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John Robertson
Even though it was only when Sangare came on against Porto that we actually looked to gain any control in the midfield? Porto had spent 75 minutes running around Yates and Dominguez prior to that.
Ibrahim Sangaré of CÔTE D'IVOIRE
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MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Yes.
I don't think we'll line-up the anywhere near the same as we did in the first round so I don't think it's a good comparison to make.
Monkman
John Robertson
Two of those pictures are a bigger slight on Murillo than Sangare imo, committing himself way too high with no chance of getting the ball, and leaving a gaping hole behind him. He's been watching Morato too much.
uptight9
Viv Anderson
It's funny, the Greek commentator had lots of praise for him and how his interceptions started most of our good moments. Maybe the flip side of that, and him being perhaps a bit overzealous in trying to intercept their passes, is that he was caught out of position often. Can't say I looked as closely as you did - I only remember his blatant wrong pass with that header in the 1st half.
Fair play Maxi, this is some really interesting analysis.
I don't completely disagree with you but I do disagree on the ultimate source of the problem. The issue we faced on Sunday, and what showed up Sangare in what you have clipped here, is Villa's overload in the middle of the park. With Onana, Tielmans and Barkley in the middle and Rogers and McGinn playing narrow and in the number 10 half spaces they effectively had a five man midfield. Sangare and Anderson had absolutely no chance with that and it's no surprise they left gaping holes because Morgan wasn't dropping deep to pick up one of the five so they effectively had two men each with one left over. I couldn't believe VP didn't adjust CHO in to counter it, I might even have been tempted to haul Hutch off in the first half for Dominguez to try and redress the balance.
In that situation Sangare was always going to leave space in behind him with people roaming free because he was exposed by their system, and that's before we get to your reasonable point about Villa moving the ball well. In the circumstances I think he did well, but the biggest issue was that our system, matched up against theirs, hung him and Ando out to dry. Morgan should have taken it on himself to do more and VP should have changed it, none of which Sangare can do anything about, aside from maybe ringing out his captain to do more to help. I think he did pretty well in the circumstances since those circumstances were always going to make him look poor.
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Monkman
John Robertson
Why can't I see Raymondo's post?
Have you got him on „Ignore“ somehow?
Monkman
John Robertson
Doesn't look like it.
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Geoff Thomas
Absolutely this. The overload in central areas was by design and exacerbated by Hutchinson not bothering particularly with his defensive duties. For their goal Hutchinson just watches Rogers' underlapping run.
Sangare was constantly being dragged across to support Aina. Also think about the number of times Anderson had to engage McGinn.
Systemic failure mainly on Parreira's shoulders, though it would've been nice to see an onfield reaction such as MGW dropping in to support.
Cureboy
Grenville Morris
I thought Sangaré was dog crap first half but came into it abit more second. He has improved a lot but I preferred our midfield last season. More energy.
I think Yates is harder to play against than Sangaré and adds more threat going forwards.
Larry Lansbury
Geoff Thomas
Think VP countered it by keeping wingers high as we were at home, hoping they would take advantage of 1-1 with full backs but they weren’t good enough. Seemed sensible gamble with us being at home, but probably Dom plays if this was an away match.
Trents
Stuart Pearce
For me he edged it for MOTM just ahead of Neco and Dom last night. Won every challenge I saw and was a calming presence on the ball when others around him were getting a bit panicky.
Baronvon
John Robertson
Think he gave the ball away maybe twice yesterday, and both were forward passes attempting to put someone through.
Just made it look easy. We need him fit for the run in or we're f**ked.
Just made it look easy. We need him fit for the run in or we're f**ked.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Damning him with faint praise!
He does make headers.
And last night he was faultless in that 2nd half onslaught.
He was the best midfielder on the pitch easily. Hopefully he will put in another dominant display on Sunday.
Sammy the Clingan
Youth Team
The big man was brilliant today. Keeps us moving forwards.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
He wasn't bad but he was very slow to release the ball which was a key problem in the first half. Not just him the whole team were at it.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
He was but the issue was the lack of passing options. There was nothing in front of him and every other option was no better than the position he was already in. He then backed himself to keep hold of it instead.
It goes back to one of the underlying issues in midfield which is Anderson sitting far too deep too often.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
There were options to the flanks.
Not that the wingers would have done anything with it but....
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
Like I said he backed himself to keep hold of it
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
He is totally controlling games at the minute, has a real authority to his game & never negative with the ball either - both in his passing but also the way he wriggles away when teams look to press him. He has become the player we all imagined he would be when he signed, that is for sure.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
I'm genuinely baffled when people say they don't see what Sangare does. He's a rolls Royce of a player in that position.
It's exactly what Yaya Toure used to do for Man City