Dr. Evangelos Marinakis and Pie Cannons (sponsored by Carlos)

[MaxiRobriguez]

Well you have the luxury of a scenario which doesn't exist... don't you.

Again, not wishing to sound curt, but if the debate is about whether a side that got us to 7th last year but faltered towards the end of the season would have been better than an overhauled side that had £200m spent on it and got relegated, then I'm happy to be on the side of the scenario which doesn't exist.

I just don't think Forest could have made it any worse if they were actively trying to do just that, than what has transpired over these last six months. Trying to sugarcoat it and pretend we have just been a bit unlucky doesn't sit right with me. We have to learn from this season regardless of what league we're in next year.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

The problem is mate that many of the players will also want away. The club holds the contracts but player power holds the real cards.

There's no doubt there will be offers for both fullbacks, Sangare will be wanted, Jesus would probably get offers in Europe, Sels would be a decent acquisition for most clubs and so would Dominguez.

Players won't want a 50% pay cut and Championship football with a potential to fall off the radar when they can ultimately play top tier football.

And it's not like they haven't got a good excuse to want to leave either.

Very few people are going to argue with any of them saying "I can't play for a club which is so farcical. It has four managers in a season. I don't know where I or my career stands." It gives them a very good out.

Again, not wishing to sound curt,

 

[thereds66]

Again, not wishing to sound curt, but if the debate is about whether a side that got us to 7th last year but faltered towards the end of the season would have been better than an overhauled side that had £200m spent on it and got relegated, then I'm happy to be on the side of the scenario which doesn't exist.

I just don't think Forest could have made it any worse if they were actively trying to do just that, than what has transpired over these last six months. Trying to sugarcoat it and pretend we have just been a bit unlucky doesn't sit right with me. We have to learn from this season regardless of what league we're in next year.

The funny thing is, you talk about a side getting us to 7th being better, but of the players with the most minutes for Forest this season and last season, 8 out of the 11 are exactly the same players. So that kind of points to the team needing a big change doesn't it? Obviously the constant manager change doesn't help.

So going back to my original point, the way this season has gone, has actively shown that we needed a big change, because those same players haven't reached the levels they did last season. And Marinakis biggest flaw was trusting Edu with that job.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The funny thing is, you talk about a side getting us to 7th being better, but of the players with the most minutes for Forest this season and last season, 8 out of the 11 are exactly the same players. So that kind of points to the team needing a big change doesn't it? Obviously the constant manager change doesn't help.

We're playing in a completely different way than last season. No more low block/fast transition which is what we were good at.

Elanga and Wood have been huge losses.

 

[StanleyVictorCollywobbles]

Nobody is denying the sales of Anderson, Murillo and MGW (maybe, although very unlikely, only 2 of the 3) but i think any talk of us being left with Big T, Yatesy and Omar Richards in an empty dressing room are way way way off the mark because the sales of Anderson and lets say Murillo will clear 130mil+ on its own (swap Murilo for MGW). I'm basically rounding Andersons sale to 80-100million regardless of division btw.

I know I’m a broken record on this but there’s little chance we get more than 60m for Ando if we get relegated and Murillo is probably 30-40. once relegated players values will drop significantly and we won’t be looking at the kinds of prices we would get if comfortably in the pl

 

[YouReds43]

I know I’m a broken record on this but there’s little chance we get more than 60m for Ando if we get relegated and Murillo is probably 30-40. once relegated players values will drop significantly and we won’t be looking at the kinds of prices we would get if comfortably in the pl

£60m for Anderson
£45m for MGW
£40m for Murillo.

 

[Gaz1980]

IMO, and with how long they have left on their contracts -

£70m for Anderson
£60m for MGW
£50m for Murillo

The question is, would £180m cover our loss in tv revenue and the contracts of the rest of the players?

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The question is, would £180m cover our loss in tv revenue and the contracts of the rest of the players?

For a season, yes. It would also allow a little bit of activity on incoming players as well.

We'd need to get promoted immediately though. If we didn't then we'd be selling off the next round of assets like Williams, Sangare, Dominguez etc - and we'd need to get £100m+ from them combined also.

 

[Gaz1980]

Thanks. That's what i thought the answer might have been tbh.

I think some of our "medium hitters" might gamble on a season with us though due to age and possibly loyalty (dare i say) - players like Sels, Milenkovic, Williams, Aina and Wood.

 

[isaacs]

I know I’m a broken record on this but there’s little chance we get more than 60m for Ando if we get relegated and Murillo is probably 30-40. once relegated players values will drop significantly and we won’t be looking at the kinds of prices we would get if comfortably in the pl

No way the Big Man accepts less than 80mil for Anderson on the back of being a starting midfielder for England in a World Cup (no matter if successful or not). He is a big clubs wet dream and a club like United would build a team for the future around him, City are very confident of having the funds and wages to nab him from United.

Under contract, Englands number 6 with stats for this that and the other through the charts, the fact that he's with a relegated club will matter as little as it did when Roy Keane was relegated and went for a British record fee, albeit one that was an actual relegation release clause. Anderson has no release clause nor does any other of our "big" players according to Percy.

James Maddison went for 40mil from Leicester after relegation because he had a year remaining on his contract. Anderson/MGW/Murillo are all under contract and have a ferocious negotiator managing the bids. He's not going to just accept first offers of 60 for Anderson and 45 for Murillo or MGW.

Of course all of this is just my opinion, but i would be shocked if the Big Man didn't maximise every penny out of City and United for Anderson especially.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Anderson has no release clause nor does any other of our "big" players according to Percy.

I imagine Marinakis has "leaked" this deliberately to Percy despite it likely being bollocks, in order to prevent the MGW thing from last summer happening again.

 

[Bing Crosby's Head]

I imagine Marinakis has "leaked" this deliberately to Percy despite it likely being bollocks, in order to prevent the MGW thing from last summer happening again.

It was leaked before the start of the season when a repeat of the MGW situation happening again was far less likely. Even if any players do actually have them they likely won't be met if we go down and said players will go for less anyway.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

If we do go down, whose agent will be the first to go public with the claim they're '...being held hostage' by the club? My money's on Murillo.

 

[Haych]

If we went down I reckon we’d keep more of the team than people would think and then hopefully bounce straight back up.

You’d like to think we have people at the club making sure we can two plans, one for relegation and one if we stay up. This is Forest though so we probably haven’t put any thought into transfer targets for the Championship and we will end up finishing 14th and going through 5 managers.

Can we please win next Sunday and give me some hope of staying up cause every time I think about having to watch Championship football it depresses me.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

If we went down I reckon we’d keep more of the team than people would think and then hopefully bounce straight back up.

You’d like to think we have people at the club making sure we can two plans, one for relegation and one if we stay up. This is Forest though so we probably haven’t put any thought into transfer targets for the Championship and we will end up finishing 14th and going through 5 managers.

Can we please win next Sunday and give me some hope of staying up cause every time I think about having to watch Championship football it depresses me.

The one thing that I've come to accept about Marinakis and people who are running Forest, is that they usually only plan for the best case scenario.

When we decided to make a stylistic U-turn and spunk £200 million on players in the summer, it was only ever going to improve us, because why wouldn't it? - That's the kind of mindset that they have.

And I'll genuinely be surprised if anyone at the club actually thinks there's any real chance of us going down. It's quite simple. VP goes on a great run and keeps us up, or if he doesn't, we sack him and somebody else does lol. That seems to be about as far forward the club thinks at the minute.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Nobody is denying the sales of Anderson, Murillo and MGW (maybe, although very unlikely, only 2 of the 3) but i think any talk of us being left with Big T, Yatesy and Omar Richards in an empty dressing room are way way way off the mark because the sales of Anderson and lets say Murillo will clear 130mil+ on its own (swap Murilo for MGW). I'm basically rounding Andersons sale to 80-100million regardless of division btw.

Good arguments, until we are relegated and the offers for our players are recalbrated downwards because we HAVE to sell, rather than want to sell.
And players like Sels (reported to be a Nuno target for West ham), Williams (a target for any number of Premier League clubs), Aina (same as Williams, but Man city were interested last summer), Milenkovic (Man Utd admire him), Murillo (Chelsea, Liverpool, and various top European clubs interested), Sangare (Man U and Man City interested), Anderson (deal with Man city reported as already agreed), MGW (numerous Premier League clubs sniffing) will all be demanding release from their contracts if we are relegated. forest will probably want rid of Hudson-Odoi, Awoniyi, MacAtee, Bakwa. Gunn and Ortega contracts expire at end of the season.
Major rebuilding will be needed.
Cooper will be the only manager who would be happy to take that job on!

 

[GregorRobertson]

Good arguments, until we are relegated and the offers for our players are recalbrated downwards because we HAVE to sell, rather than want to sell.

That will be offset somewhat if multiple clubs are interested in the same player(s)

 

[trent end loyal]

Blimey captain,Forest will have to do an NFL and English Ice Hockey League draft type show if all that lot depart!

 

[Gaz1980]

Good arguments, until we are relegated and the offers for our players are recalbrated downwards because we HAVE to sell, rather than want to sell.
And players like Sels (reported to be a Nuno target for West ham), Williams (a target for any number of Premier League clubs), Aina (same as Williams, but Man city were interested last summer), Milenkovic (Man Utd admire him), Murillo (Chelsea, Liverpool, and various top European clubs interested), Sangare (Man U and Man City interested), Anderson (deal with Man city reported as already agreed), MGW (numerous Premier League clubs sniffing) will all be demanding release from their contracts if we are relegated. forest will probably want rid of Hudson-Odoi, Awoniyi, MacAtee, Bakwa. Gunn and Ortega contracts expire at end of the season.
Major rebuilding will be needed.
Cooper will be the only manager who would be happy to take that job on!

As much as i love the man - i can't see Cooper wanting the re-build under EM.

 

[Otis Redding]

As much as i love the man - i can't see Cooper wanting the re-build under EM.

I'm not necessarily saying it should be Steve, but I could definitely see it. They had a good relationship despite Cooper being sacked (EM was hugely supportive during the period when his dad, Keith, was seriously ill for instance).

EM also knows the galvanising effect re-employing Steve would have in terms of (at least partly) appeasing the fanbase in the aftermath of relegation.

 

[derbyshirered]

If we go down Mr M will have to take action regarding player sales.
He will have to sell our prize assets to be able to comply with FFP limits, and to rebuild the team.

I’d sell the whole lot and invest in youngsters that will possibly have a big sale on value

 

[Bing Crosby's Head]

I’d sell the whole lot and invest in youngsters that will possibly have a big sale on value

That was partly the plan in the Summer that has proved so successful thus far.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

No one will be allowed to leave if there is any leeway re PSR or whatever it's called in the championship. If Kalimuendo is also our player, between him, Wood and Tiawo we should storm the league.

 

[StanleyVictorCollywobbles]

IMO, and with how long they have left on their contracts -

£70m for Anderson
£60m for MGW
£50m for Murillo

The question is, would £180m cover our loss in tv revenue and the contracts of the rest of the players?

that would be the first, second and fourth record champ sales of all time.

No way the Big Man accepts less than 80mil for Anderson on the back of being a starting midfielder for England in a World Cup (no matter if successful or not). He is a big clubs wet dream and a club like United would build a team for the future around him, City are very confident of having the funds and wages to nab him from United.

Under contract, Englands number 6 with stats for this that and the other through the charts, the fact that he's with a relegated club will matter as little as it did when Roy Keane was relegated and went for a British record fee, albeit one that was an actual relegation release clause. Anderson has no release clause nor does any other of our "big" players according to Percy.

James Maddison went for 40mil from Leicester after relegation because he had a year remaining on his contract. Anderson/MGW/Murillo are all under contract and have a ferocious negotiator managing the bids. He's not going to just accept first offers of 60 for Anderson and 45 for Murillo or MGW.

Of course all of this is just my opinion, but i would be shocked if the Big Man didn't maximise every penny out of City and United for Anderson especially.

One player has been sold for over 40m from the champ. I hope we don’t have to find out if I’m right and if we do I hope I’m wrong but I think once we are down players are pushing to get out and teams know they hold the cards we are getting much, much less than we would hope. I’d genuinely think 60 tops for ando, 50 tops for MGW and 30-40 Murillo. No one else breaks past 20-25. I’m als sceptical that we have strong relegation chances wage clauses which will make it even more necessary to sell

I'm not necessarily saying it should be Steve, but I could definitely see it. They had a good relationship despite Cooper being sacked (EM was hugely supportive during the period when his dad, Keith, was seriously ill for instance).

EM also knows the galvanising effect re-employing Steve would have in terms of (at least partly) appeasing the fanbase in the aftermath of relegation.

Cooper coming back would be dreadful imo he’s so unlikely to catch that same lightning in a bottle as before and watching that go sour would be horrific.

 

[DizzyBala]

Contracts Ending 2027

• Sels, Awoniyi, Wood

Contracts Ending 2028

• Aina, Sangare, Hudson-Odoi, Yates, Gibbs-White, Dominguez

Contracts Ending 2029

• Milenkovic, Jesus, Williams, Anderson, Murillo, Ndoye, Netz, Bakwa, McAtee, Savona, Hutchinson, Cunha

The point I'm trying to make with that, Forest have will have to make a big sale to satisfy FFP and that'll almost certainly be Anderson. Once FFP regulations have been met, teams getting relegated often sell partly because their players want to leave and partly to cover the shortfall of money you lose when you get out of the Premierleague.

It's pure speculation but the outlier here is Marinakis. Gibbs-White was a foregone conclusion to Spurs last year and EM put a stop to that and brought him back into the fold and extended his contract. Pretty much every significant player has signed a new deal.

Marinakis could, if he believes it would be the best way to get back into the Premierleague, sell one more big player and then sell some of the squad players to cover the shortfall (remember we'd get parachute payments) and then just say f*** it, the rest of you are staying.

I really don't foresee the same sort of fire sale that a lot of teams have when they go down, because it's Marinakis.