been average

Diakhite, who?

Kerkez had a poor first season (and has again at Liverpool)

Semenyo got 1 goal in his first season

Zabarnyi was 4th choice in his first season

Do you want me to continue and go over every club in the division & find 9-10 examples each or do you want me to stop?

There is no correlation between bedding in time & how good a player becomes, Rodri had a poor first season at City & became the best midfielder in the world. It happens when it happens, I would definitely keep Savona. He positively impacted a lot of games for us.

 

[Est.1865]

You seem to have no understanding of PL football.

Nah, I think I’m good with that thanks. Didn’t read the rest.

What I don’t understand is the outcry if we flipped Savona back to Italy in what would be a cost neutral deal say, and brought someone else in.

It’s a simple eye test with Savona. He lacks basic defensive instincts, turning circle of one of EMs tankers. Looks a great lad though, eye for goal.

Sell or keep, not that excited. Ideally I’d want an upgrade to challenge Aina more.

 

[Berkshire Red]

Spot on! Yet folk claim we give too much time!!

We're known for being impatient.

 

[JonnoSnr]

Best league in the world, hardest, fastest and most competitive.
We want to follow the Brighton or Brentford model of developing players.
Very young men moving to a new country and culture, leaving family and friends behind, often having to learn a new language.
The pressure of a large transfer fee and the expectation that comes with it.

Being Nottingham Forest we chuck in 4 managers in one season for good measure.

Some of our fan-base then look at these players and claim not good enough for Nottingham Forest after 5 starts and a handful of sub appearances over a full season.

I'm thinking the problem here is that not enough people accept it takes time to settle in. Brighton and Brentford seem to build the settling in time into their development model. Maybe we should too.

It's a difficult balance to find because the player is a financial asset as well and the club has PSR/SCR to consider.

Some players take longer than others to settle but some never settle and if you're not careful you could be waiting forever whilst the assets value depreciates.

At the end of the day this is elite level sport, it's brutal at times and there's too much money at stake to just allow everyone under a certain age, years and years to see if they settle.

 

[Any Time Now]

Ideally you drip feed players into a settled core, our defence has been the most stable aspect of our team for a while and it's allowed us to get a good return out of individuals like Morato/Savona/Netz/Cunha when necessary. They've mostly been able to slot in and perform in an organized defence

We tried to overhaul our attack with too many players at once Hutchinson/Ndoye/Jesus/Bakwa/Kalimuendo was basically rebuilding our entire forward line within one window, it's not too surprising it took up until the back end of the season for them to get going. They've had to do it the hard way

 

[Est.1865]

It's a difficult balance to find because the player is a financial asset as well and the club has PSR/SCR to consider.

Some players take longer than others to settle but some never settle and if you're not careful you could be waiting forever whilst the assets value depreciates.

Correct, Savona is at this stage. He still holds value. Ndoye the same. Both converted in Italy still.

Another poor/average season in the PL for both, you can write off 25% on player value easily. Plus you’ve taken a hit in 26/27.

That’s why churn is part of the PL game, but what do I know

 

[Monkman]

Nah, I think I’m good with that thanks. Didn’t read the rest.

You asked for examples and he gave you loads in a well formatted list, you should read it

 

[Statto]

Nah, I think I’m good with that thanks. Didn’t read the rest.

What I don’t understand is the outcry if we flipped Savona back to Italy in what would be a cost neutral deal say, and brought someone else in.

It’s a simple eye test with Savona. He lacks basic defensive instincts, turning circle of one of EMs tankers. Looks a great lad though, eye for goal.

Sell or keep, not that excited. Ideally I’d want an upgrade to challenge Aina more.

He has something though, and let's not forget he is still relatively young and ended up in the team probably ahead of what he was signed to do this season because of Aina's injury.

Who else on here remembers Spurs signing a young left back from Southampton, who then went about 25 matches without being on a winning side, and then what happened next? Not saying the two players are directly comparable like that but I'm sure their fans were grumbling at the time.

 

[Est.1865]

You asked for examples and he gave you loads in a well formatted list, you should read it

there will be plenty of examples both ways, I’m kinda fine with Savona, but the insistence that we must keep him to see if he settles in is a bit strange to me, especially if there ends up being money on the table for him.

Half the board can’t figure out if he’s a RB or CB. Felt to me like he was brought in as a RB who could provide emergency cover at RCB, and would add value in Europe. Cuhna has nailed the RCB depth place, and Europe isn’t an issue for now….

 

[derbyshirered]

Keep

 

[Est.1865]

He has something though

Agree he does. Perhaps it’s the make up of that wider back 4, him and Milenkovic on the right side would be a bit lacking pace for me, but yes agree, he’s got something about him.

The size of any offer would factor into my keep/sell view.

 

[Monkman]

there will be plenty of examples both ways, I’m kinda fine with Savona, but the insistence that we must keep him to see if he settles in is a bit strange to me, especially if there ends up being money on the table for him.

Half the board can’t figure out if he’s a RB or CB. Felt to me like he was brought in as a RB who could provide emergency cover at RCB, and would add value in Europe. Cuhna has nailed the RCB depth place, and Europe isn’t an issue for now….

I think for me it's more the principle of some fans wanting to flip every new signing if they don't set the league alight, and take another punt, like that's any more likely to pay dividends.

Like we sell Savona this summer and sign Jean-Claude Rightbaque, an unknown 20-year-old French RB. He plays a few games when Aina's injured, manages ok without being completely convincing, then next summer rinse and repeat.

 

[Est.1865]

Rightbaque

 

[Monkman]

Fully expect a new [BUPA] Jean-Claude Rightbaque thread to appear shortly