Anthony Elanga

I think Bowyer,Birtles and Hodge were the best of that bunch when they returned to Forest-the others were mainly past their best.
Well yes, I broadly agree, but I was mainly questioning the idea of ‘never’ taking someone back. I would say that Des 2 was a great help to Daws 1 and that Daws 2 and Reidy 2 will have helped the young players who were coming through when they came back. But yes, few returnees had the impact that Bomber, Birtles and Harry had.
 

bearwood red

First Team Squad
I would take Brennan ahead of Elanga. I think he’s a bit more versatile as he has the pace to play out wide but also could play in the second striker role that Jesus is currently occupying. He would also help with the home grown quota should we qualify for Europe again. Their new manager may want to generate funds to bring in his own players. He’s had a tough season so may welcome getting things back on track in familiar surroundings.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I would take Brennan ahead of Elanga. I think he’s a bit more versatile as he has the pace to play out wide but also could play in the second striker role that Jesus is currently occupying. He would also help with the home grown quota should we qualify for Europe again. Their new manager may want to generate funds to bring in his own players. He’s had a tough season so may welcome getting things back on track in familiar surroundings.

Yeah I think either are good options. Price might be deciding factor if we could get Brennan at £10m less than Elanga. Maybe there's even a role for both?
 

Templeton

Viv Anderson
Amazed he did not even get on the pitch in such an end to end game late on - that sums up how they view him. I hate the bring him home bollocks but it would suit all parties if he did.
Quite simply and quite rightly they regard Harvey Barnes as a better option, Elanga is solely about the pace, Barnes has much more to his game than just that. I'd still take Elanga back fir the right price, but would Newcastle accept a big loss on him after one season?
 

Chappers85

Can't Play Left-Back
Well yes, I broadly agree, but I was mainly questioning the idea of ‘never’ taking someone back. I would say that Des 2 was a great help to Daws 1 and that Daws 2 and Reidy 2 will have helped the young players who were coming through when they came back. But yes, few returnees had the impact that Bomber, Birtles and Harry had.
I would say Reid was better in his second spell until the everlasting 2 weeks. And while Des was not what he once was - one of the best defenders in the world - no 37 year old who hadn't played for a year had any right being that good.
 

Strummer

Es gibt nur einen
LTLF Minion
I would say Reid was better in his second spell until the everlasting 2 weeks. And while Des was not what he once was - one of the best defenders in the world - no 37 year old who hadn't played for a year had any right being that good.
Ahem. One of...???

I would put it out there that at that time, there were few better centre halves in football, than Desmond Sinclair Walker.
 

Tango Man

First Team Squad
Ahem. One of...???

I would put it out there that at that time, there were few better centre halves in football, than Desmond Sinclair Walker.
He was wasted on Italian football. Let's sign a central defender renowned for his pace & ability to recover balls in behind the backline & instead of playing to his strengths with a high defensive line allowing us to attack, we'll stick to the boring 90s Italian mantra of defending deep & play him at left back on the odd occasion instead.

Italian football was such a disappointment when it came to Ch.4.
 

DizzyBala

Jack Burkitt
In his two seasons with us, he scored 11 and assisted 21 goals in 74 games. He missed two games in the Premierleague. He had lightning pace, his delivery from set-pieces was pretty good and he was well liked in the squad.

His book value this summer for Newcastle would be about £40m-£45m.
Hutchinson and Ndoye were not far off that.

I think we're absolutely a better team with him in it and I think he's a better player in our team.
Long story short, if there is something that can be done, do it EM.
 
In his two seasons with us, he scored 11 and assisted 21 goals in 74 games. He missed two games in the Premierleague. He had lightning pace, his delivery from set-pieces was pretty good and he was well liked in the squad.

His book value this summer for Newcastle would be about £40m-£45m.
Hutchinson and Ndoye were not far off that.

I think we're absolutely a better team with him in it and I think he's a better player in our team.
Long story short, if there is something that can be done, do it EM.
Book value £44M
Minus sell on £5M
Minus wages for next 4 years £21M
Offer Newcastle £20M
 

klinsi

Geoff Thomas
in my opinion Elanga was ok when we were playing against teams with higher defensive line, in matches when he could sprint behind the defense and score or pass, but only if there was no more work to be done, like dribbling past a defender on doing any other stuff that required some kind of footballing intelligence, kind of unpredictibility and much more technical ability that Anthony had. So in games when the bar was higher and you needed something else he was largery frustrating, not to mention his decision making process which was more like that of a headless chicken than of a premier league player.
So no, let's just move on and seek a player that can be used in Vitor's tactics requiring much more from a player than just better than average km/h sprints.
 

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
I really really disagree in terms of Elanga’s technical ability, that’s what made him such an effective player for us because that pace he has is rarely matched with two footed technical ability that he had. He was an excellent finisher & crosser of the ball.

I feel that assessment is a bit lazy & just paints him as a stereotypical fast winger, when it was never the case. I do agree that he was less affective when the opposition weren’t playing a high line though - but what attacking player is? No attacker is better when they play against low blocks.
 

klinsi

Geoff Thomas
I really really disagree in terms of Elanga’s technical ability, that’s what made him such an effective player for us because that pace he has is rarely matched with two footed technical ability that he had. He was an excellent finisher & crosser of the ball.

I feel that assessment is a bit lazy & just paints him as a stereotypical fast winger, when it was never the case. I do agree that he was less affective when the opposition weren’t playing a high line though - but what attacking player is? No attacker is better when they play against low blocks.
Good crosser - yes, good finisher - yes, of course, dribbler - no way and when his inability to dribble was paired with his limited footballing intelligence it wasn't looking good. I completely understand wingers struggling against low block, but Elanga for me was almost always a guarantee of losing the ball in a situation that required holding it for a little longer in place or doing some more fancy stuff with your legs when trying to go with the ball into penalty area, the ball was usually easily taken from him or he lost it himself by trying to make an impossible pass bound to fail from the start. Does he struggle in Newcastle because he suddenly became worse footballer by just switching shirts? No, but he is and probably will be an effective tool when the tactics are simple - long pass, run for it as quickly as you can, when the tactics demand more, well, Hutch is miles ahead of Elanga already even if he surely isn't a finished product yet.
 

Monkman

John Robertson
I really really disagree in terms of Elanga’s technical ability, that’s what made him such an effective player for us because that pace he has is rarely matched with two footed technical ability that he had. He was an excellent finisher & crosser of the ball.

I feel that assessment is a bit lazy & just paints him as a stereotypical fast winger, when it was never the case. I do agree that he was less affective when the opposition weren’t playing a high line though - but what attacking player is? No attacker is better when they play against low blocks.
Totally. Can't be bothered to find it but there's a video of all his goal involvements last season (and there were a lot) and plenty of them have nothing to do with fast breaks behind a high line.
 

DizzyBala

Jack Burkitt
So long as the career damage inflicted by Newcastle can be repaired
I feel like based on the two seasons with us, the thing with Elanga is that he does start the season slow but almost like with Taiwo where you have to get him really match sharp to get the best from him, you have to give Anthony a few full games to get going.

In fact I remember last season, there was a point in time after Newcastle had come in for him really late where he had no end product bar a couple assists in the first 15 games and that was after he had a pretty good season. Then he scores the winner against Villa and he's a different player in the second half of the season, a bit like Morgan this season.

In 31 games this year, he's played over 75 minutes six times in the Premierleague with two full 90 minutes in those six.

Would have him back in a heartbeat.
 

incapable hulk

Best served cold
I feel like based on the two seasons with us, the thing with Elanga is that he does start the season slow but almost like with Taiwo where you have to get him really match sharp to get the best from him, you have to give Anthony a few full games to get going.

In fact I remember last season, there was a point in time after Newcastle had come in for him really late where he had no end product bar a couple assists in the first 15 games and that was after he had a pretty good season. Then he scores the winner against Villa and he's a different player in the second half of the season, a bit like Morgan this season.

In 31 games this year, he's played over 75 minutes six times in the Premierleague with two full 90 minutes in those six.

Would have him back in a heartbeat.

I don't think he'd be as effective under VP. What makes Elanga so dangerous is his pace. Nuno set us up to sit back and then hit the opposition with a lightning fast counter attack. That is why Elanga was so devastating for us at times. We don't really play like that now though.

As Howe has found out, he's nowhere near as effective in a team already most of the way up the pitch. You can't outrun defenders if they are already back near their own box.

I'd love to see him back, but I don't think he'd fit as well as he did under Nuno. Could be wrong though.
 

DizzyBala

Jack Burkitt
I don't think he'd be as effective under VP. What makes Elanga so dangerous is his pace. Nuno set us up to sit back and then hit the opposition with a lightning fast counter attack. That is why Elanga was so devastating for us at times. We don't really play like that now though.

As Howe has found out, he's nowhere near as effective in a team already most of the way up the pitch. You can't outrun defenders if they are already back near their own box.

I'd love to see him back, but I don't think he'd fit as well as he did under Nuno. Could be wrong though.
Eh, I don't think we're a possession based team still and I think when we are, it's because teams know we can have the ball with them back and we won't break them down. It's not just about the counter, if you've got someone like Elanga, you're likely going to have to commit not just a full back but also a centre back or a central midfielder to double up, which leaves space for others. The threat of the pace and him getting in is as much of a problem as the actual pace. That and the boy could take a set piece.
 

Est.1865

Premier League Survivors
Given our recent difficulty in finding wingers, and the fact VP wants to keep the bulk of the squad together and in that ‘family’ space, I’m starting to think we might just go back for Elanga.

He’s got to be done in Newcastle. They are a shit show.

If we can make the numbers work, might just be a good move for all sides.
 
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