Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I have said before but I don't think they are very interested at all
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Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
They have made some signings already, and do seem to be doing their business early, so you would think they'd have a bid in already really if they are keen.
I'd still be surprised if we end up signing Spence, but the longer he remains at Middlesbrough the greater I'd rate our chances. Especially once pre-season starts and he has to report for training. He'll want out and agitate for the move.
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sammy the snake
Jack Armstrong
Yes, premsume they have other targets and the feel he's going nowhere for now so they're playing a waiting game?
I'm convinced Forest have bid. Don't forget Forest and Boro have a close relationship, enough for both club and agent to stfu for now. Boro are right to drive the value up...but there's a cut off time approaching...then on Forest will make it clear, no bid. Spences value will only depreciate when training restarts.
Alvar Hanso
Jack Burkitt
Sky reporting that Spurs value him at £10m, but Middlesbrough want £15m plus add ons
Master Yates
John Robertson
To be honest if we could nip in at around 12m plus addons, I would absolutely do it. Maybe Spurs are just waiting for us to do their negotiating for them, then they can come in and match the bid.
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DanR
Steve Chettle
Spurs do have a history of bidding low and waiting until the end of the market to make signings. Our issue is that we can't afford to wait 5 games into the season to strengthen the side.
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
If the lad wants to go to Spurs its pointless. Don't want an unhappy player. What I don't understand is now 'Boro seem to be valuing him at 15 and Spurs 10. Thats a long way from the 25 that was being bandied around before. And if, indeed he goes for somewhere in-between, say 12-13 then surely the 15 we are being quoted for the Liverpool lad is grand larceny....
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Master Yates
John Robertson
Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
I understand Spurs being all coy, because Levy hates the idea of paying a single penny over the odds for anyone (but expecting triple value on all players they sell), but I don't think we should be. We want him, let the lad know we value him. Bid £13-15m (no more, that's what we can afford), see what Boro do and what Spurs do. Spurs can gazump us any time so why not force their hand. If they do we can move to other targets. If not then Spence has a choice whether to come to us or hold out waiting for a bigger club and risk playing for Boro until January.
Levy is a miser who makes Ebenzeer Scrooge look like a drunken sailor on shore leave when it comes to spending money.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Not a bad thing. They are a well run club and don't generally waste money on bad players.
Also a fair amount aren't established names but they improve them - I know he's been there a few years now, but Son is probably one of the best players in the PL now, but probably wouldn't have been without them improving him into it.
I'm sure Levy like anyone else will want to know if he's putting 20m out on a 21 year old lad who has had 3/4 of a decent season in the level below, that he's paying the right price for him, and that more importantly the player will make the step up either now or in a few years.
Eddie Yates
Steve Chettle
They don't win trophies though
Last time Spurs won the league Nelson Mandela was still in Borstal
Master Yates
John Robertson
I agree with this. Spurs can afford to wait, I don’t think we can. Slap a competitive bid in and give them a deadline. Offer terms and give Djed a deadline. If it doesn’t get done, leave it and move on.
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Djed is a bit like "flavour of the month" or "fashion item of the moment".
He had a wonderful season with us, and agents/media/Boro have enthused about him and hiked the hoped-for selling price well beyond his real worth.
They forget, it was a troubled player who came to us last season, one who was being shown the door by Colin.
Forest took the loan option rather than pay £3m-£4m for a player who had shown early promise, but had seemingly gone off the rails a bit in the North East.
He came to Forest, looked every inch a player who could make things happen, and improved from being a speedster going forward, but a bit weak as a defender, into an all-round contributo both at the back and going forward.
However, to talk his price up to £20m on the basis of 1 outstanding season is really "over-reach".
The price should be nearer £10m (in today's over-hyped market), as he will have to prove at a whole new level that 2021-22 season wasn't just a flash in the pan.
He had a wonderful season with us, and agents/media/Boro have enthused about him and hiked the hoped-for selling price well beyond his real worth.
They forget, it was a troubled player who came to us last season, one who was being shown the door by Colin.
Forest took the loan option rather than pay £3m-£4m for a player who had shown early promise, but had seemingly gone off the rails a bit in the North East.
He came to Forest, looked every inch a player who could make things happen, and improved from being a speedster going forward, but a bit weak as a defender, into an all-round contributo both at the back and going forward.
However, to talk his price up to £20m on the basis of 1 outstanding season is really "over-reach".
The price should be nearer £10m (in today's over-hyped market), as he will have to prove at a whole new level that 2021-22 season wasn't just a flash in the pan.
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
I think the issue is that Spurs have well and truly turned Djeds head, understandable as he's a London boy but it sounds like Levy is handling the negotiations. In his mind they have 2 international standard right backs so don't need a new one as priority.
Boro will essentially be reliant on the money from the transfer to meet their ffp challenges and sign players so will want as much as they can get as quickly as possible rather than doing what we did with Olli Burke and having the cash at the point that they can't really use it well.
Levy will try to leave it as late as possible and for as low as possible, he might even try a loan with agreed future transfer or severely staged payments with performance add ins.
If we move on because we feel its a done deal and sign a RB or 2 it helps Spurs more as they have no competition either so can push the price down. I can see it going late and failing where Boro and Djed are stuck with each other until January.
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Boro will essentially be reliant on the money from the transfer to meet their ffp challenges and sign players so will want as much as they can get as quickly as possible rather than doing what we did with Olli Burke and having the cash at the point that they can't really use it well.
Levy will try to leave it as late as possible and for as low as possible, he might even try a loan with agreed future transfer or severely staged payments with performance add ins.
If we move on because we feel its a done deal and sign a RB or 2 it helps Spurs more as they have no competition either so can push the price down. I can see it going late and failing where Boro and Djed are stuck with each other until January.
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Morpeth
John Robertson
Boro are toothless and searching for a striker. I'm pretty sure that Spence will be resolved sooner rather than later.
karteo
Jack Armstrong
I find it extremely difficult to believe that you will bid more than 10-12M for a young right back prospect that is not proven in PL and can play only in a formation with 3 CBs in that level without being exposed by the PL's left wingers or attackers. Even with Spence you need a true and solid defender there because you will have to be able to hold on their offences
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Harrison
Jack Armstrong
Boro are gonna make themselves look silly soon, surely they need the sale to strengthen their squad. They’re gonna scare all suitors off with that price tag and end up with nothing.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
Get in there Dane. Offer them £5m and Harry arter take it or leave it
Any Time Now
Grenville Morris
Boro must have known what they were getting themselves into, Spurs are notoriously awkward to negotiate with. I'll be surprised if they pay £15m for him and if they do I imagine it will be stacked with add ons which won't suit Boro who need cash to spend this window
DapperDan
Steve Chettle
Second choice is still a choice
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I have never felt that Spurs actually want him that much, if they did he would be there already. I think he could very much end up here still even if we get Williams.
As with all the loan players, the clubs are trying to get the best deal they can. It will be a case of waiting if we want that.
If you buy a player before pre-season starts the chances are you are paying more than you should. You get the best value just before the start of the season however much people moan.
As with all the loan players, the clubs are trying to get the best deal they can. It will be a case of waiting if we want that.
If you buy a player before pre-season starts the chances are you are paying more than you should. You get the best value just before the start of the season however much people moan.
karteo
Jack Armstrong
I don't think that Tottenham even made a bid for more than 10. They bought Emerson last year for 25m euros and they also have Dogherty as a back up who is an international player bought two seasons ago for around 17M euros. Unless they sell someone, probably Dogherty, it doesn't make any sense to splash that amount of cash.
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Any Time Now
Grenville Morris
Another thing worth noting is that nobody actually knows what stance Djed has in this situation. People are just assuming he wants the move to Spurs but there's nothing to back that other than one or two journalists saying he 'prefers the move' (the same journalists also said a deal was close, it clearly wasn't)
Does Djed want to go to Spurs or do Boro want Djed to go to Spurs because they think they can get a bigger fee? For all we know the player might be more interested in a
move back here
Something clearly doesn't add up
Does Djed want to go to Spurs or do Boro want Djed to go to Spurs because they think they can get a bigger fee? For all we know the player might be more interested in a
move back here
Something clearly doesn't add up
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
I wonder if we're waiting in the wings to swoop in if it falls apart with Spurs, or if we've written him off and are bringing someone else in.
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