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Emmanuel Bonaventure Dennis

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Ste

First Team Squad
Rzar said:
It's between £12.5m-£15m with add-ons to take it to £20m whichever publication you chose to believe, not 20 upfront.

If Watford stayed up you would be paying much more than that. Same with Cornet who went for similar & had a similar impact.
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Cornet had a bit more history and experience with Lyon though, rather than a season with Koln and another with Watford...

£12.5-£15m seems a bit more reasonable if true though, but still not really modest.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

First Team Squad
HBB said:
Its a weird environment - I was on the sports desk of Sky News not on Sky Sports News though I was hired by Andy Cairns before he went on to start Sky Sports News, they were in the studios next to us and we shared alot of interviews and stuff with them. It was a weird place but then newsrooms are and 24 hours news rooms even more so - sounds like your mate was not on the news side of stuff so much as there there's a constant call for new stills, graphics, score updates etc its a constant churn. The graphics team we had would be 3-4 people at the same time.

On the other side you have the guys who work on the shows and they did a huge amount of f*** all - I used to have to go over to the production areas for Sky Sports live football and it was awful, proper lads club with Keyes and Gray the masters of all they surveyed. They treated us like shit and you'd have some hard working producers putting together the running order and the timings and all the clips while the "talent" did f*** all but that's the way TV is/was. They'd take all week to do those flashy little pieces and behind the scenes packages - while I'd be knocking out 20 or 30 videos a week on the news side.

On Sky News I'd be producing an hourly 5-7 min bulletin as part of a 12 hour shift (working a 9 day fortnight including every weekend) with back half hour updates covering live scores and breaking stories, writing and rewriting most of the copy and keeping it fresh, running in tapes to play live in to bulletins, sometimes producing it in the gallery with the director. It'd be expected to write and voice at least two news packages during my shift as well as producing the bulletins. If there was a live game I'd also have to do the bulletins with live scores and clips of the goals or highlights and write and voice a 1:30 report of the game as soon as it'd finished and make sure we recorded the 11:30 bulletin (if we were lucky) most likely it'd be the 12:30 so that'd go out overnight and then do a recut and revoice of the package for the morning including grabs from the post match interviews and make sure the morning producer (who'd be in at 4:30 am) had a 5 minute morning bulletin ready to go at 6:20 am (though they would be looking for new stories that had broken overnight). All the time of course you'd be fielding calls from the reporters in the field who'd be sending in new pieces for the bulletins and keeping an eye on the wires for breaking stories to keep your bulletin fresh, You wouldn't run a package more than 4-5 time maximum so you're always have to cut and recut.

And then at the weekend if you were on earlies (4:30am till 14:30pm) we'd have to do all that and the bulletins and produce a half-hour edition of Sportsline with goals, clips and guests and you had to produce from the gallery where you had to change the running order as things went over or under or fill an extra 15 minutes if Alan Mullery hadn't shown that morning (to be fair he was great).... and then still do another 5 hours or so after that.... and people wonder why I got out of "glamorous" live TV news....

Still miss it sometimes ...
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So Drop the Dead Donkey was an accurate portrayal of a TV news room then?
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

First Team Squad
HBB said:
LOL like I say I still miss it sometimes - I was a producer most of the time but would often be sent out to do reports I met just about every famous sportsperson of the era all the England boys Becks, Gazza, Psycho, Shearer (I was producing when we took the live feed of him being presented to the Geordie faithful - my then presenter Jon Desborough asked him about the money and he replied about being a sheet metal workers son) etc down at Bisham Abbey, D'allaglio, Johnno, Rob Andrew, Hastings, Carling and SA Captain Francois Pienaar in the Rugby. Monty, Woosnam, Henman, Rudeski, Torvil and Dean, Ferguson, Denise Lewis, Colin Jackson, Steve Cram, Michael Collins, Nigel Benn, the fantastic Chris Eubank and the very dull Joe Calzaghe, Lennox Lewis, even Muhammed Ali and Don King (that was surreal), Jackie Stewart, Damon Hill (we did the first live with him on the phone when he won his first title in Japan - again that was because Desborough had great contacts). The list is almost endless. We used to get Neil Webb in sometimes on Sportsline, he was a good lad. I remember asking him about his time at Forest and he was really open about how it'd all turned to shit at Utd.

But the hours and lack of a social life just killed all my passion in the end .... the day I knew I was over it was one night in 1998 when I was hoping to record the 11:30 bulletin to run overnight after a very long day when the phone rang, it was Harry Harris (then of the Mirror I think it was) anyway he owed us a favour and he was ringing from La Manga and the England Pre France '98 World Cup training camp and he'd just found out that Hoddle was not taking Gazza to the World Cup in France .... Obviously a massive story and normally you'd kick into high gear to get the story on air and give it the works so I'd be straight on the gallery to get the presenters to do a breaking news headline, order a gazza still from graphics, write a quick breaking new NIB for while ordering archive footage from the library of England training, Gazza goals, gazza and Hoddle, controversial gazza footage cut a headline VT and what we called and LVO for the back half hour and then do a quick package for overnight and one for the morning ... instead of the usual adrenaline from a big breaking news story all I could actually think was "f*** I was going to go home in 10 minutes" .... of course I did all the VT and the package etc but I knew after that I'd just worked myself in the ground ... I left in 2001.
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Purely out of curiosity what video editing tool did you use? I did a couple of training courses (Television Technology) with the BBC's training & development centre at Wood Norton in the mid-'00s. We used Media 100.
 
Calvin Plummer

Calvin Plummer

Viv Anderson
BryanRoy22 said:
Doing it in the Premier League at £20m compared to hasn't done it in the Premier League at £40m (MGW).

Not sure about a 4 minute video. I think a lot of Forest fans saw Dennis playing for Watford and have made their minds up.
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I was replying to someone talking about a YouTube video, not making a comment on Dennis. You might be impressed by them but I'm not.

However I'm more than happy having another threat, proven goals, pace etc at what's a very reasonable price for what he brings to the team.

It's not only more attacking options, it's pressure off the other forwards. We go from hoping 3 players can get 10 goals each, to 4 players getting 7 or 8. Everything is just that little bit more manageable.

Stretching teams down both flanks is going to be important.
 
G

gamble

Stuart Pearce
Just caught up with this thread what a ride, with regards to Henshaw and his conspiracy, maybe we've fully moved on from MGW and now we've gone for someone we can get rather than lay over the odds on an untested player.

With regards to Cooper, he obviously wants to see how he is backed through the WHOLE of the transfer window, I've no doubt he has agreed terms of a new deal but is waiting to make sure any promises be was made are not finagled. At the end of the day his reputation is on the line as much as ours is.

With regards to Watford fans, some fans will always say that the player isn't that good, or has a bad attitude etc, we saw that with Antonio and the opposite with After and the direct opposite has happened for both. Fans aren't always the best judge of character.
 
Bonalair

Bonalair

John Robertson
Jimmy said:
Purely out of curiosity what video editing tool did you use? I did a couple of training courses (Television Technology) with the BBC's training & development centre at Wood Norton in the mid-'00s. We used Media 100.
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Also purely out of curiosity HBB, what qualifications and other work did you do before that to lead you there? Always interested in the choices people make and where it takes them.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
Few pointless comments (as usual!).

The Watford shirt in the video pics looks like the Man City shirt worn at West Ham. Last night they wore a very plain yellow job.

I've met, been around many sportsmen and women. I've always said and still say it, that I'm not really interested in the player's attitude or personality, all I'm interested in is the talent and team work on the pitch.

Most of the sportsmen I've met have been simple souls, not unlike the chap you meet in the pub, you wouldn't know they had a talent or know they were well-known unless you happened to be clued up on that sport. Most are boring, some arrogant, some are even likeable.
 
HBB

HBB

Jack Burkitt
Jimmy said:
Purely out of curiosity what video editing tool did you use? I did a couple of training courses (Television Technology) with the BBC's training & development centre at Wood Norton in the mid-'00s. We used Media 100.
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Haha we didn't - this was old school we had VT editors - everything was on Beta tape. The BBC was late to the 24 hour news party but they could at least bring new tech to bear, Sky had been running for several years but was based on all the old tried and tested tech. They did try to poach me - but the second question in the interview was was I prepared to take a pay-cut. I said if that was a serious question then I think we're done here... always regretted that...

Alongside the Sky newsroom (and yes Drop the Dead Donkey was every accurate) there were 5 edit suites manned by an editor, and you had to tell the edit manager you needed a suite and how important your piece was and they'd get you in the next available suite with an editor. Inside you'd sit with the editor and lay your voice on the tape and they'd cut the pictures over the top, so you had to make sure you'd had all incidents time coded so you put the right tape in and where it was on the tape, I used to like to do pictures first then do my voice on top other did it the other way round. You had three large VT players/recorders so you'd copy from source one and two onto tape three which was the tape you used for play-out. When a football match was on we'd have the feed pumped to one of three recorders we had by the side of the news desk and whenever a goal was scored you'd take the tape out, replace it and run it down to the play-out machines by the side of the gallery - rewind it 20 secs tell the presenter the details in their earpiece from the gallery so they could talk about it and just make sure they stopped taking the pictures before you ran out of tape. On a Saturday we'd have all three machines running at the same time as we'd be taking live football as well as any other big sporting events as well, like the National or whatever was on.

It was seat of your pants stuff, they expected everything to be right and done now - if a wicket fell it should be on air within 30 secs.... I once had the news producer run in to the news room and scream at me that they wanted the wicket that had just fallen as the third headline VT at the top of the hour (it was 11:59) so when the presenter says "Coming up in Sky news ... John Major eats live Hamster... The Pope confirms they're actually a woman and in sport .........." they wanted the the wicket, I literally had to grab the tape run it down and get it lined up and then he turned and said "......... and!!!!!) - they had no words for the images and had just read the second headline so I ran forward grabbed the mike and getting some inspiration from God knows where yelled "Calypso collapso, another wicket down for England against the West Indies ....."... it was possibly one of my finest moments ... the news editor, John Ryley just looked at me and said, "alright, well done .... now f*** off....". It was often the case that you'd have just laid down the last shot and be waiting for a tape to eject so you could take it down to the play-out machines and they'd be reading your cue in air at the time with the gallery screaming "is it going to make, is it going to make!!!" and you'd be screaming ON ITS WAY!!!!!! you'd jam it in, play it out and then you'd be off to recut for the next bulletin.

Back when I started it was even more old school - when I started in radio you had to splice tape together physically - so you'd record interviews on a portable tape machine (big old reel to reel called a Uher) and if you wanted to shorten an answer you'd take a razor blade, mark the end of the first bit and the start of the second bit with one of these white pencils then cut the tape and join the two ends together with some splicing tape ... used to take hours then you'd play that onto a third machine while adding sound effects or music from a second player.
 
Caveman Ninja

Caveman Ninja

Fucjin g wot karate
HBB said:
Haha we didn't - this was old school we had VT editors - everything was on Beta tape. The BBC was late to the 24 hour news party but they could at least bring new tech to bear, Sky had been running for several years but was based on all the old tried and tested tech. They did try to poach me - but the second question in the interview was was I prepared to take a pay-cut. I said if that was a serious question then I think we're done here... always regretted that...

Alongside the Sky newsroom (and yes Drop the Dead Donkey was every accurate) there were 5 edit suites manned by an editor, and you had to tell the edit manager you needed a suite and how important your piece was and they'd get you in the next available suite with an editor. Inside you'd sit with the editor and lay your voice on the tape and they'd cut the pictures over the top, so you had to make sure you'd had all incidents time coded so you put the right tape in and where it was on the tape, I used to like to do pictures first then do my voice on top other did it the other way round. You had three large VT players/recorders so you'd copy from source one and two onto tape three which was the tape you used for play-out. When a football match was on we'd have the feed pumped to one of three recorders we had by the side of the news desk and whenever a goal was scored you'd take the tape out, replace it and run it down to the play-out machines by the side of the gallery - rewind it 20 secs tell the presenter the details in their earpiece from the gallery so they could talk about it and just make sure they stopped taking the pictures before you ran out of tape. On a Saturday we'd have all three machines running at the same time as we'd be taking live football as well as any other big sporting events as well, like the National or whatever was on.

It was seat of your pants stuff, they expected everything to be right and done now - if a wicket fell it should be on air within 30 secs.... I once had the news producer run in to the news room and scream at me that they wanted the wicket that had just fallen as the third headline VT at the top of the hour (it was 11:59) so when the presenter says "Coming up in Sky news ... John Major eats live Hamster... The Pope confirms they're actually a woman and in sport .........." they wanted the the wicket, I literally had to grab the tape run it down and get it lined up and then he turned and said "......... and!!!!!) - they had no words for the images and had just read the second headline so I ran forward grabbed the mike and getting some inspiration from God knows where yelled "Calypso collapso, another wicket down for England against the West Indies ....."... it was possibly one of my finest moments ... the news editor, John Ryley just looked at me and said, "alright, well done .... now f*** off....". It was often the case that you'd have just laid down the last shot and be waiting for a tape to eject so you could take it down to the play-out machines and they'd be reading your cue in air at the time with the gallery screaming "is it going to make, is it going to make!!!" and you'd be screaming ON ITS WAY!!!!!! you'd jam it in, play it out and then you'd be off to recut for the next bulletin.

Back when I started it was even more old school - when I started in radio you had to splice tape together physically - so you'd record interviews on a portable tape machine (big old reel to reel called a Uher) and if you wanted to shorten an answer you'd take a razor blade, mark the end of the first bit and the start of the second bit with one of these white pencils then cut the tape and join the two ends together with some splicing tape ... used to take hours then you'd play that onto a third machine while adding sound effects or music from a second player.
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This is all fascinating stuff!
 
M

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Slight tweak of formation when he joins?


Henderson
Worrall Niakhate McKenna
Williams Freuler Mangala Richards
Johnson Dennis
Awoniyi
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Lingard could come in for either of the #10s, and either of the #10s could play up top by themselves?

Potential to play in a 4231 as well:


Henderson
Williams Worrall McKenna Richards
Freuler Mangala
Johnson Lingard Dennis
Awoniyi​
 
HBB

HBB

Jack Burkitt
Bonalair said:
Also purely out of curiosity HBB, what qualifications and other work did you do before that to lead you there? Always interested in the choices people make and where it takes them.
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Ok so I was working as a civil servant and playing volleyball for Radio Trent Rockets, I was 22 and had finished a History degree at Manchester Uni - I'd always wanted to work in TV but as a lad from a council estate in Bulwell, first in the family to get to Uni the odds were still against me but I thought f*** it - using the Volleyball as an excuse I blagged a meeting with a BBC sport reporter Charlotte Smith and admitted the volleyball was a red herring and asked if I could do some work experience, she let me shadow her for a few days and then I was introduced to the producer of the mid morning show on Radio Nottm who was planning a series of programme from villages around the county, he needed some fact packs putting together and I did that for free for a few months, this also led to me meeting Colin Fray and Martin Fisher so I came in and did some work experience over the weekends... I used all this bolster my applications to journalism courses - Falmouth was then the big one but I was more taken with a new post-grad being run by Leeds Uni which was the first to focus on TV and Radio specifically - I applied and got on it. At the end I was lucky enough to get one of the plum work experience postings to BBC South in Southampton, at the end of the placement they asked me to work that weekend so I never went back to Uni, come to think of it never got my diploma!!

I came back to Nottm for a while (read the weekend news when Dennis McCarthy was still around) then went back to Southampton, freelanced for BBC, Meridian, Channel 4 and finally ended up at Sky News.
 
REDDERS78

REDDERS78

Grenville Morris
Bob Fossil said:
Triple unveiling before the game tomorrow? Get the crowd well & truly rocking?

You know it makes sense.
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This would be very nice.

I see no reason why an annoucement of a signing would somehow leave the team or Steve Cooper unable to focus myself.
 
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