Dirk Furtull
Stuart Pearce
He's gone, f' him.
Much Edu about nothing…
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justnotjase
Geoff Thomas
Has the club ever confirmed that he has gone?
Nope, and don't think he technically has yet - all the reports have been "gardening leave"
Dirk Furtull
Stuart Pearce
There's a reason the big man f'd him off so I'm not quite sure why anyone is wondering if he needs a reappraisal. We're clearly doing much better without him why ever that might be.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Edu was involved with these though. He may not have been in situ but most certainly his knowledge would have been used for these.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
The big man also fecked off Syrianos. Than came crawling back to him.
Dirk Furtull
Stuart Pearce
You think he'll do that with Edu?
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
You make good points all I would say it all depends what Maranakis said. I think it was obvious Edu followed Maranakis’s orders as Nuno went and not Edu. Maranakis wanted to change the way we played and directed Edu to do that. Nuno didn’t want to do it and kicked off with Edu. Problem was not that the players needed development time but we employed 2 absolute crocks of managers in Ange and Dyche.
If Edu picked those managers than fair and it’s a reason to get him rid but I just think the player recruitment is actually much better than we give it credit for.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I don’t know all I’m saying is the quality of players that was bought in summer is better than many reds give him credit for. Don’t get me wrong though if edu chose Dyche and Ange than that’s a big mistake. So I can see him getting the chop for that if he did that.
Sure, he might have been asked his opinion, but overall I'm not convinced Edu deserves any credit (or for that matter blame) for the various Botafogo/Lyon deals we did. By the same token it's not his fault that Cuiabano appears to be nowhere near the standard.
From the outside, these just appear to be a continuation of the Marinakis / Textor "relationship" that we've mostly benefitted so much from over several years now. In the specific case of Jesus and Cunha, this seems especially true - The deals were arranged over a month before Edu started work and the announcements delayed because of the Club World Cup.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
I'm not sure all that much has changed from a few weeks back where Edu was the pantomime villian and the players he brought in weren't good enough.
Jesus, Cunha, Savona were all punts that seem to have played out well. Zinchenko, Luis, Bakwa, Ndoye, McAtee, Kalimuendo were, and still are at least for now, flops, flops that we spent £125m on compared to the £25m worth of punts that have done OK.
Hutchinson is the only player that has moved out of the flop category for me, and that's only to "OK" category given his price tag.
Netz has been a good signing for a million quid but wasn't down to Edu's involvement.
Berkshire Red
John Robertson
Who knows about Cuiabano? Dyche ditched him, means nothing, he didn't select Jair Cunha.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Guess Syrianos getting involved with the Netz transfer goes someway to thinking the wider club don't think all that much about him.
GaryCrosbysStepOver
Geoff Thomas
It’s fair to say that last summers signings all took a long time to settle in. Even now, barely any of them are established. Why this is, I’ve no idea. Some of them like McAtee haven’t really got a gap ahead of them in the team so can’t get a run of games. Others (Omari, Jesus) have had lots of games but been inconsistent. If we can stay up, I hope we can have a summer of smooth transition rather than a revolving door. And I want to see Kalimuendo come back and fight for a place.
GaryCrosbysStepOver
Geoff Thomas
Managers can be stubborn can’t they? Even Cooper
played McKenna/Worrall over Loïc Bade, and never gave Santos much time. Nuno wouldn’t pick Omari. Dyche basically ditched Cunha and Kalimuendo. Unfathomable really.Was it reported that Syrianos was a Netz signing anywhere and not Edu's?
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Bakwa and McAtee you cant say are flops under Vitor. You can’t say they are ace but not flops.
Ndoye hasn’t really shown much to be honest I’ll give you that one. Kalimuendo there is a player there I’d like to see him under Vitor. Zinchenko and Luiz were loans that’s no skin off our noses
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MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
No, but, logically I don't think a man who was put on gardening leave three weeks after Netz joined would have been allowed to bring him in. Also a cheap pickup from the Bundesliga has all the hallmarks of a Syrianos coup.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
We paid £60m for Bakwa and McAtee and they're still not contributing an awful lot under Vitor. Just because they're playing a bit better than they were doesn't suddenly mean they were OK signings. The reality is for the money we spent on them, we need them to be better than they are.
Ndoye and Kalimuendo are in the same boat. They're not bad footballers but again we spent £60m on them, and we needed them to have contributed significantly more than they have.
Zinchenko and Luiz would have cost us a fair whack in loan fees, both the initial and then having to negotiate with their host clubs to cancel the loans as well because they were shit. They would have likely cost us over £20m by the time you factor that in with wages.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
yes but we don't know that for sure do we?Managers can be stubborn can’t they? Even Cooper
We didn't see much of Bade but he wasn't our player anyway. McKenna and Worrall were experienced and had played for the club for a few years, knew each other's games well, and didn't need to settle. We also had Niakhate and Felipe at the club that season as well as Cook who ended up not being in the 25 at all. Both Bade and Biancone (who got injured) were young players from another league and had to settle into what must have been chaos with the promotion, all the new players, getting nobbed every week, then there's moving to a new country on top of that... it was said at the time Bade wasn't settling and there's probably an element of truth in that and by the time he might have been ready we'd already got Felipe in and he was coming to the end of the season... and he wasn't our player so there was no way the club would sign him after his loan failed. So he went somewhere else and showed why we were interested, but he had probably more time to get settled there and perhaps that shift wasn't as extreme.
We might have had similar with Cunha. Just because a young CB comes over from Brazil a couple of years before and is all over the place doesn't mean they will all be like that. He's still quite young and quite possible the previous manager would have been giving him the minutes right now, or then probably not, we don't know why Dyche wasn't picking him. As for Kalimuendo nothing was obvious from his appearances or his attributes that would make him a successful striker at PL level. Just because he's scoring a few in a weaker league on loan doesn't change that although it does help his confidence. It's the usual on loan/injured/not being picked = too good to not be playing thing we have on here...
Fawazzock
Jack Burkitt
Who changed the thread title? Love it
Maybe Edu's transfer strategy itself wasn't so bad, given many of the players are now going well, but something about the way he was brought in, Nuno feeling undermined, and Nuno counter-undermining with the Europe squad, etc, just created friction in practice
Maybe Edu's transfer strategy itself wasn't so bad, given many of the players are now going well, but something about the way he was brought in, Nuno feeling undermined, and Nuno counter-undermining with the Europe squad, etc, just created friction in practice
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Thats on Nuno really though
I know we tend to change DoFs more than some people change their boxers but in modern football there's the expectation that the manager is actually the head coach and that more strategic decisions are from a DoF. We have consistently had one in our structure, we had Dane Murphy, then Ross Wilson (who was effectively a DoF and was here when we brought Nuno in) then Edu presumably came in to replace Wilson (in a sense) and there was talk Wilson was off to Newcastle for ages so it was clear or should be clear to Nuno that the appointment was happening.
I know it doesn't work like that with players but there's also the usual understanding that if underlings don't work with their new manager and there is conflict the higher ups will back the more senior manager. So, any conflict between a DoF and manager will usually only go one way; I suspect the whole 4 managers in a season thing is the reason why Edu has been sidelined now.
The only logical outcome for the events in preseason and the beginning of the season was to sack Nuno.
GaryCrosbysStepOver
Geoff Thomas
Do people think Nuno would have lasted the season without the Edu fallout, given that we seemed to get found out during the last 10 games of last season?
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Yeah I reckon so. I think last season we ran out of energy more than we ran out of ideas.
