Man U have a Problem in that Barcelona want €70m for de Jong, but United only want to pay €50m, because ten Hag only vas €120m to spend this window (apparently).
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Steve Chettle
I'd expect them to spend more than that, really. €120m only gets you 2 or 3 top quality players of the calibre they're after.
Luckily for Man United they can make up that €20m difference by selling Henderson to us...
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Well, yeah, you’d expect it but they are apparently working to a strict budget.
Who’d have thought!
Kjetil Osvold's Cat
Kingsley Black
Maybe Forest should offer to pay the extra needed to secure De Jong's transfer, on the basis we get Garner for another season (or can buy him for a reasonable fee, and perhaps drop the option to buy on Henderson if that's a sticking point on the loan) and for the first half of it De Jong can come and play alongside him too!
Not being serious, although I would be if Ten Hag liked the idea lol.
Not being serious, although I would be if Ten Hag liked the idea lol.
Any Time Now
Grenville Morris
Jimmy's due to meet Ten Hag on the 4th of July, imagine we will have a better idea of his future shortly after. Sadly (for us) I think he'll take his shot at united, he's a dedicated hard working young lad with bags of talent who will most likely fancy his chances at earning some minutes with United this season under ETH
This is the replacement I think will prove difficult for us, having a player of his nature at CM is such a vital component in modern football and especially for the way we play. Out of his many attributes a key one that stands out to me is his 'press resistance' which is largely down to both his composure on the ball but most importantly his spacial awareness
Having that awareness of your surroundings is hard to coach, it can to some extent be developed with situational experience over time but it's never quite the same. It comes so natural to Jimmy, he looks like an experienced professional on the pitch it's hard to believe how young he is
When you watch him you'll notice he's constantly looking around. Whether he's on the ball or showing to receive it he's continuously processing everything around him. This is a key factor to every top level player (especially a CM) and it's something which Wenger put so much emphasis on, it's referred to as 'scanning'. In the modern game players like Jorginho, Verratti, Thiago, De Jong, Kovačić etc all show how important having that increased scanning ability carries through with their decision making. This is vital when you're playing at the top level where you will be regularly pressed hard
Garners physical and technical ability will be hard to replace, but his footballing brain will be even harder to replace
This is the replacement I think will prove difficult for us, having a player of his nature at CM is such a vital component in modern football and especially for the way we play. Out of his many attributes a key one that stands out to me is his 'press resistance' which is largely down to both his composure on the ball but most importantly his spacial awareness
Having that awareness of your surroundings is hard to coach, it can to some extent be developed with situational experience over time but it's never quite the same. It comes so natural to Jimmy, he looks like an experienced professional on the pitch it's hard to believe how young he is
When you watch him you'll notice he's constantly looking around. Whether he's on the ball or showing to receive it he's continuously processing everything around him. This is a key factor to every top level player (especially a CM) and it's something which Wenger put so much emphasis on, it's referred to as 'scanning'. In the modern game players like Jorginho, Verratti, Thiago, De Jong, Kovačić etc all show how important having that increased scanning ability carries through with their decision making. This is vital when you're playing at the top level where you will be regularly pressed hard
Garners physical and technical ability will be hard to replace, but his footballing brain will be even harder to replace
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Grenville Morris
I don't think we'll get him either, though mostly due to his talent and willingness to prove himself than because he didn't like it here.
United haven't unearthed a gem in absolutely ages and insist on going after players without any sort of leverage.
United haven't unearthed a gem in absolutely ages and insist on going after players without any sort of leverage.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I think I’m in the minority that thinks he will be here on a perm deal. United need the cash and he isn’t really gonna play.
Raymondo Ponte'
It's all about mid-table...
Look, if he doesn't want to be part of a top 4 team then he can live with the consequences.
Job dun
Job dun
I think your right great player but he does go missing at times, which I don't see him getting away with at United. If they seriously think they can break the top 2 they need someone that plays around a 8 on a bad day.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
I think so too. Their new manager will be under immediate pressure to deliver results so won't be taking risks on "unproven" younger players.
Raymondo Ponte'
It's all about mid-table...
Let's be frank eer folks eez not bad but he wont win games oniz own.
If Coops thinks he's a good link then I'm with him.
If Coops thinks he's a good link then I'm with him.
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Ian Bowyer
Don’t you think they are more likely to take the easy route and loan him again? Buy off the utd fans who’ll piss their pants if they sell a prized youngster.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Maybe, but they will be too busy creaming themselves over them signing De Jong or somebody to notice for more than 5 mins.
I just think if you are gonna break into Man Utd's first team it becomes fairly obvious it's gonna happen.
Garner is in the same position as Tuanzebe was for them, who is still with them and they really should have cashed in a year or two ago. My gut just tells me they are gonna be open to selling as they will need to generate funds for a big rebuild.
Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool all fund their massive spending by selling their young players - they will have to do the same because they ain't getting any money for their first team players.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
This is another (like Spence) where I think we just need to ask Man U what they want and pay it.
There is no way he is going to be given a chance in their team with the new guy expected to get results.
He's still unproven for them, still a young lad, and everyone will be expecting him to step in there like Pogba was never there. A few bad performances from the team and he'll be a scapegoat and probably popped back into the reserves.
There is no way he is going to be given a chance in their team with the new guy expected to get results.
He's still unproven for them, still a young lad, and everyone will be expecting him to step in there like Pogba was never there. A few bad performances from the team and he'll be a scapegoat and probably popped back into the reserves.
RedSpoons
First Team Squad
Helps us with Jimmy surely
Haych
John Robertson
Hopefully, that’s a good signing for United too.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
He's a class act who proved his fitness with Brentca. Surely this means they don't need Jimmy.
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Steve Chettle
Just speaking with a United supporter and he reckons Garner won't get a look-in this season at United.
He thinks he will sign for us towards the end of the transfer window.
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He thinks he will sign for us towards the end of the transfer window.
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Grenville Morris
Was your friend called Ten Haag?
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Grenville Morris
Paying what selling clubs want (particularly if they are Manure) is a sure fire way to trash the improvements we have made over the last year. It doesn't take long for overpayments of 10M per player to sink a club like ours. Sadly we have to get good value for every quid we have been chucked by Sky....Look at DJed-if we'd payed 'Boro what they claimed he was worth we'd have spunked 25M on him-Spurs will get him for 15 max. For me Garner is worth 10M to a club like ours and if Manure want 20 its too much. I really like him as a player but I don't think theres any way Jimmy fills that dominant CM role that allows us to go toe to toe with the mid prem teams yet. I have no doubt he will turn into an excellent player in the prem in time but until then we need someone else in there that can do that job. Great is we can get both but if we spend 20M on Jimmy we won't...
I don't see why anyone would expect him to get a look in at Man Utd tbh. I like him, he was solid for us in the Championship, had some really good matches and nice moments in other games. But I personally didn't think he had as much impact as Yates or Zink in matches, and I think there would be/is questions over whether they will step up. That's not me being harsh or critical, but I just mean I wouldn't even put his impact on matches as highly as Lansbury or Guedioura when they were with us.
Garner could become a premier league player, but I don't think that's guaranteed, and I think it would be a risk for a team facing relegation to rely on him, so I can't imagine a team trying for the top four who didn't even play Lingaard after his spell as West Ham going into the season thinking of Garner as someone who will play regularly for them.
(Just for the record I would be happy if we signed him, I just mean it would still be a risk, even though I personally think it's a risk worth taking lol)
Garner could become a premier league player, but I don't think that's guaranteed, and I think it would be a risk for a team facing relegation to rely on him, so I can't imagine a team trying for the top four who didn't even play Lingaard after his spell as West Ham going into the season thinking of Garner as someone who will play regularly for them.
(Just for the record I would be happy if we signed him, I just mean it would still be a risk, even though I personally think it's a risk worth taking lol)
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I think anything between £10-15m inc addons is a good deal. For me Garner is a future England international, people forget how young he is still.
He was often overlooked last season because of others but he really was very very good.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
True point but that really does only apply when the valuations of the selling and buying clubs stand apart.
With the new loan rules, and with us already taking Henderson out of their loan out slots, and with them having presumably other younger players who aren't near their team (such as Brandon Williams who spent last year at Norwich) and who they might want to give first team experience to, they are potentially more likely to want to sell Garner anyway than loan him out again as he's much further down the development line, having 18 months here and the half season before at Watford.
Typically a young player at a top side will be given a while to get experience before being good enough to make the team or be sold. With the new loan rules meaning clubs aren't able to loan out as many a lot more especially those further from the team will be sold and probably sold with a buy back clause.
So really it depends how they see Garner, But with Eriksen coming in and Pogba leaving, with no obvious other changes there as yet, you'd see he will be in the same situation numbers wise that he was last season, and probably not in the first team picture. I wouldn't be too surprised if they lowered valuation to get some money for the player with maybe the softener (for them) of a buy back if they wanted to.
Also, I really do think he is good enough to be a PL regular for us.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I don't think a lot of people notice how good he is. Aside from the odd assist like in the final and his set pieces he doesn't do anything flashy.
But his close control on the ball is excellent, his range of passing is absolutely top drawer (he's been compared with Carrick who for me is one of the best passers of the ball ever to play PL), tactically he is usually in the right place at the right time, and is physically strong (he does seem to have bulked out a bit since he joined us) so can tackle well, track back and regain possession easily.
He has all the skills of an excellent all round CM and looks like he could easily transfer this into the PL. I don't really think other than age/experience he has any obvious weaknesses either.
Plus it would solve our lack of a set piece taker in the current squad with one who is only going to get better at them.