Dan Assane Ndoye

Red Echo

Red Echo

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I don't know why Callum has been usurped as the automatic starter at LW, barring injury. He's only started 5 Prem games this season.

Granted, he's been a starter in the Europa, but I feel the Hudson-Odoi/Ndoye dynamic should be the other way around.

Hudson-Odoi in the Prem, where we know he can do the business, and Ndoye easing his way in with Europa games.

The price tag shouldn't be a factor, but it probably is.
 
Osiris

Osiris

Geoff Thomas
JonnoSnr said:
It is in my opinion.
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This was your opinion on Elanga from 5th November 2024:

JonnoSnr said:
He's been our worst performing player this season out of everyone that's played most of the matches and for that reason alone I'd have switched him for Jota a few weeks ago
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My point is I think it's too early to write Ndoye off

Yes he's been poor in recent matches but that's true of about 90% of the starting eleven

We've a bunch of new players and a new manager, neither of whom had a proper pre-season together - it will take time for everything to come together and we will be inconsistent while it does, but I'll take inconsistent over clueless and abject as was the case under Postecoglu

I've gone off on a tangent but my point is let's not throw a talented player under the bus because he's had a poor start to what has been the most turbulent start to a season
 
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Strummer

Strummer

Vorsprung durch Technik
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I personally don't even think Ndoye has had that "poor" a start - he's shown some decent touches at times, in a new country, a new league and probably at a higher standard than he has ever played before.

Posted it before, but I am confident there is a player there, he maybe just needs a bit of a stable side around him and let's see what develops. Far too early to be writing him off.
 
JonnoSnr

JonnoSnr

Grenville Morris
Osiris said:
This was your opinion on Elanga from 5th November 2024:



My point is I think it's too early to write Ndoye off

Yes he's been poor in recent matches but that's true of about 90% of the starting eleven

We've a bunch of new players and a new manager, neither of whom had a proper pre-season together - it will take time for everything to come together and we will be inconsistent while it does, but I'll take inconsistent over clueless and abject as was the case under Postecoglu

I've gone off on a tangent but my point is let's not throw a talented player under the bus because he's had a poor start to what has been the most turbulent start to a season
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Not really sure what your point is? Is it that once you've posted an opinion on a player as they're playing at that particular time you're duty-bound to stick to that view for eternity? Do we never comment on players in case they suddenly get better and make us look silly?

Maybe we should never make a judgement on a player until they leave the club as in theory they could turn it round at any point up until they've played their last game for us.

At that particular time Elanga was poor, just as Ndoye is at this particular time. One big difference between them though is at least Elanga had that pace which made him dangerous even when not playing well. Nothing to me stands out about Ndoye's game.
 
Osiris

Osiris

Geoff Thomas
JonnoSnr said:
Not really sure what your point is? Is it that once you've posted an opinion on a player as they're playing at that particular time you're duty-bound to stick to that view for eternity? Do we never comment on players in case they suddenly get better and make us look silly?

At that particular time Elanga was poor, just as Ndoye is at this particular time. One big difference between them though is at least Elanga had that pace which made him dangerous even when not playing well. Nothing to me stands out about Ndoye's game.
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My point is that it's too early to write Ndoye off as he may come good just like Elanga did

I think I made that clear enough in my post there
 
M

McKenzie

Geoff Thomas
Osiris said:
This was your opinion on Elanga from 5th November 2024:



My point is I think it's too early to write Ndoye off

Yes he's been poor in recent matches but that's true of about 90% of the starting eleven

We've a bunch of new players and a new manager, neither of whom had a proper pre-season together - it will take time for everything to come together and we will be inconsistent while it does, but I'll take inconsistent over clueless and abject as was the case under Postecoglu

I've gone off on a tangent but my point is let's not throw a talented player under the bus because he's had a poor start to what has been the most turbulent start to a season
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This is a weird take. Elanga was bad at this point last year but he came good as the way we played was literally built around his strengths. Also he had a reasonable number of appearances in the PL for Man Utd so there was some comfort there. Its not the same.

Its a bit creepy you have gone through his posts from the last 12 months too 😆
 
JonnoSnr

JonnoSnr

Grenville Morris
Osiris said:
My point is that it's too early to write Ndoye off as he may come good just like Elanga did

I think I made that clear enough in my post there
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He might do. But it hasn't happened yet, not by a long way so I can only judge what I've seen.

If he scores the winner at the weekend then I'll be absolutely delighted. To be honest with him at the moment I'd gladly take not running the ball out of play and perhaps even running at the full back once in a while although it feels like that might be asking for a bit much on current form.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
JonnoSnr said:
Not really sure what your point is? Is it that once you've posted an opinion on a player as they're playing at that particular time you're duty-bound to stick to that view for eternity? Do we never comment on players in case they suddenly get better and make us look silly?

Maybe we should never make a judgement on a player until they leave the club as in theory they could turn it round at any point up until they've played their last game for us.

At that particular time Elanga was poor, just as Ndoye is at this particular time. One big difference between them though is at least Elanga had that pace which made him dangerous even when not playing well. Nothing to me stands out about Ndoye's game.
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I think that this is slightly harsh, though not sure how far I disagree with it.

Elanga's pace being dangerous in itself isn't really the point. Diakhaby was fast but could boot a 5 yard pass over the Trent. It's also no good running 60 yards with it to give it away to a defender and then they boot it back up the pitch.

Elanga without the pace would also be way less effective than he is, and of course you can only be a bad injury or two away from that.

Ndoye isn't slow. He can beat a player, he can put a cross in, he can even get on the end of things and provide a goal threat. In his time here he has shown all of that.

I think he is a more rounded winger overall than Elanga is, who is all about pace, and whose end product can be hellishly erratic even when he is playing well.

So whatever the issue is, it seems to be more likely to me that it is either instruction, or it is confidence.
 
TrickiestTree

TrickiestTree

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I bet he's got one of those charts that says hes bottom 30% at most winger activities, but top 10% at defensive ones. Would trust him at LB more than Zinc, but CHO/Hutchinson have to start ahead of him in midfield. A very strange player but would suit that Cooper 3-4-2-1 we got promoted using!
 
PynchonForest

PynchonForest

Stuart Pearce
I am not quite ready to close the book on him. Big strong fairly rapid fella. He impressed me prior to joining us. But his application out there isn't very good, and it consistently isn't very good. HE needs to be coached better, and, imho, have his game simplified. I think if we operate with a more structured attack a guy like him will become better. Or, perhaps, could become better. It's hard to see right now, the upside.
 
Yoghurt Slice

Yoghurt Slice

Viv Anderson
I honestly think he is a good player, but doesn't fit our shape at all. He's a good instinctive finisher and very good in the air, so I'd like to see him get in the box more, and if he's playing I'd like to see the team enable that a bit more. But he's definitely 3rd choice for me, maybe 4th if Bakwa is fit.

I actually wonder if he could play full back as he seems decent defensively
 
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