Home and Away Memberships 2023-24

[StuC]

I must say this is a truly appalling post which should have been removed.

Fan groups are volunteers and as we have seen with the Q&A, they are doing their best. If you actually joined the Trust you'd be better informed and found that they do engage with the club before announcements and engage with members before meetings. If you don't join how can you comment like this?

I also know that the Trust helps members and non-members. But they are by law members organisations whereas unofficial groups have no members and no way of challenging those that run them. Personally, Forza don't represent me. It's a choice. Join or don't join.

You have no right to insult people who give time and effort. I know for a fact that the abuse received is hard on the team and you are encouraging others.

Opinions are fine, untruths and bullying are not.

I've read the post a couple of times and i don't see any bullying in Forestzoe's post, if she has put any untruths maybe as a member of the trust committee you could provide some of the facts.


This post from Feb 2017 is still relevant today...

May I just say that the efforts of those involved with the Trust, Forza and LTLF should all be celebrated. This club, and many others up and down the English leagues needs more engagement. In these dark times seeing fans rally round for the benefit of the club is a great thing - thank you to everyone who puts their time and effort in.

 

[Barry]

So basically more bullshit from the "Trust"

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[Raymondo Ponte']

I've never trusted "Trusts".

Never have never will.

 

[Strummer]

I must say this is a truly appalling post which should have been removed.

Fan groups are volunteers and as we have seen with the Q&A, they are doing their best. If you actually joined the Trust you'd be better informed and found that they do engage with the club before announcements and engage with members before meetings. If you don't join how can you comment like this?

I also know that the Trust helps members and non-members. But they are by law members organisations whereas unofficial groups have no members and no way of challenging those that run them. Personally, Forza don't represent me. It's a choice. Join or don't join.

You have no right to insult people who give time and effort. I know for a fact that the abuse received is hard on the team and you are encouraging others.

Opinions are fine, untruths and bullying are not.

The originally quoted Post is neither untruth, or bullying.

This very Forum offered its help to the Trust when the Trust was first set up, an offer that was rather rudely rebuffed, along with a healthy cachet of we-know-better-than-you attitude.

We have, as a Forum, repeatedly offered to collate information and opinion and funnel it back to the Trust. They seemingly weren’t interested.

And recently we have had a couple of posts from Trust members criticising this forum, which - in my humble opinion - is completely unjustified.

We are more than willing to help and support and initiatives that benefit Forest. We have many members of Forza Garibaldi on this Forum, who are happy to engage with us.

We love that, we are all Forest fans after all.

I am sorry, but the Trust‘s attitude has always come across to me as „join the Trust or we aren’t interested“.

You don’t speak for me, or thousands of other Forest fans, so, please, don’t claim you do.

As ever, if the Trust wants to have a mature dialogue with this Forum on matters of mutual interest, hell, you know who we are.

Just PM us, and let’s see what we can do, together. But don’t try and claim the high ground in a manner more befitting Obi-Wan Kenobi, because, my dude, we’ve been here longer than you have.

 

[Erik]

I must say this is a truly appalling post which should have been removed.

Fan groups are volunteers and as we have seen with the Q&A, they are doing their best. If you actually joined the Trust you'd be better informed and found that they do engage with the club before announcements and engage with members before meetings. If you don't join how can you comment like this?

I also know that the Trust helps members and non-members. But they are by law members organisations whereas unofficial groups have no members and no way of challenging those that run them. Personally, Forza don't represent me. It's a choice. Join or don't join.

You have no right to insult people who give time and effort. I know for a fact that the abuse received is hard on the team and you are encouraging others.

Opinions are fine, untruths and bullying are not.

Good to see that the Supporters Trust is operating in a democratic and open fashion, welcoming debate and promoting it's ideals, providing factual evidence of what they have achieved to counter those who dare to question or criticise them rather than demanding dissenting views are shut down and attempting to bully them into subservience.

Or not as the case may be.

Thank you for reminding this particular member of an unofficial fans group (LTLF) of why I had great mistrust of you when you first announced yourselves on the scene because of your 'high and mighty' attitude.

If you want to reasonably debate then fine, but if all you want is for people to blow smoke up your ass then this is probably not the best place to do it because you will get questioned. And it seems you don't like that.

 

[eezzeetiger]

Whenever I go looking for Forest away tickets and news, all I got offered is Ladies tickets.

Anyone else struggling to get info on possible away tickets.

I am already very dischuffed with the club its abysmal handling of previous away members

 

[JohhnyM]

Whenever I go looking for Forest away tickets and news, all I got offered is Ladies tickets.

Anyone else struggling to get info on possible away tickets.

I am already very dischuffed with the club its abysmal handling of previous away members

Agreed. They could at least do a rough schedule of sale dates. City were selling their home tickets on general sale several weeks ago, so why the delay at our end?

For most supporters away games need planning, and leaving it to the last minute to go on sale when 4,600 of us have no idea whether we’ll be lucky or not is just adding to the stress of it all.

Not to mention that we now have to plan where we are at the exact time they do go on sale which currently seems to get one day’s notice.

 

[Louth Red]

The originally quoted Post is neither untruth, or bullying.

This very Forum offered its help to the Trust when the Trust was first set up, an offer that was rather rudely rebuffed, along with a healthy cachet of we-know-better-than-you attitude.

We have, as a Forum, repeatedly offered to collate information and opinion and funnel it back to the Trust. They seemingly weren’t interested.

And recently we have had a couple of posts from Trust members criticising this forum, which - in my humble opinion - is completely unjustified.

We are more than willing to help and support and initiatives that benefit Forest. We have many members of Forza Garibaldi on this Forum, who are happy to engage with us.

We love that, we are all Forest fans after all.

I am sorry, but the Trust‘s attitude has always come across to me as „join the Trust or we aren’t interested“.

You don’t speak for me, or thousands of other Forest fans, so, please, don’t claim you do.

As ever, if the Trust wants to have a mature dialogue with this Forum on matters of mutual interest, hell, you know who we are.

Just PM us, and let’s see what we can do, together. But don’t try and claim the high ground in a manner more befitting Obi-Wan Kenobi, because, my dude, we’ve been here longer than you have.

Strummer please see post 777 - I’m still waiting and you have my details - perhaps you still have mountains of work but perhaps let me know.

I respect the work you and the other moderators do, and I had a fair exchange with one of the moderators recently and asked him to pass on my thanks. Maybe you’ve not seen it yet.

I always comply with Trust rules - not all our critics do, but perhaps like the the Trust Constitution they don’t bother to read it to find out the reasons, role and purpose; instead its easier to rely on dated perceptions.

Please don’t send out the message that we won’t speak to LTLF.

 

[gamble]

I must say this is a truly appalling post which should have been removed.

Fan groups are volunteers and as we have seen with the Q&A, they are doing their best. If you actually joined the Trust you'd be better informed and found that they do engage with the club before announcements and engage with members before meetings. If you don't join how can you comment like this?

I also know that the Trust helps members and non-members. But they are by law members organisations whereas unofficial groups have no members and no way of challenging those that run them. Personally, Forza don't represent me. It's a choice. Join or don't join.

You have no right to insult people who give time and effort. I know for a fact that the abuse received is hard on the team and you are encouraging others.

Opinions are fine, untruths and bullying are not.

I'm sorry but where's the "bullying" she disagrees and doesn't like the NFST, she hasn't called anyone names, she's called out the trust for in her opinion a lack of action over certain issues and a lack of fan engagement. Being a supporters trust you have to accept criticism and see where you may have gone wrong otherwise things won't change, and you will just segregate yourselves off and the majority of the fan base will dislike you.

The trust members that have been on here recently are to put it frankly a disgrace, they are not willing to listen to peoples opinions or discuss things in sensible manner, instead they have resorted to insults, calling Zoe a bully is a classic example.

 

[gamble]

Agreed. They could at least do a rough schedule of sale dates. City were selling their home tickets on general sale several weeks ago, so why the delay at our end?

For most supporters away games need planning, and leaving it to the last minute to go on sale when 4,600 of us have no idea whether we’ll be lucky or not is just adding to the stress of it all.

Not to mention that we now have to plan where we are at the exact time they do go on sale which currently seems to get one day’s notice.

It has an always will be 3 weeks give or take a few days.

There's been 1 occasion recently when it was allot less and that was Derby away for obviously liquidation reasons.

 

[Notcher]

I must say this is a truly appalling post which should have been removed.

Fan groups are volunteers and as we have seen with the Q&A, they are doing their best. If you actually joined the Trust you'd be better informed and found that they do engage with the club before announcements and engage with members before meetings. If you don't join how can you comment like this?

I also know that the Trust helps members and non-members. But they are by law members organisations whereas unofficial groups have no members and no way of challenging those that run them. Personally, Forza don't represent me. It's a choice. Join or don't join.

You have no right to insult people who give time and effort. I know for a fact that the abuse received is hard on the team and you are encouraging others.

Opinions are fine, untruths and bullying are not.

A classic example from the recent trend and tactic of shutting someone down if you don't like their opinion. That in itself is contemptible and the true post that's deserved of being removed.

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[Morpeth]

Do the Trust write in New Speak? If feels a little groupthinky to me.

 

[incident]

Do the Trust write in New Speak? If feels a little groupthinky to me.

Yeah, that's the way it's coming across to me.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but have developed a negative view of them - but not because of "untruths" or "bullying" or whatever else people have said about them - it's purely down to the way that they representing themselves.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

My experience is the average Forest fan doesn't value nor does it see the purpose of NFST.

The Trust (from my understanding) was set up to oppose an old leadership regime and give the fans a voice in a time where there was real concern about the future of the club.

The Trust now has involvement in community projects and things indirectly related to the club which is great but isn't the mouthpiece of the fans I think the club and NFST want it to be.

I think renaming the group Nottingham Forest community group or something similar would represent what they do more. Communication to the average fan would be better done through groups like Forza, not a closed members only group.

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[Louth Red]

I'll be honest no I didn't notice the times, just that there had been several replies since, with no answer, nothing more sinister than that. Disappointed you've seemingly read more into it tbh. And no, I know nowt of your health/personal circumstances.

I remember how arsey the Trust were when they came in here initially and that sort of stuff sticks in minds. It was arrogance from them.

800 members. Out of a conservative estimate of let's say 50k fans. That's 0.01%. Representing the fans?

As to your claim they engage on social media. I'm all over fb as an admin of a large and very busy Forest group. Consequently I'm all over SM sourcing info, articles etc on a daily basis. And I mean all over, it's a lively group and we pull info from allsorts if sources, from fb to twitter to blogs to papers. There's been almost sweet FA off the Trust, and certainly nothing meaningful.

FB. 9th June. A post about being in PL finally

17th June A post asking about feedback on the LB move (this was AFTER it had all kicked off big style on SM, and there was nothing about prior consultation inviting opinions, merely a reaction after the fact.

They had been been busy tweeting wishing Derby well in their survival bid earlier in the day iirc, and faced a backlash from fans for not even mentioning the LB issue. I actually lost the last vestiges of any respect for them over this. As did many others. They became a laughing stock. )

I had actually been speaking to Bexon, off my own back, many weeks prior and had warned the group members that this was going.to be happening. What had the Trust done? The silence was deafening. This is certainly an issue they should've been involved with and actively engaging with fans over, and at least pre warning them. They simply didn't do jack until after the fact.

20th July Announced the planning decision

And that's its until the QnA. Where's the engagement over memberships both home and away? Invitation to consult or suggest ideas? Nothing. Where's the posts inviting people to join the Trust? Nothing bar 1 on 19th June on twitter. The close season has seen a huge swell of numbers across SM groups of fans joining, engaging and being active. They've missed the boat.

Twitter is similar. Nothing inviting engagement. Info on AGM, few bits about players, retweets of charity stuff. But nothing about two major issues affecting fans, the LB and memberships, until after the fact.


The Trust is not fit for purpose. Its nothing more than a club mouthpiece, and no matter how well you write about it, and there's no doubt you're erudite and passionate, it's simply not serving a decent purpose for the fans. It's not engaging on important issues, and it's not representing fans in any useful form.


Edit: I'll add that you have a large section of fans here, alot saying broadly similar things. A perfect opportunity for feedback to the Trust and how badly they're perceived and WHY. Instead if trying to convert on here, maybe actually feedback to the Trust?





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Fresh from a Forum break and a trip to Newcastle.

This is a lengthy response to correct errors and misstatements in this and other more recent posts, add more information, and to suggest critics talk to various people and organisations close to Forest for their views on the Trust.

As ever ‘I say what I mean and I mean what I say’ with honesty and integrity.

Some truths -
1. The Trust does not claim to represent all Forest fans nor should it, nor should any other supporter group.
2. The Trust has a wider responsibility beyond the football club for the community as per its Constitution.
3. The Trust recognises the wider interests of football supporters and the National Game. This is why it actively participates with FSA on football matters of national importance including the Fan Led Review, stewarding and safety, fixture scheduling. No other Forest Supporter Group is as actively engaged in this way. Of the five Forest Supporter Groups three are affiliate (full) members of the FSA, the DSA an associate member, and Forza is not a member. There may be others like myself who are individual members. FSA has regular face to face dialogue with the FA & PL at the most senior level.
4. Zoe (and others) imply that the relationship with the Football Club is soft - wrong. Contrary to uninformed opinion on here it is a very professional, holding to account relationship as recognised by Trust members who are asked to submit their key concerns, so that the Club Chairman can be quizzed and provide a written response. None of the questions at the recent Q & A were provided by the Club - every single one was based on Trust member submissions. Holding to account is a role in which I have extensive experience in very recent years as Chair of Audit and Governance at organisations larger than Forest so the Trust is well informed on this role. Also like Zoe there are occasions when the Trust is aware of confidential issues which it always respects.
5. Zoe states that our meetings with the Club are tea and cakes - not so it’s business (although I did ask for a glass of water in a meeting with Dane shortly after his arrival as Chief Executive). There is high and earned respect between the Club and Trust which is why the Club Chairman allowed a recorded interview last year which was made available on the website; and more recently the documented response on current issues including ticketing which again was made available. Last season I missed two home games through illness - I contacted COVID for the Liverpool game but called a Forest contact on the morning of the game to allow free use use of my paid for tickets to worthy supporters. This happened and a senior person heard about this and offered me two corporate tickets with food at a future game - which I kindly refused because it’s not something I could ever accept. No Trust Board member would ever take any offer of tickets and/or hospitality from the Club - the rules also require that should any hospitality ever be offered it must be reported to the Board. Even the two season tickets received by the Trust as part of the player sponsorship of the Womens Team are offered to Trust (not board) members.
6. Zoe has suggested that the Trust Board are lazy - ironic as a Board member has just taken four days annual leave from paid employment to spend that time principally on Trust matters. I spend a minimum of ten to twelve hours weekly dedicated to Trust business, much more some weeks, and I did so through holidays in Cornwall and North Yorkshire in June and July. Much of this time is directly on NFST business - issues for members, issues with Forest, services to members and the community, building relationships with the NFFC Womens team (the Trust sponsor a player each season), working with various FSA staff, preparing reports to the Trust Board, reports to FSA and it’s networks (and attending their zoom meetings), raising issues with PL (EFL last season), writing and talking to Clubs about issues encountered by our fans at away games. I am also one of a small number of people working with the FSA on the Fan Led Review of the Womens Game - last month I spent a very long day working on the Womens Game - plus a 250 mile round car journey. I write reports for the website on a range of issues - summarising after research the financial and FFP position of all clubs in the Championship, the Fan Led Review, Fixture Scheduling etc. I’m partway through a review of Trust governance arrangements - Constitution, policies etc; and I’m heavily involved in a major Trust Board meeting to review Trust operations on Sunday. The latter is no problem as I’ll be up at 6.00am preparing for the day, leaving home at 8.00am for the meeting at 10.00am and hoping to grab a bite to eat before the 2.00pm kick off. I’m also picking up our guest at the meeting, the FSA deputy CX, who is a founder member of possibly the best Trust in England - Red and White Army (SAFC) because we wish to learn from the best.
For what it’s worth I’m also heavily involved in the new NFDSA - securing grants and other support, plus researching options on organisational structure - charity, limited liability company etc. These tasks are in addition to Trust duties and are very onerous. Today I’ve prepared a request to Forest about carer tickets.
My time commitment excludes addressing issues on this forum.
So thanks for the suggestion, Zoe, but I‘ll struggle to find more time to get off my backside.
6. The Trust can do more but it needs greater capacity - more volunteers. Sadly the negative views expressed on this forum do not help. The Trust will not be distracted as it is ambitious. Zoe makes some valid points on improving Trust engagement but underestimates the traffic on Trust digital platforms. In the past year the Trust has updated and improved its website which will allow improved interaction going forward.
7. Zoe continues her campaign that the Trust is not proactive which is utterly false, we are ahead of the game in many areas, but perhaps we don’t sell our successes well enough. The loyalty of Trust members suggest that many of them support the actions of the Board.

Yes Zoe I’m sure I could do more but as a clinically vulnerable man of 73 years with many auto-immune issues, and incurable and worsening heart disease (I was given two years to live in 2012) I’m trying my best as I know you are.

These are my thoughts - other colleagues also give freely of their time and other resources, I’ll let them speak for themselves. I do not enjoy responding in this way - I’d much rather just do things quietly, knowing I’ve done my bit to help our supporters but the the bile and bitterness from fellow supporters to Trust Board members cannot be ignored - never constructive, always destructive.

My mother who died in 1968 always told me - ‘if you can’t find anything nice to say about someone, then don’t say anything’.
That has stood with me throughout my life - its led to lasting friendships in personal and work life, and helped break down barriers.

If you want other views on the Trust why not contact -
1. Nicholas Randall QC - The Chairman - or get the Forza leaders to ask when they next meet him.
2. Jonny Owen - a Director.
3. Gary Birtles - a Forest legend.
4. Lindsey Harkin - NFFC Women.
5. NFDSA.
6. The FSA.
7. Those who benefit from Trust food collections.


Finally, as a football supporter and as a dedicated Forest fan who attends nearly every game home and away and talks to fellow supporters (and supporters of other teams) I have my own thoughts on the game. What is clear is that at long last supporters have a seat at the table to influence the future. We need to seize this opportunity by working together and stopping the criticism.

The FSA and Forest know this - what about all our supporter groups?

FTID

Cue more hostility from some Forza members.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

That's great however this isn't a Zoe thing, this isn't an LTLF thing, this isn't a Forza thing, this is the general feeling amongst Forest fans of what The Trust is.

Maybe a bit of inward thinking about why that might be would be worth considering?

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[StuC]

I’m impressed the forum allowed a post that long!

 

[Morpeth]

I’m impressed the forum allowed a post that long!

You may want to have a peek at the settings.

 

[Flaggers]

I’m impressed the forum allowed a post that long!

I'm impressed that we didn't charge membership to post an opinion

 

[Morpeth]

Fresh from a Forum break and a trip to Newcastle.

This is a lengthy response to correct errors and misstatements in this and other more recent posts, add more information, and to suggest critics talk to various people and organisations close to Forest for their views on the Trust.

As ever ‘I say what I mean and I mean what I say’ with honesty and integrity.

Some truths -
1. The Trust does not claim to represent all Forest fans nor should it, nor should any other supporter group.
2. The Trust has a wider responsibility beyond the football club for the community as per its Constitution.
3. The Trust recognises the wider interests of football supporters and the National Game. This is why it actively participates with FSA on football matters of national importance including the Fan Led Review, stewarding and safety, fixture scheduling. No other Forest Supporter Group is as actively engaged in this way. Of the five Forest Supporter Groups three are affiliate (full) members of the FSA, the DSA an associate member, and Forza is not a member. There may be others like myself who are individual members. FSA has regular face to face dialogue with the FA & PL at the most senior level.
4. Zoe (and others) imply that the relationship with the Football Club is soft - wrong. Contrary to uninformed opinion on here it is a very professional, holding to account relationship as recognised by Trust members who are asked to submit their key concerns, so that the Club Chairman can be quizzed and provide a written response. None of the questions at the recent Q & A were provided by the Club - every single one was based on Trust member submissions. Holding to account is a role in which I have extensive experience in very recent years as Chair of Audit and Governance at organisations larger than Forest so the Trust is well informed on this role. Also like Zoe there are occasions when the Trust is aware of confidential issues which it always respects.
5. Zoe states that our meetings with the Club are tea and cakes - not so it’s business (although I did ask for a glass of water in a meeting with Dane shortly after his arrival as Chief Executive). There is high and earned respect between the Club and Trust which is why the Club Chairman allowed a recorded interview last year which was made available on the website; and more recently the documented response on current issues including ticketing which again was made available. Last season I missed two home games through illness - I contacted COVID for the Liverpool game but called a Forest contact on the morning of the game to allow free use use of my paid for tickets to worthy supporters. This happened and a senior person heard about this and offered me two corporate tickets with food at a future game - which I kindly refused because it’s not something I could ever accept. No Trust Board member would ever take any offer of tickets and/or hospitality from the Club - the rules also require that should any hospitality ever be offered it must be reported to the Board. Even the two season tickets received by the Trust as part of the player sponsorship of the Womens Team are offered to Trust (not board) members.
6. Zoe has suggested that the Trust Board are lazy - ironic as a Board member has just taken four days annual leave from paid employment to spend that time principally on Trust matters. I spend a minimum of ten to twelve hours weekly dedicated to Trust business, much more some weeks, and I did so through holidays in Cornwall and North Yorkshire in June and July. Much of this time is directly on NFST business - issues for members, issues with Forest, services to members and the community, building relationships with the NFFC Womens team (the Trust sponsor a player each season), working with various FSA staff, preparing reports to the Trust Board, reports to FSA and it’s networks (and attending their zoom meetings), raising issues with PL (EFL last season), writing and talking to Clubs about issues encountered by our fans at away games. I am also one of a small number of people working with the FSA on the Fan Led Review of the Womens Game - last month I spent a very long day working on the Womens Game - plus a 250 mile round car journey. I write reports for the website on a range of issues - summarising after research the financial and FFP position of all clubs in the Championship, the Fan Led Review, Fixture Scheduling etc. I’m partway through a review of Trust governance arrangements - Constitution, policies etc; and I’m heavily involved in a major Trust Board meeting to review Trust operations on Sunday. The latter is no problem as I’ll be up at 6.00am preparing for the day, leaving home at 8.00am for the meeting at 10.00am and hoping to grab a bite to eat before the 2.00pm kick off. I’m also picking up our guest at the meeting, the FSA deputy CX, who is a founder member of possibly the best Trust in England - Red and White Army (SAFC) because we wish to learn from the best.
For what it’s worth I’m also heavily involved in the new NFDSA - securing grants and other support, plus researching options on organisational structure - charity, limited liability company etc. These tasks are in addition to Trust duties and are very onerous. Today I’ve prepared a request to Forest about carer tickets.
My time commitment excludes addressing issues on this forum.
So thanks for the suggestion, Zoe, but I‘ll struggle to find more time to get off my backside.
6. The Trust can do more but it needs greater capacity - more volunteers. Sadly the negative views expressed on this forum do not help. The Trust will not be distracted as it is ambitious. Zoe makes some valid points on improving Trust engagement but underestimates the traffic on Trust digital platforms. In the past year the Trust has updated and improved its website which will allow improved interaction going forward.
7. Zoe continues her campaign that the Trust is not proactive which is utterly false, we are ahead of the game in many areas, but perhaps we don’t sell our successes well enough. The loyalty of Trust members suggest that many of them support the actions of the Board.

Yes Zoe I’m sure I could do more but as a clinically vulnerable man of 73 years with many auto-immune issues, and incurable and worsening heart disease (I was given two years to live in 2012) I’m trying my best as I know you are.

These are my thoughts - other colleagues also give freely of their time and other resources, I’ll let them speak for themselves. I do not enjoy responding in this way - I’d much rather just do things quietly, knowing I’ve done my bit to help our supporters but the the bile and bitterness from fellow supporters to Trust Board members cannot be ignored - never constructive, always destructive.

My mother who died in 1968 always told me - ‘if you can’t find anything nice to say about someone, then don’t say anything’.
That has stood with me throughout my life - its led to lasting friendships in personal and work life, and helped break down barriers.

If you want other views on the Trust why not contact -
1. Nicholas Randall QC - The Chairman - or get the Forza leaders to ask when they next meet him.
2. Jonny Owen - a Director.
3. Gary Birtles - a Forest legend.
4. Lindsey Harkin - NFFC Women.
5. NFDSA.
6. The FSA.
7. Those who benefit from Trust food collections.


Finally, as a football supporter and as a dedicated Forest fan who attends nearly every game home and away and talks to fellow supporters (and supporters of other teams) I have my own thoughts on the game. What is clear is that at long last supporters have a seat at the table to influence the future. We need to seize this opportunity by working together and stopping the criticism.

The FSA and Forest know this - what about all our supporter groups?

FTID

Cue more hostility from some Forza members.

I feel like you might be flogging a dead horse here. No one doubts the intentions of the Trust but it’s the total inability to grasp that most people don’t support Forest in the same way as you do that seems to be getting everyone’s backs up.

Most people don’t want to waste energy on overly formal meetings that are minuted, with apologies, where sod all happens. Despite what you might think, that’s all you’re doing and some of us have enough of that at work. The Trust may as well be a service of a council as it faffs around, talks a hell of a lot (evidence above) but ultimately, I think it’s fair to say, does nowt but doesn’t actually realise it does nowt.

 

[Notcher]

I feel like you might be flogging a dead horse here. No one doubts the intentions of the Trust but it’s the total inability to grasp that most people don’t support Forest in the same way as you do that seems to be getting everyone’s backs up.

Most people don’t want to waste energy on overly formal meetings that are minuted, with apologies, where sod all happens. Despite what you might think, that’s all you’re doing and some of us have enough of that at work. The Trust may as well be a service of a council as it faffs around, talks a hell of a lot (evidence above) but ultimately, I think it’s fair to say, does nowt but doesn’t actually realise it does nowt.

It likes to convince others it does something in order for a few to have self perpetuating importance and to tell their friends they attend board meetings at a high profile football club and a few of its celebrities. It's served absolutely no purpose and has always been a closed shop whilst using the term "speaking on behalf of trust members" to appear much larger than it actually is.

It continually fails to acknowledge the perception of it from the outside whilst knocking back assistance from much larger groups to give it a wider representation and any criticism has been met with attempts to silence and shut people up.

It never has or never will represent me or anyone that I know for that matter. It lost any opportunity to bring me back onside a long time ago and recent comments just go to highlight that nothing has changed.

A complete overhaul with a new trust and far reaching committee representing all major fan groups, forums, season card holders, home & away members would be far more open and representative.



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[Master Yates]

I’d bet a large amount of money that most members of “the Trust” are also:

A) local councillors
B) chair the PTA at their kid’s school
C) head of the neighbourhood watch
D) all of the above

If you have to keep telling people how great and important you are, you probably aren’t.


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[Louth Red]

I’d bet a large amount of money that most members of “the Trust” are also:

A) local councillors
B) chair the PTA at their kid’s school
C) head of the neighbourhood watch
D) all of the above

If you have to keep telling people how great and important you are, you probably aren’t.


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Incorrect

 

[Louth Red]

It likes to convince others it does something in order for a few to have self perpetuating importance and to tell their friends they attend board meetings at a high profile football club and a few of its celebrities. It's served absolutely no purpose and has always been a closed shop whilst using the term "speaking on behalf of trust members" to appear much larger than it actually is.

It continually fails to acknowledge the perception of it from the outside whilst knocking back assistance from much larger groups to give it a wider representation and any criticism has been met with attempts to silence and shut people up.

It never has or never will represent me or anyone that I know for that matter. It lost any opportunity to bring me back onside a long time ago and recent comments just go to highlight that nothing has changed.

A complete overhaul with a new trust and far reaching committee representing all major fan groups, forums, season card holders, home & away members would be far more open and representative.



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Bringing together all fan groups together is the aim but whilst retaining their own identity - whose up for it?

 

[Bonalair]

That's great however this isn't a Zoe thing, this isn't an LTLF thing, this isn't a Forza thing, this is the general feeling amongst Forest fans of what The Trust is.

Maybe a bit of inward thinking about why that might be would be worth considering?

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Sounds like you think you speak for all the fans there?