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Dean Bradley Henderson

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
It's where we are... the aim is to be the club loaning the players out not being the one that brings them in, but rome was not built in a day..... but I guess Steve Cooper weren't on that job


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He is right as now we have no Lowe, Zinckernagel, Davis, Spence or Garner and mostly they were key to the position we are in.

But, we have done exceptionally well that all our loans have been good for the position we are in, and not wasted on shit like Akpom or Ebecilio or lumbered with expensive shitty loan to perm deals like when we ended up with Danny Fox.

As it stands, I've said before Lowe isn't good enough for where we are now, Spence and Garner I'd sign because they will be good PL players, and PZ /Davis would be good squad depth, if we had signed these outright, would we be looking to loan them or sell them? it works both ways doesn't it?

Now I'm not the greatest fan of loaning in Henderson. If we want him we should buy him. He's probably on a par with Samba if not slightly better, has a full season at this level with Sheff Utd, and if Samba wants to leave we should probably do the right thing there. But, if we keep Samba, we should be playing our player over someone else's, and if loaning Henderson takes up a loan slot, we shouldn't loan a reserve keeper. And if we make him first choice he won't be able to play in the 2 games vs Man U meaning we'd need someone decent as 2nd choice anyway.
 

Danga

Formerly JLingz
Yeah because the straight loans last season didn't help us, you know, get back into the Premier League after 23 years or anything

They have their part to play

Last season is completely irrelevant mate. Where we were as a club is a different planet to where we are now.

If we bring in Henderson on a straight loan it is really short term thinking which next summer would likely see us worse than back to square one because Samba and Horvath will likely have left, and if Henderson is a success like the rest of the players Cooper has got his mitts on, he will either stay and United or he will be sold on to someone for a much larger fee.

Not ignorant to the fact loans do have their place, but a 25 year old ‘keeper to either prep him for United next season or sell him to the highest bidder doesn’t really appeal to me.

But I trust Cooper and Dane to make the right decisions for us now and in the future.
 

Calvin Plummer

Viv Anderson
Last season is completely irrelevant mate. Where we were as a club is a different planet to where we are now.

If we bring in Henderson on a straight loan it is really short term thinking which next summer would likely see us worse than back to square one because Samba and Horvath will likely have left, and if Henderson is a success like the rest of the players Cooper has got his mitts on, he will either stay and United or he will be sold on to someone for a much larger fee.

Not ignorant to the fact loans do have their place, but a 25 year old ‘keeper to either prep him for United next season or sell him to the highest bidder doesn’t really appeal to me.

But I trust Cooper and Dane to make the right decisions for us now and in the future.

You do know we can decide to buy him if we want?
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
I think people need to reassess their objection to the loans. Last season those loanees helped us to get into the premier league for the first time in over two decades.

This season we are forced to reduce our loan which means there will be a 60% reduction anyway. We should absolutely take any straight up loan deal we are offered if that player is a big upgrade on what we currently have/require.

It doesn't matter one bit if we are in the same position next season in needing a new GK if we have stayed up. We will have more money in the bank and be even more of an attractive proposition.

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Danga

Formerly JLingz
So the reward for re-establishing him in the Prem and increasing his value is giving United a much bigger fee than what they would get now? Wonderful.
 

Haych

John Robertson
The reward is hopefully staying in the league.

Henderson is better than Samba and will make us stronger.

I couldn’t give a solitary shit if Henderson playing well and helping us stay up earns Manchester United a few more quid next season.

We’re the worst team in the league, if we get too sentimental we will remain the worst team in the league and be back pissing about in the lower leagues again.
 

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
Last season is completely irrelevant mate. Where we were as a club is a different planet to where we are now.

If we bring in Henderson on a straight loan it is really short term thinking which next summer would likely see us worse than back to square one because Samba and Horvath will likely have left, and if Henderson is a success like the rest of the players Cooper has got his mitts on, he will either stay and United or he will be sold on to someone for a much larger fee.

Not ignorant to the fact loans do have their place, but a 25 year old ‘keeper to either prep him for United next season or sell him to the highest bidder doesn’t really appeal to me.

But I trust Cooper and Dane to make the right decisions for us now and in the future.
I think you've missed my point to be honest

So you think under no circumstances should we take on any "straight loanees"?

With the greatest of respect that's f***ing stupid
 
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Notcher

Stuart Pearce
So the reward for re-establishing him in the Prem and increasing his value is giving United a much bigger fee than what they would get now? Wonderful.
No because someone has got to be willing to pay the fee (Newcastle walked away from £40M earlier) and we don't have to buy Henderson.

None of it matters if he helps keep us up and who cares if Man Utd make more money out of it, we certainly won't be losing anything in that scenario.

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Danga

Formerly JLingz
The reward is hopefully staying in the league.

Henderson is better than Samba and will make us stronger.

I couldn’t give a solitary shit if Henderson playing well and helping us stay up earns Manchester United a few more quid next season.

We’re the worst team in the league, if we get too sentimental we will remain the worst team in the league and be back pissing about in the lower leagues again.

I’m sure Sheff United fans said the exact same thing.
 

Haych

John Robertson
I’m sure Sheff United fans said the exact same thing.
They got relegated in their second season due to absolutely dog shit recruitment, not losing Henderson. In fact, the bloke they replaced him with was probably the best player they signed.

If we sign David McGoldrick next summer in an attempt to stay up then you may have a point.
 

Danga

Formerly JLingz
No because someone has got to be willing to pay the fee (Newcastle walked away from £40M earlier) and we don't have to buy Henderson.

None of it matters if he helps keep us up and who cares if Man Utd make more money out of it, we certainly won't be losing anything in that scenario.

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Under Cooper, pretty every loan player we have had has increased their value, so £40m for Henderson after a year with us isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

Like I have just said, I am sure Sheff United fans said exactly the same thing ‘as long as we stay up, worry about the long term next summer’. Well that soon came back to bite them on the arse.

I have no doubt in Henderson’s ability as a player. Even as a Samba fan, I think he is an upgrade. But what I’d personally like to see as a fan is Forest build a squad not just for next season, but for the next two or three. We have an opportunity to do that with the manager we have, an owner who is prepared to spend and the financial rewards that come with Premier League football.
 

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
Last season is completely irrelevant mate. Where we were as a club is a different planet to where we are now.

If we bring in Henderson on a straight loan it is really short term thinking which next summer would likely see us worse than back to square one because Samba and Horvath will likely have left, and if Henderson is a success like the rest of the players Cooper has got his mitts on, he will either stay and United or he will be sold on to someone for a much larger fee.

Not ignorant to the fact loans do have their place, but a 25 year old ‘keeper to either prep him for United next season or sell him to the highest bidder doesn’t really appeal to me.

But I trust Cooper and Dane to make the right decisions for us now and in the future.
Not being funny but your username and avatar are literally taken from a "straight loanee"
 

Danga

Formerly JLingz
And now don’t we wish we had an agreement to sign him in place so we aren’t losing a key member of the squad who we have significantly increased the value of?

But the point is, comparing what we did as a lower mid table championship team to what we are now which is a newly promoted Premier League team is chalk and cheese.
 

Larry Lansbury

Viv Anderson
Under Cooper, pretty every loan player we have had has increased their value, so £40m for Henderson after a year with us isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

Like I have just said, I am sure Sheff United fans said exactly the same thing ‘as long as we stay up, worry about the long term next summer’. Well that soon came back to bite them on the arse.

I have no doubt in Henderson’s ability as a player. Even as a Samba fan, I think he is an upgrade. But what I’d personally like to see as a fan is Forest build a squad not just for next season, but for the next two or three. We have an opportunity to do that with the manager we have, an owner who is prepared to spend and the financial rewards that come with Premier League football.
 

Harvey

Chrissy Cohen
And now don’t we wish we had an agreement to sign him in place so we aren’t losing a key member of the squad who we have significantly increased the value of?

But the point is, comparing what we did as a lower mid table championship team to what we are now which is a newly promoted Premier League team is chalk and cheese.
"We shouldn't loan anyone" is a very strange hill to die on mate
 

Larry Lansbury

Viv Anderson
Yes ideally we would build a squad for the next 2-3 years but this all takes time and it’s a ever evolving process. We aren’t going to be able to get everything perfectly in place immediately or in this window as we only have a matter of weeks, it just doesn’t work like like and we mit have to go down to our 2/3 signing option. We have more money but now in a big big expensive pond-we going to have to be imaginative with some signings such as loans, frees, cheaper European signings but go bigger on main targets.
 

Listen 'ere young man

Jack Armstrong
The Samba situation is one which came out of the blue so Forest are having to deal with it as best as they can. They are trying to get as good a keeper as they can with an option to buy (so as to prevent a Djed Spence scenario in 1 year's time), However if Man U are unwilling to play ball with an option to buy, there isn't a lot you can do other than look for another keeper on a permanent (costing big money needed for other positions). We might have to accept a loan on this one and defer buying a keeper till next year if relegation can be avoided, gaining another 90m + 3rd year of 40m in parachute payments. Having a very good keeper (even on loan) and bolstering the attacking options with permanent players seems to be the compromise Forest are having to make.
 

gamble

Stuart Pearce
We've gone from being a "big fish in a small pond" with a decent amount of pull to potential players, to being a small fish in an ocean.

We have literally no pull any more to make players decide to come to us right now, we have to be smart we need loans from the bigger boys to keep/make us competitive so we can grow and become a decent sized fish in the ocean of premier League money.
 

Danga

Formerly JLingz
Yes Calv, that is exactly it…

Henderson will be a great signing whether he comes on loan or permanent. I’d just prefer for Forest to build for the longer term. Loans have their place, but I’d rather avoid yearly rebuilding jobs in key positions, as we are seeing this summer after losing our two most creative midfielders, influential right wing back and starting centre forward.

I trust Cooper and Dane to make the right calls this summer either way.

Going to leave it at that as I can’t be arsed going around the houses.
 
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