Europa League 25/26

jack744

jack744

First Team Squad
Trents said:
Rewarding loyalty should be the starting point of any ticketing priority system.
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While ours is based on a single season 5 years ago when we just happened to get promoted. Even today's sales windows were based on whether you got into that now-closed shop!

Surely, 16 games into a competition, attendance at those games should rank above whether you were lucky enough to qualify for and buy a season card and/or away membership once upon a time?

I'm shouting into the void, I know.
 
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SandyReid

Youth Team
jack744 said:
While ours is based on a single season 5 years ago when we just happened to get promoted. Even today's sales windows were based on whether you got into that now-closed shop!

Surely, 16 games into a competition, attendance at those games should rank above whether you were lucky enough to qualify for and buy a season card and/or away membership once upon a time?

I'm shouting into the void, I know.
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I feel for you. I count my lucky stars most days when I look at all the matches I’ve been to after impulsively buying half season tickets after Grabban knocked Arsenal out the cup.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Trents said:
Rewarding loyalty should be the starting point of any ticketing priority system.
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True to an extent but then it would be a closed shop.

I was born at the right time for Forest, me and my dad got a season ticket when I was about 10 when we were in League One. If I was the same age at any point in the past 5 years, I would never be able to get in the door if ticketing was always based on loyalty nor would I have an opportunity to build up any loyalty. I probably wouldn't even care about football.

This is why we need a bigger stadium, people that make snarky comments every time we don't sell out instantly proving in their mind we don't need a bigger stadium need to bare this in mind & stop being selfish. It's not necessary to sell out every single game instantly, it's about accessibility which will allow people to attend games more casually and prevent arguments about who's more loyal, when some people have a 30 year advantage on others.

There is no ticket waiting/loyalty system that will be fair to everyone, only solution is to get a bigger stadium.
 
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SKOL

A. Trialist
thehockleyhustler said:
Spot on. A season ticket holder who has had no interest in Europa league all season has priority over someone who has travelled all over Europe following us in early rounds. Doesn't sit right with me.
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Agree and think the same could also be applied to the season ticket waiting list. Club have dug a hole for themselves using membership category. Pro/Plus/Core membership are a bit of a hybrid purchase history, plus 'Fastest finger' on a random day in July after promotion (for legacy Gold/Silver/Bronze memberships).

I know Pro members who pick and choose matches, but also Core members on season ticket waiting list who have hardly missed a game in 4 seasons. Doesn't sit right with me that spare season tickets are allocated by membership (i.e. Pro first) rather than loyalty.

Personally, I think a much fairer system would be what many 'Big six' clubs do. Prioritise new season tickets by chronological date of list joining, plus some measure of loyalty to weed out people not attending matches (e.g. Attended minimum X). More transparent.... e.g. ask an Arsenal fan and they will often know their number.
 
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Notcher

Notcher

Ian Bowyer
SKOL said:
Agree and think the same could also be applied to the season ticket waiting list. Club have dug a hole for themselves using membership category. Pro/Plus/Core membership are a bit of a hybrid purchase history, plus 'Fastest finger' on a random day in July after promotion (for legacy Gold/Silver/Bronze memberships).

I know Pro members who pick and choose matches, but also Core members on season ticket waiting list who have hardly missed a game in 4 seasons. Doesn't sit right with me that spare season tickets are allocated by membership (i.e. Pro first) rather than loyalty.

Personally, I think a much fairer system would be what many 'Big six' clubs do. Prioritise new season tickets by chronological date of list joining, plus some measure of loyalty to weed out people not attending matches (e.g. Attended minimum X). More transparent.... e.g. ask an Arsenal fan and they will often know their number.
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Sheffield United do theirs on a points system.

You're a given a certain number points for attending a home game but you will be given more points for attending an early round league cup game than you would for going to someone like Liverpool in the premier league. This is a good way of allowing people to build up points and incentives going to the less appealing games in order to build up points.

They then release tickets to people in order of points give a points number. So first release to anyone with e.g 10,000+ points, second release to anyone with 8,000+ points etc.

The bigger the game, the higher they set the points threshold.

My mate said it works quite well and they've gone to games they wouldn't normally have bothered with in order to make sure they have enough points for appealing games later in the season.
 
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Gaz1980

Geoff Thomas
My lad has been a gold/pro member since promotion, been to every single league and cup game but hasn't had a sniff of a season ticket offering yet. I doubt there are many members that have a 4 year 100% attendance rating like he does so i've always assumed that he'd be near the top of the waiting list.

However - i read somewhere on here that it's not all about the attendance figures from the last 4 years in Prem, and that Forest go further back and someone who was a member before promotion but only goes to a handful of games per season is higher up the chain.

I'm not sure if that's correct or not - but if it is, it's shameful charging to be on a waiting list.
 
Shearstone

Shearstone

Derby delenda est
Gaz1980 said:
My lad has been a gold/pro member since promotion, been to every single league and cup game but hasn't had a sniff of a season ticket offering yet. I doubt there are many members that have a 4 year 100% attendance rating like he does so i've always assumed that he'd be near the top of the waiting list.

However - i read somewhere on here that it's not all about the attendance figures from the last 4 years in Prem, and that Forest go further back and someone who was a member before promotion but only goes to a handful of games per season is higher up the chain.

I'm not sure if that's correct or not - but if it is, it's shameful charging to be on a waiting list.
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Sadly I think it's true because it makes financial sense to the club and they see as as customers first not supporters.

People like me and your lad are going to the games and paying the premium so giving us a season ticket means we save money but from the clubs perspective they don't. Instead of getting £1,000 out of us they will get £600. But the pro member only going to say 6 games a season, well offering them a season ticket means the club make more money from this person.
 
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Gaz1980

Geoff Thomas
Shearstone said:
Sadly I think it's true because it makes financial sense to the club and they see as as customers first not supporters.

People like me and your lad are going to the games and paying the premium so giving us a season ticket means we save money but from the clubs perspective they don't. Instead of getting £1,000 out of us they will get £600. But the pro member only going to say 6 games a season, well offering them a season ticket means the club make more money from this person.
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I get it, (from the clubs financial point of view) but morally it's shocking for the likes of yourself and my lad as we've never been told what the criteria is clearly enough. If i knew my lad was no where near making the cut, he'd have missed games for sure.

Again though - selling the dream to folk below Pro Membership is bad showing by the club.
 
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Shearstone

Shearstone

Derby delenda est
Gaz1980 said:
I get it, (from the clubs financial point of view) but morally it's shocking for the likes of yourself and my lad as we've never been told what the criteria is clearly enough. If i knew my lad was no where near making the cut, he'd have missed games for sure.

Again though - selling the dream to folk below Pro Membership is bad showing by the club.
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Yeah I will probably miss games next year as the prices keep on going up for tickets but this seasons home form has burnt me out. Be funny if I get offered a season ticket next season for no longer going to all the games :ROFLMAO:.

You're right about it being a bad showing from the club, as for many people the amount we spend as a pro/plus member is an investment towards a season ticket but after a while if one isn't forthcoming you have to consider it a bad investment and step back.

I wouldn't be that pissed off about it except Season ticket holders keep getting extra benefits from the club. Like getting cheaper European ticket prices than members.
 
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Gaz1980

Geoff Thomas
I've just emailed the ticket office asking for the clubs criteria and Billy (always very helpful) has come back with the following (hope it helps) -

Hi,

Thank you for your email.

Any quantity of new Season Card sales will be dependent on what ownership permits us to sell. As the Season Card Waiting List is intertwined with our membership structure, the criteria we specify would be dependent on how many we're allowed to sell, whilst booking history would also be taken into consideration.

We will initially consider 22/23 Gold members that have held top tier membership each season since then, and have significant booking history across that same period, before considering 22/23 Silver members that have held top tier membership each season since then.

As and when your son is eligible, an email will be sent to the email address on his customer number. Whether that will be ahead of next season, or in the future, is unknown as it's entirely dependent on variables we don't know at this time,

Kind regards,

Billy.
 
Trents

Trents

Stuart Pearce
Gaz1980 said:
I've just emailed the ticket office asking for the clubs criteria and Billy (always very helpful) has come back with the following (hope it helps) -

Hi,

Thank you for your email.

Any quantity of new Season Card sales will be dependent on what ownership permits us to sell. As the Season Card Waiting List is intertwined with our membership structure, the criteria we specify would be dependent on how many we're allowed to sell, whilst booking history would also be taken into consideration.

We will initially consider 22/23 Gold members that have held top tier membership each season since then, and have significant booking history across that same period, before considering 22/23 Silver members that have held top tier membership each season since then.

As and when your son is eligible, an email will be sent to the email address on his customer number. Whether that will be ahead of next season, or in the future, is unknown as it's entirely dependent on variables we don't know at this time,

Kind regards,

Billy.
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Good that they look at booking history but still, it seems there are looking at how long you've been a member just as much if not more than how many times you've actually been to a match. That isn't so good.
 
RedRobbo

RedRobbo

Jack Armstrong
I still believe that in creating a priority list for the game at Villa Park they could/should’ve taken the attendance at the home EL games into consideration. No idea if this would’ve been feasible but to acknowledge those loyal supporters would’ve been right.

And - though this doesn’t seem right - I seem to recall that, in order to maintain away membership for next season the minimum requirement this season was to attend just 3 games! Can anyone verify this - my memory is not what it once was.
 
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Cloughie1975

Stuart Pearce
RedRobbo said:
I still believe that in creating a priority list for the game at Villa Park they could/should’ve taken the attendance at the home EL games into consideration. No idea if this would’ve been feasible but to acknowledge those loyal supporters would’ve been right.

And - though this doesn’t seem right - I seem to recall that, in order to maintain away membership for next season the minimum requirement this season was to attend just 3 games! Can anyone verify this - my memory is not what it once was.
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Yes-it was 3 Premier League away games,Robbo-although the club did say they were considering revamping the away membership system (God knows what they might come up with as there is no absolutely fair system).

If we were to suffer relegation then I reckon the demand for tickets will mysteriously start to diminish both home and away-especially if we start to tread water.
 
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SKOL

A. Trialist
RedRobbo said:
I still believe that in creating a priority list for the game at Villa Park they could/should’ve taken the attendance at the home EL games into consideration. No idea if this would’ve been feasible but to acknowledge those loyal supporters would’ve been right.

And - though this doesn’t seem right - I seem to recall that, in order to maintain away membership for next season the minimum requirement this season was to attend just 3 games! Can anyone verify this - my memory is not what it once was.
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Agree home/away attendance for Europa should count in some way above membership tiers. Hopefully, it we did get to the final this would be considered so people that have not bothered to attend don't priority.

As for Away membership renewal, yes I think its still 3 matches to retain. I do feel sorry for some loyal supporters that lost theirs couple of seasons ago when away tickets were a 10am bun fight. I know a few that did not make renewal criteria, not through lack of trying just outgunned by younger members (more tech savvy).
 
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redodare

Viv Anderson
Gaz1980 said:
My lad has been a gold/pro member since promotion, been to every single league and cup game but hasn't had a sniff of a season ticket offering yet. I doubt there are many members that have a 4 year 100% attendance rating like he does so i've always assumed that he'd be near the top of the waiting list.

However - i read somewhere on here that it's not all about the attendance figures from the last 4 years in Prem, and that Forest go further back and someone who was a member before promotion but only goes to a handful of games per season is higher up the chain.

I'm not sure if that's correct or not - but if it is, it's shameful charging to be on a waiting list.
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I know of cases a couple of years ago where members were offered ST's after they took Championship attendance into consideration alongside PL attendance.

Don't know if that remains the case. Presume it older season attendances start to drop off replaced by new data.

Overall, It would be so much easier if the club published the criteria that they use to make decisions and when it comes to new season tickets and allocating away games tickets and memberships including the numbers of people who are feasibly eligible for each window - so folk can see their chances of getting tickets and diminish some of the speculation.
 
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LiarsBar

First Team Squad
Gaz1980 said:
My lad has been a gold/pro member since promotion, been to every single league and cup game but hasn't had a sniff of a season ticket offering yet. I doubt there are many members that have a 4 year 100% attendance rating like he does so i've always assumed that he'd be near the top of the waiting list.

However - i read somewhere on here that it's not all about the attendance figures from the last 4 years in Prem, and that Forest go further back and someone who was a member before promotion but only goes to a handful of games per season is higher up the chain.

I'm not sure if that's correct or not - but if it is, it's shameful charging to be on a waiting list.
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Gaz1980 said:
I've just emailed the ticket office asking for the clubs criteria and Billy (always very helpful) has come back with the following (hope it helps) -

Hi,

Thank you for your email.

Any quantity of new Season Card sales will be dependent on what ownership permits us to sell. As the Season Card Waiting List is intertwined with our membership structure, the criteria we specify would be dependent on how many we're allowed to sell, whilst booking history would also be taken into consideration.

We will initially consider 22/23 Gold members that have held top tier membership each season since then, and have significant booking history across that same period, before considering 22/23 Silver members that have held top tier membership each season since then.

As and when your son is eligible, an email will be sent to the email address on his customer number. Whether that will be ahead of next season, or in the future, is unknown as it's entirely dependent on variables we don't know at this time,

Kind regards,

Billy.
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Good old Billy, always been great with me too when I’ve messaged him.
I’m in the same boat, Gold/Pro since promotion and not missed a match.
Mate at work got a membership halfway through the promotion season, so he got a gold/pro same as me on promotion, but only went to half the games for 3 seasons …..then gets offered a season ticket for this season. Sickening.
All because of that membership in 21/22.
Why would they offer me and your lad a season ticket when we’re paying over £1000 a season now and with a full history they know we will keep doing it too.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Es gibt nur einen
LTLF Minion
LiarsBar said:
I’m in the same boat, Gold/Pro since promotion and not missed a match.
Mate at work got a membership halfway through the promotion season, so he got a gold/pro same as me on promotion, but only went to half the games for 3 seasons …..then gets offered a season ticket for this season. Sickening.
All because of that membership in 21/22.
Why would they offer me and your lad a season ticket when we’re paying over £1000 a season now and with a full history they know we will keep doing it too.
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Well you answered your own question there - they know pretty much they'll get a Grand off you per season, instead of 600 quid (or whatever is now) for doing absolutely nothing.

And that's absolutely rotten.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Es gibt nur einen
LTLF Minion
Shearstone said:
Yup like I said it genuinely incentivises me and others to skip games next year.
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I mean, when I last held a Season Ticket at Forest (coming up on ten years ago) I was paying 440 quid a season, and that was for (of course) 23 games.

Now you're paying a grand for 19 matches? I mean, I'm sure the club do the maths, but it just comes across to me as a bit grubby, given the ludicrous amounts of billions in television money the Premier League gropes in.
 
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YouReds43

Grenville Morris
It just dawned on me that if we win the Europa League we would be playing in the Super Cup against either PSG/Bayern/Arsenal/Atletico 🤣
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Strummer said:
I mean, when I last held a Season Ticket at Forest (coming up on ten years ago) I was paying 440 quid a season, and that was for (of course) 23 games.

Now you're paying a grand for 19 matches? I mean, I'm sure the club do the maths, but it just comes across to me as a bit grubby, given the ludicrous amounts of billions in television money the Premier League gropes in.
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£440 ten years ago worth about £700 now.

So the real cost rise is about 50% if your ticket is a grand, but mine is £700.

I feel I get reasonable value from it to be honest, compared to the cost ten years ago anyway. The matches are of significantly better quality and significantly more enjoyable. Any uplift feels worth it at current rates.
 
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