James John McAtee

Master Yates

Master Yates

Stuart Pearce
Captain Sinister said:
Shall we wait untilthey have both played at least half a season's games?
NDoye has been played out of position in a system that doesn't favour his talent, and Hutchinson in the small amount of time on the pitch has shown a lot of potential.
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It's January - we are past the halfway stage. According to transfermarkt Hutchinson and Ndoye are the 236th and 250th most expensive football transfers of all time. I don't think either have shown anything close to what we paid for them.
 
eyupmeduck

eyupmeduck

Grenville Morris
Worsley Red said:
Yes, but we're not a top half club. If we look at teams we might, at the start of the season, have considered ourselves to be competing with, or dare I say, pushing past because we are now "better than".......since 2022:

Brentford - have only spent more than Euro 25m on 3 occasions - Nathan Collins E27m, Thiago 33m and Outtara 43m,
Fulham - 4 players - Iwobi E26m, ESR E32m, Andersen E30m, Kevin E40m. (Paulinha was just under E25m).
Palace - 3 players - Nketiah E30m, Johnno E40m and Pino E30m
In this same time period, albeit where we were trying to establish ourselves in the EPL, we've had 8 - MGW E30m (plus add-ons!), Sangare E35m, EA E41m, JM E26m, Kali E30m, Bakwa E35m, Ndoye E42m, and Hutch E43m.

Kind of soul-destroying to compare the respective league positions of the 4 clubs right now.
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I get the perspective but the reported fees are not necessarily what we have paid, Sangare for example was less than his release clause of E35m, Anderson was £35m but in reality £15m with Vlach going the other way, MGW was add on heavy as are the others and the fees paid so far are in some cases far less than the reported total deal size but you are comparing us with clubs that have all been in the Premier league for longer than us.

Brentford would have spent over £35m on more occasions than they actually have, in recent memory they were turned down by Brennan Johnson, Bakayoko and even Hutch, but they tend to have a different model which for now works but like Southampton before, could run into trouble somewhere down the line because in reality every player they have is for sale.

Fulham have spent more than us overall and net spend over the past decade, we have spent £50m less than them broadly on both measures.

Palace have also spent more than us by over £100m gross and because they haven't been great at trading actually have a £150m higher net spend.

When we went up we had to build a squad from a start point of 6 players which also didn't help but of the teams in the Premier league today, we have outspent Burnley, Brentford and Sunderland in terms of gross spending and thats it.

Will all of the player be value for money? Imho probably not but ultimately if you widen the perspective and realise that we are 17th in spending then perhaps we are not performing out of line with expectations with where we are.
 
HappyHappyJoyJoy

HappyHappyJoyJoy

John Robertson
eyupmeduck said:
I get the perspective but the reported fees are not necessarily what we have paid, Sangare for example was less than his release clause of E35m, Anderson was £35m but in reality £15m with Vlach going the other way, MGW was add on heavy as are the others and the fees paid so far are in some cases far less than the reported total deal size but you are comparing us with clubs that have all been in the Premier league for longer than us.

Brentford would have spent over £35m on more occasions than they actually have, in recent memory they were turned down by Brennan Johnson, Bakayoko and even Hutch, but they tend to have a different model which for now works but like Southampton before, could run into trouble somewhere down the line because in reality every player they have is for sale.

Fulham have spent more than us overall and net spend over the past decade, we have spent £50m less than them broadly on both measures.

Palace have also spent more than us by over £100m gross and because they haven't been great at trading actually have a £150m higher net spend.

When we went up we had to build a squad from a start point of 6 players which also didn't help but of the teams in the Premier league today, we have outspent Burnley, Brentford and Sunderland in terms of gross spending and thats it.

Will all of the player be value for money? Imho probably not but ultimately if you widen the perspective and realise that we are 17th in spending then perhaps we are not performing out of line with expectations with where we are.
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Where are you getting the data from?

Is there a single source?
 
Monkman

Monkman

John Robertson
Master Yates said:
Jair was a sound investment at the price we paid - even if he doesn't kick on we will get most of our fee back from a Brazilian club.

Ndoye and Hutchinson have done a few bits and pieces in half a season's worth of games - for an outlay of 70m+. Are you seriously telling me you wouldn't like to go back in time and spend that amount on two different players?

Savona is ok - we'd probably recoup most of what we spent on him and he has done ok, so maybe he would get a pass.

Victor doesn't look like a great use of 9m or whatever it was we paid - he's not 9m better than Angus Gunn.
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I think we all (not just Forest fans) have slightly unrealistic expectations of new signings. I'm talking about Hutchinson more than Ndoye here (though I still think he could come good). Look around the league at the various expensive signings from last summer (especially forward players) and see how many are not hitting the mark yet. With a little help from chatGPT - Gyokeres, Sesko, Simons, Wirtz, Elanga, Isak, Delap, Dibling - all over £25m, none really justifying the price tag yet. And most of those have only played under one manager at their new club!

I think I'm partly just trying to say that all transfers are a gamble, and often they take a while to pay off, as we can see around the league. Who's to say that even if we sold last summer's incomings for exactly what we paid for them, we'd do any better with the same money this coming summer?
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Monkman said:
I think we all (not just Forest fans) have slightly unrealistic expectations of new signings. I'm talking about Hutchinson more than Ndoye here (though I still think he could come good). Look around the league at the various expensive signings from last summer (especially forward players) and see how many are not hitting the mark yet. With a little help from chatGPT - Gyokeres, Sesko, Simons, Wirtz, Elanga, Isak, Delap, Dibling - all over £25m, none really justifying the price tag yet. And most of those have only played under one manager at their new club!

I think I'm partly just trying to say that all transfers are a gamble, and often they take a while to pay off, as we can see around the league. Who's to say that even if we sold last summer's incomings for exactly what we paid for them, we'd do any better with the same money this coming summer?
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I always recall Cloughie maintaining that new signings should be allowed six months or longer to settle-in.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Eddie Yates said:
& Megson, BC binned him because he kept throwing up pre-match

& because he's a ginger pig obviously
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And because he's M*gson, I mean everyone would bin that thing off

Dickhead player who tried his hardest to ruin the club as a manager as well. Doughty should never have appointed him and I said so at the time
 
Worsley Red

Worsley Red

Viv Anderson
eyupmeduck said:
Will all of the player be value for money? Imho probably not but ultimately if you widen the perspective and realise that we are 17th in spending then perhaps we are not performing out of line with expectations with where we are.
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17th is nowhere near our spend ranking.
3rd
9th
13th
7th
Were our net spend rankings from 22/23 season through to 25/26 season.
If you combine the four seasons together then we’re 9th. Edit - my mistake, were actually 7th.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Eddie Yates said:
& Megson, BC binned him because he kept throwing up pre-match

& because he's a ginger pig obviously
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IIRC Eddie, he was a makeweight that Cloughie had to accept from Wednesday in order to sign Gary Bannister (also a disappointment here if the truth be told).

"Can't trap a bag of cement" was Cloughie's succinct appraisal of Megson's ability.
 
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