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Financial Fair Play (FFP)

Rzar said:
Where have you seen the covered period?

The only mention I see is it's assessed over March to March with an October assessment in the middle. I haven't seen a June 30 period mentioned anywhere.
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It's on the Premier League website and will be in the new handbook when it is out in August. The only reason March and October come into it as they are the points when expenditure is fixed and known (base income is agreed at the beginning of the season so can only go up not down during the season - e.g. if a club budgeted to finish top 6 but finished 17th the drop in income doesn't get included).
 
As I used to do my day-to-day accounts on the back of a fag packet (the accountant did them properly), I don't understand all this mumbo-jumbo, because you guys are just muddying the water by giving such divergent opinions.

So I suppose I'll just have to leave it to the club to give me their answer.
 
I don't understand why they don't align it to be the same time as the transfer window opening or closing.

Selling Brennan was a good example of the disparity and really it shouldn't matter when you sell the player.
 
Statto said:
I don't understand why they don't align it to be the same time as the transfer window opening or closing.

Selling Brennan was a good example of the disparity and really it shouldn't matter when you sell the player.
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I am pretty sure it is

I would like to see it confirmed but will await the handbook as @Bing Crosby's Head said, I can't find anything on the site referencing the June/July dates.
 
I believe UEFA link profit income to transfer windows (but also do calendar year assessment), rather than specific dates. It would make sense for the PL to align with the transfer window rule i.e. average net profit over the last 6 transfer windows is added to income for the assessment period.

That would mean Anderson timing wouldn't matter.

Perhaps best to do the legal deal now, but hand transfer sheet in on 1 July just in case - if that's possible.
 
Rzar said:
I am pretty sure it is

I would like to see it confirmed but will await the handbook as @Bing Crosby's Head said, I can't find anything on the site referencing the June/July dates.
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What period does SCR cover?​


The Premier League’s SCR Rules will run on a seasonal basis to align with how clubs currently prepare budgets, annual accounts and forecasts. This is different to UEFA’s regulations which run on a calendar year basis.


How frequently is SCR assessed?​


A club’s SCR is assessed once a year in March following the Winter Transfer Window (1 March), with monitoring also undertaken in October of each year. Clubs who are above the 85% threshold following the test in March are then assessed post-season in June and October.
 
Bing Crosby's Head said:

What period does SCR cover?​


The Premier League’s SCR Rules will run on a seasonal basis to align with how clubs currently prepare budgets, annual accounts and forecasts. This is different to UEFA’s regulations which run on a calendar year basis.


How frequently is SCR assessed?​


A club’s SCR is assessed once a year in March following the Winter Transfer Window (1 March), with monitoring also undertaken in October of each year. Clubs who are above the 85% threshold following the test in March are then assessed post-season in June and October.
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That still doesn't imply the cut off is going to remain the same?

I still interpret that as March to March.
 
Rzar said:
That still doesn't imply the cut off is going to remain the same?

I still interpret that as March to March.
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"seasonal basis to align with how clubs currently prepare budgets, annual accounts and forecasts"

In England, all clubs currently work on 1st July to 30th June. So that's what it'd align to.

Where March comes into it is that by then clubs have mostly locked in on how much they're going to be spending for the rest of the season and so can submit reasonably accurate predictive results.
 
incident said:
"seasonal basis to align with how clubs currently prepare budgets, annual accounts and forecasts"

In England, all clubs currently work on 1st July to 30th June. So that's what it'd align to.

Where March comes into it is that by then clubs have mostly locked in on how much they're going to be spending for the rest of the season and so can submit reasonably accurate predictive results.
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Agree, implies they’ll do a check in March before June cut off, then reassess post cut off later in the year. March being the heads up for clubs to sort crap out before closing out accounts.
 
I hope you all realise with or without FFP we are fecked anyway. FFP is holding back Newcastle, Villa and Everton. Maranakis is one the poorest oweners in the division. He couldn’t outspend other clubs without FFP anyway. If we want a fairer system than salary caps and revenue sharing is the only way to close the gaps. Only Newcastle fans should feel properly aggrieved by FFP.
 
EmmersonForest4 said:
I hope you all realise with or without FFP we are fecked anyway. FFP is holding back Newcastle, Villa and Everton. Maranakis is one the poorest oweners in the division. He couldn’t outspend other clubs without FFP anyway. If we want a fairer system than salary caps and revenue sharing is the only way to close the gaps. Only Newcastle fans should feel properly aggrieved by FFP.
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As an aside, got to love the word Division.

Those were the days.
 
EmmersonForest4 said:
I hope you all realise with or without FFP we are fecked anyway. FFP is holding back Newcastle, Villa and Everton. Maranakis is one the poorest oweners in the division. He couldn’t outspend other clubs without FFP anyway. If we want a fairer system than salary caps and revenue sharing is the only way to close the gaps. Only Newcastle fans should feel properly aggrieved by FFP.
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Not sure Marinakis is one of the poorest owners. Forbes says net worth of 7 billion. Plus unlike a lot of the American hedge fund owners, football seems to be in his blood, rather than just an investment vehicle.
 
Wred said:
Not sure Marinakis is one of the poorest owners. Forbes says net worth of 7 billion. Plus unlike a lot of the American hedge fund owners, football seems to be in his blood, rather than just an investment vehicle.
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Last time I saw Forest were 16th on the rich list in the prem. FFP is not the reason we won’t progress. I’m not having a go at maranakis. It just is what it is. So arguments between FFP vs No FFP are a bit futile for us. This is what ChatGPT said actually

  1. Newcastle United – Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF) – ~£723bn
  2. Manchester City – City Football Group / Sheikh Mansour & Silver Lake – ~£24.5bn
  3. Manchester United – Glazer Family & Sir Jim Ratcliffe – ~£20.5bn
  4. Chelsea – Clearlake Capital, Todd Boehly & partners – ~£19bn
  5. Arsenal – Stan Kroenke – ~£16.1bn
  6. Crystal Palace – Woody Johnson, Josh Harris, David Blitzer & Steve Parish – ~£13.7bn
  7. Fulham – Shahid Khan – ~£10.9bn
  8. West Ham United – David Sullivan, Daniel Křetínský & partners – ~£10.1bn
  9. Aston Villa – Nassef Sawiris & Wes Edens – ~£8.1bn
  10. Everton – The Friedkin Group – ~£7.1bn
  11. Leeds United – 49ers Enterprises – ~£6.4bn
  12. Liverpool – Fenway Sports Group (John Henry & Tom Werner) – ~£5.8bn
  13. Tottenham Hotspur – ENIC Group (Joe Lewis family) – ~£5.2bn
  14. Wolverhampton Wanderers – Fosun International – ~£4.5bn
  15. AFC Bournemouth – Bill Foley – ~£1.6bn
  16. Brighton & Hove Albion – Tony Bloom – ~£1.4bn
  17. Nottingham Forest – Evangelos Marinakis – ~£1.0bn
  18. Brentford – Matthew Benham – ~£700m
  19. Burnley – ALK Capital – ~£500m
  20. Sunderland – Kyril Louis-Dreyfus & consortium – ~£300m–£400m
 
This is revenue made shows why we need the stadium situation sorted and just staying as the status quo is harming our progression. So we either need to move or expand asap.

  1. Manchester City – ~£715m
  2. Manchester United – ~£651m
  3. Liverpool – ~£615m
  4. Arsenal – ~£600m
  5. Tottenham Hotspur – ~£550m
  6. Chelsea – ~£470m
  7. Newcastle United – ~£320m
  8. Aston Villa – ~£310m
  9. West Ham United – ~£300m
  10. Everton – ~£275m
  11. Brighton & Hove Albion – ~£220m
  12. Wolverhampton Wanderers – ~£200m
  13. Nottingham Forest – ~£190m
  14. Fulham – ~£185m
  15. Crystal Palace – ~£180m
  16. Brentford – ~£170m
  17. Leeds United – ~£130m
  18. AFC Bournemouth – ~£125m
  19. Burnley – ~£120m
  20. Sunderland – ~£60m
 
isaacs said:
I mean after reading that comprehensive black and white report you posted Emmo i reckon i'm going to pack this supporting a football club lark in, actually the club should just pack it in too because whats the point?

Do you honestly ever, get some joy out of football? Ever??
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The joy is still there for me, and will remain even if we are eventually relegated.
However, the ownership by foreign governments, gambling syndicates, pornographers, money launderers, and the power of media tycoons and moronic rule changes, and incompetent, possibly corrupt officials on and off the pitch all chip away at the enjoyment and make me increasingly cynical about the idea football is a sport played on a “level playing field “.
Move the ground away from the City Ground and it may prove a tipping point for me.
 
EmmersonForest4 said:
Last time I saw Forest were 16th on the rich list in the prem. FFP is not the reason we won’t progress. I’m not having a go at maranakis. It just is what it is. So arguments between FFP vs No FFP are a bit futile for us. This is what ChatGPT said actually

  1. Newcastle United – Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF) – ~£723bn
  2. Manchester City – City Football Group / Sheikh Mansour & Silver Lake – ~£24.5bn
  3. Manchester United – Glazer Family & Sir Jim Ratcliffe – ~£20.5bn
  4. Chelsea – Clearlake Capital, Todd Boehly & partners – ~£19bn
  5. Arsenal – Stan Kroenke – ~£16.1bn
  6. Crystal Palace – Woody Johnson, Josh Harris, David Blitzer & Steve Parish – ~£13.7bn
  7. Fulham – Shahid Khan – ~£10.9bn
  8. West Ham United – David Sullivan, Daniel Křetínský & partners – ~£10.1bn
  9. Aston Villa – Nassef Sawiris & Wes Edens – ~£8.1bn
  10. Everton – The Friedkin Group – ~£7.1bn
  11. Leeds United – 49ers Enterprises – ~£6.4bn
  12. Liverpool – Fenway Sports Group (John Henry & Tom Werner) – ~£5.8bn
  13. Tottenham Hotspur – ENIC Group (Joe Lewis family) – ~£5.2bn
  14. Wolverhampton Wanderers – Fosun International – ~£4.5bn
  15. AFC Bournemouth – Bill Foley – ~£1.6bn
  16. Brighton & Hove Albion – Tony Bloom – ~£1.4bn
  17. Nottingham Forest – Evangelos Marinakis – ~£1.0bn
  18. Brentford – Matthew Benham – ~£700m
  19. Burnley – ALK Capital – ~£500m
  20. Sunderland – Kyril Louis-Dreyfus & consortium – ~£300m–£400m
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This list seems somewhat pointless, palace, West Ham and wolves all multiple times more than usn it’s about whether the owner puts his money where his mouth is or just sits there and says he’s rich and owns a football club. Ours has proved he’d not afraid to money round.
 
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