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[Rzar]

It goes two ways, if he cost £5m people wouldn't be half as critical either.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Tell you what, with JWP I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he isn't exactly the player I expected we were getting. He's a bad fit for us though, granted.

 

[Ashley]

Based on much of Nuno's talk about losing him to injury/his return I suspect you and some others might be surprised... I think he will very much have a part to play once back. Obviously he's not going to walk into a side that's winning games, but I think he will be used as an option if/when he's built fitness simply because he offers different to all our other midfielders.

With regards JWP I don't think he has any kind of future playing for us and is being used only because we need legs to avoid injuries - it's good we've had those legs, but expect that once we have more of our own investments fit we won't see much of him at all.

To be fair, Nuno wouldn't be the first manager to talk up a player he isn't going to use (especially with a transfer window around the corner), and won't be the last.

Regardless of what we paid for any given player, Nuno will pick the players that he feels will help us get us a result. If JWP is still here and Nuno thinks he is a better bet he'll pick him over Sangare. Realistically, I don't think either have a future at Forest beyond this season (particularly when Danilo is back up and running and if we are in Europe next season).

 

[Gyros Peter]

To be fair, Nuno wouldn't be the first manager to talk up a player he isn't going to use (especially with a transfer window around the corner), and won't be the last.

Regardless of what we paid for any given player, Nuno will pick the players that he feels will help us get us a result. If JWP is still here and Nuno thinks he is a better bet he'll pick him over Sangare. Realistically, I don't think either have a future at Forest beyond this season (particularly when Danilo is back up and running and if we are in Europe next season).

Yeah, it's an interesting one to watch, and at this point (with the player still not yet fit) it's all by the by really, because he's got to not break down again. Let's see what happens with his fitness first and come back to it if/when he's ready...

 

[andyd]

He was first choice at the start of the season but that doesn't mean he would have remained so even had he stayed fit. He wouldn't be the first player to start the season first choice and slide down the pecking order, and from what little I saw of him I don't think he'd have remained in front of Yates, Dominguez or Anderson.

He is at best 4th choice now in a side that usually plays 2 midfielders. If Danilo is anything like he was pre-injury, that knocks him down to 5th choice. I don't think it's ridiculous to say that being 5th choice probably puts you into potentially surplus to requirements territory.

I think a few folk want this to work because of how much we paid for him, but I just don't see it. Too many players competing for two positions, something has to give.

The point is we don’t know he’s fourth choice, that’s just your opinion and assumption. For all we know as soon as he’s fit Nuno will stick him straight back in the team! The bloke is injured and has been for a long time, until he’s back and we see what Nuno does with him your take doesn’t fit with the facts of what we’ve seen, both before the injury and Nuno talking him up in press conferences while he’s been out.

I don’t really care if it works based on his transfer fee, like @Gyros Peter I just don’t see it like you do and find it very difficult to see how you come to the conclusion that he’s being bombed out based on the evidence available.

 

[Monkman]

Danilo is going to be extremely rusty and a long way off being match ready. If we get a few substitute appearances at the back end of the season I'd consider that a win.

This seems unnecessarily pessimistic seeing as he's been back on grass a few weeks already now, and we're only halfway through the season.

 

[Deleted User 27810]

I don't think anyone's suggesting Sangaré is being bombed out, rather that Nuno is a pragmatic manager and won't want to take the risk on starting him ahead of someone in an established midfield that's helped the side to third in the Premier League going into the business end of the season

It's just sensible decision-making, not "bombing players out"

 

[Ashley]

It goes two ways, if he cost £5m people wouldn't be half as critical either.

Some probably wouldn't be as critical, sure. But I don't think there would be any talk of a player who has barely played for 18 months (and didn't set the world alight when he did) working his way into a side that's 3rd in the Premier League had he not cost as much as he did. For example, Omobamidele is in a similar position in the pecking order at centre half and there's no talk of him playing much of a role for us.

I think generally speaking, people want significant investments that the club makes to work out.

 

[Ashley]

The point is we don’t know he’s fourth choice, that’s just your opinion and assumption. For all we know as soon as he’s fit Nuno will stick him straight back in the team! The bloke is injured and has been for a long time, until he’s back and we see what Nuno does with him your take doesn’t fit with the facts of what we’ve seen, both before the injury and Nuno talking him up in press conferences while he’s been out.

I don’t really care if it works based on his transfer fee, like @Gyros Peter I just don’t see it like you do and find it very difficult to see how you come to the conclusion that he’s being bombed out based on the evidence available.

I'm sorry, but there's no manager in the country playing a player who is unproven in whatever league that they are in and who has barely played for 18 months over players who have played a key role in getting them to 3rd in the league.

Like someone else mentioned earlier, if a manager makes that decision and it doesn't work out they'd get absolutely crucified for it, as well as potentially disrupting the dressing room by picking him over a player who was previously in the team on merit.

There is no logical reason to play him over any of Yates, Anderson or Dominguez. He's been unfortunate with injuries yes, but he has not done anything at Forest to warrant playing ahead of those three players.

 

[Ashley]

I don't think anyone's suggesting Sangaré is being bombed out, rather that Nuno is a pragmatic manager and won't want to take the risk on starting him ahead of someone in an established midfield that's helped the side to third in the Premier League going into the business end of the season

It's just sensible decision-making, not "bombing players out"

This. Plus there's also the player (and his agent) to think about, who probably aren't going to be keen on the idea of him being sat on the bench (or potentially not in the matchday 18) every week during the peak years of his career.

 

[Ashley]

This seems unnecessarily pessimistic seeing as he's been back on grass a few weeks already now, and we're only halfway through the season.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think there's still a long way to go from the point he is now to playing in the Premier League. It was a really bad injury.

The key thing is that we give him the time he needs to get fully fit and back to his best, as he is a special talent.

 

[andyd]

I'm sorry, but there's no manager in the country playing a player who is unproven in whatever league that they are in and who has barely played for 18 months over players who have played a key role in getting them to 3rd in the league.

Like someone else mentioned earlier, if a manager makes that decision and it doesn't work out they'd get absolutely crucified for it, as well as potentially disrupting the dressing room by picking him over a player who was previously in the team on merit.

There is no logical reason to play him over any of Yates, Anderson or Dominguez. He's been unfortunate with injuries yes, but he has not done anything at Forest to warrant playing ahead of those three players.

Obviously he’d have to work his way back into the team, no one disputes that and I’ve said so multiple times. I only said maybe Nuno puts him straight back in because we have no idea what Nuno is thinking with Sangare not being ready yet!

My point is, it’s far more likely that he rejoins the group and is a first team option with a good chance of playing time than it is that he’s suddenly not even in the 18 and totally out on his ear as you seem determined to argue in every post despite the evidence being totally to the contrary.

 

[Otis Redding]

No offence, but I'd sooner trust the manager's judgement with this decision rather than yours.

 

[Ashley]

Obviously he’d have to work his way back into the team, no one disputes that and I’ve said so multiple times. I only said maybe Nuno puts him straight back in because we have no idea what Nuno is thinking with Sangare not being ready yet!

My point is, it’s far more likely that he rejoins the group and is a first team option with a good chance of playing time than it is that he’s suddenly not even in the 18 and totally out on his ear as you seem determined to argue in every post despite the evidence being totally to the contrary.

Is there any evidence of it being far more likely that he's a first team option with a chance of playing?

We have three midfielders playing very well, Danilo to come back and JWP still at the club. I'm not really sure why you think that someone who has barely played for 18 months, hadn't set the world alight when he did and plays in a position where we are heavily stock might be moved on is such a controversial opinion.

 

[andyd]

Is there any evidence of it being far more likely that he's a first team option with a chance of playing?

I mean, he literally was exactly that before his injury and Nuno has consistently talked about him as such while he’s been out.

On the flip side I can’t think of a single example at any club ever of a player going from important first team option to surplus to requirements purely because they were out for 3 months with an injury.

To flip the question on its head, why is your view of Danilo not the same as your view of Sangare when they are literally in the exact same situation?

 

[ARedChester]

Only send him back if Danilo and Sangare are close which they don’t seem to be.

Send Sangare back and hope they don't notice the difference.

 

[Berkshire Red]

Is there any evidence of it being far more likely that he's a first team option with a chance of playing?

We have three midfielders playing very well, Danilo to come back and JWP still at the club. I'm not really sure why you think that someone who has barely played for 18 months, hadn't set the world alight when he did and plays in a position where we are heavily stock might be moved on is such a controversial opinion.

When he was fit, four months ago, he was Nuno's first choice.

Suggests that the manager saw something in him that you (and many others, to be fair) didn't.

 

[Ashley]

I mean, he literally was exactly that before his injury and Nuno has consistently talked about him as such while he’s been out.

On the flip side I can’t think of a single example at any club ever of a player going from important first team option to surplus to requirements purely because they were out for 3 months with an injury.

To flip the question on its head, why is your view of Danilo not the same as your view of Sangare when they are literally in the exact same situation?

A lot has happened since Sangare last played for Nottingham Forest. And although he started the season, it's doesn't mean it would have remained that way (had he stayed fit) or that his team was set in stone; at that point he would have seen very little of Sangare, Dominguez (who also had injury problems last season) and Anderson at that point. As for what Nuno says, whatever a manager says and does are quite often different things; no manager is dropping players who are performing well for an unproven player who has barely played for 18 months.

Football is all about taking your opportunities and is littered with examples of players getting injured and losing their place because their replacement comes in and does well. I think it's safe to say Yates, Anderson and Dominguez have taken their opportunities.

Danilo and Sangare aren't the same situation at all; the former is a young player who had played 43 games for us prior to his injury and has demonstrated that he can play in this league, the latter has spent most of his time at Forest injured and hasn't been amazing on the rare occasions he has actually played.

When he was fit, four months ago, he was Nuno's first choice.

Suggests that the manager saw something in him that you (and many others, to be fair) didn't.

See above.

 

[GaribaldiontheExe]

He's part of the squad that currently sits 3rd in the premier league. Who knows what influence he isn't or isn't having or the costs of him being here but this is a squad game and so I trust that the management will manage the situation as they see fit.

 

[andyd]

A lot has happened since Sangare last played for Nottingham Forest. And although he started the season, it's doesn't mean it would have remained that way (had he stayed fit) or that his team was set in stone; at that point he would have seen very little of Sangare, Dominguez (who also had injury problems last season) and Anderson at that point. As for what Nuno says, whatever a manager says and does are quite often different things; no manager is dropping players who are performing well for an unproven player who has barely played for 18 months.

Football is all about taking your opportunities and is littered with examples of players getting injured and losing their place because their replacement comes in and does well. I think it's safe to say Yates, Anderson and Dominguez have taken their opportunities.

Danilo and Sangare aren't the same situation at all; the former is a young player who had played 43 games for us prior to his injury and has demonstrated that he can play in this league, the latter has spent most of his time at Forest injured and hasn't been amazing on the rare occasions he has actually played.



See above.

I’m giving up on this discussion, you just keep repeating the same thing. No one disagrees about people taking their chance and Sangare having a fight on if he’s to get back in the team when fit. But that’s a world away from him being binned off and surplus to requirements just because others have done well. I honestly have no idea how or why you have drawn that conclusion, it makes no sense when it’s pretty clear he’ll return to being a part of the squad fighting for his place.

 

[Ashley]

I’m giving up on this discussion, you just keep repeating the same thing. No one disagrees about people taking their chance and Sangare having a fight on if he’s to get back in the team when fit. But that’s a world away from him being binned off and surplus to requirements just because others have done well. I honestly have no idea how or why you have drawn that conclusion, it makes no sense when it’s pretty clear he’ll return to being a part of the squad fighting for his place.

So do you to be fair, and seem to be taking it a bit personally for reasons I can't really fathom.

Happy to agree to disagree, and sorry that I've upset you.

 

[andyd]

So do you to be fair, and seem to be taking it a bit personally for reasons I can't really fathom.

Not taking it personally, it just doesn’t make sense when there is zero evidence to suggest he’s surplus to requirements and no logical reason to assume that he is just because he’s been injured.

 

[Ashley]

Not taking it personally, it just doesn’t make sense when there is zero evidence to suggest he’s surplus to requirements and no logical reason to assume that he is just because he’s been injured.

Fair enough. There's no evidence of anything either way and we're just two people posting our opinions on an Internet forum, I just see things very differently than you is all. Time will tell.

 

[Est.1865]

Personally I've lost any hope Sangaré as a Forest player is ever going to be a thing

He's barely played and when he has he hasn't exactly set the world alight

I also think there's something more going on with him than just injuries

He won't play for us again

Saudi beckons.

 

[Ashley]

Saudi beckons.

Either that, or somewhere like France or Italy IMO.