Anthony Elanga

BringBackJemo

BringBackJemo

First Team Squad
For me, yesterday really emphasised the lack of pace! It's weird because in reality there are very, very few players who have pace to burn over and above the standard PL 'very fast'. So Elanga would be a great tool to have. I'd like Harvey Barnes personally, plus the fooker will stop scoring against us then
 
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incident

Geoff Thomas
Statto said:
Colback along with Camp and Garner are a bit questionable as they were loan spells made permanent (although in Colback's case, he had signed on loan for half a season, then the full season, and then we had to wait a year before getting him permanently).
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With Camp, there was also a half season gap between the loan ending and the permanent signing. Definitely two separate spells.
 
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greatbowden_garibaldi

Viv Anderson
Howe's comments yesterday suggest quite strongly to me that Elanga is not in the plans for next season.

It's been a bit of a disaster for him, and if he cannot even get on the pitch against a team who are knackered then it looks pretty bad.

I would have him back, just gives us another option.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
incident said:
With Camp, there was also a half season gap between the loan ending and the permanent signing. Definitely two separate spells.
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Yes there was, but I think at the time we couldn't loan him back for the remaining half of the season, and for some reason we didn't buy him then, maybe Davies - so I think we ended up with Smith back in the team and Iain Turner for a bit. I think the club did want to make it permanent after the loan spell though, but couldn't do it straight away.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Ian Bowyer
greatbowden_garibaldi said:
Howe's comments yesterday suggest quite strongly to me that Elanga is not in the plans for next season.

It's been a bit of a disaster for him, and if he cannot even get on the pitch against a team who are knackered then it looks pretty bad.

I would have him back, just gives us another option.
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He probably enjoyed that 20 mins in our changing room yesterday than any period he's spent in the Newcastle one.

It wouldn't surprise me if there has been some little conversations happening with Aina as the go between.
 
FLC

FLC

Viv Anderson
You don’t allow yourself to be photographed in the opposition changing room if you think you have a future at your current club. He’s definitely off somewhere at the end of the season.
 
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StanleyVictorCollywobbles

First Team Squad
I have no doubt he’d want to return and that we would want him back. I just don’t see Newcastle agreeing to take the kind of financial hit to let him go back where he came from 12 months on. I’d assume they will loan him somewhere next year unless they are getting 45m plus back.
 
Cureboy

Cureboy

Grenville Morris
StanleyVictorCollywobbles said:
I have no doubt he’d want to return and that we would want him back. I just don’t see Newcastle agreeing to take the kind of financial hit to let him go back where he came from 12 months on. I’d assume they will loan him somewhere next year unless they are getting 45m plus back.
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Hopefully recoup most of the Dan Ndoye fee then it's just an extra £10-15million to bring Elanga home. Get it done Big Greek.
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
StanleyVictorCollywobbles said:
I have no doubt he’d want to return and that we would want him back. I just don’t see Newcastle agreeing to take the kind of financial hit to let him go back where he came from 12 months on. I’d assume they will loan him somewhere next year unless they are getting 45m plus back.
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Sometimes you've got to take the hit if there's a decent offer on the table. Just because you've overpaid doesn't mean others will.
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Cureboy said:
Hopefully recoup most of the Dan Ndoye fee then it's just an extra £10-15million to bring Elanga home. Get it done Big Greek.
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I don't think we're going to be able to screw over Newcastle again with a player+money deal after the Vlachodimos thing. They won't want Ndoye.

They'll probably insist we have to buy outright, and we may need to pay £35m to get it done as that would represent an FFP neutral position for Newcastle.

We may make them wait based on us getting rid of Ndoye to Italy again on FFP neutral terms - so needing to sell for like £25m. Tough ask..
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
StanleyVictorCollywobbles said:
I agree but after we already bent them over for Ando and how sore they are about that, could the owners really play off a 20m loss sending him back to us after 12 months?
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Well, depends if anyone else is interested I guess?

If they keep him on the books and there's no interest then they'll take a near £15m loss this year on him when you account for transfer amortisation and wages. And they will take that figure as a loss again next season almost certainly because there won't be any interested buyers if he's spent another 12 months on the sidelines.

If they sell him to us for say £35m this summer then they'll write off the remainder of the transfer fee which would leave them with a net loss position of £9m. They won't have to pay him any more wages. They're financially better off selling him therefore at figures above £30m.

Loan probably doesn't do much for them. They'd likely have to cover half the wages and any loan fee is likely to be significantly less than the annual amortisation, so they're looking at an FFP loss on a loan of about £9m or £10m, which is at best the same outcome than if they simply sold him for £30m. And unless there's an obligation to buy at the end of it there's every chance he returns to Newcastle because his loan was crap, then they've got those three years costing them £15m+ annually again.

They need to cut their losses. £30m should do it. Loan with obligation to buy for £25m might do it for Forest as well if we want to push the transfer out another 12 months for whatever reason.
 
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Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Est.1865 said:
Yeah offer 25m plus 5m in add ons and they may well sell up just to break even and move on.
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Break even?
They paid a reported £55 million last summer, with a 5-year contract.
So his book value will be £44 million come end of this season.
If they sell for £25 million plus £5 million add-ons, they make a £14 million loss.
 
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StanleyVictorCollywobbles

First Team Squad
MaxiRobriguez said:
Well, depends if anyone else is interested I guess?

If they keep him on the books and there's no interest then they'll take a near £15m loss this year on him when you account for transfer amortisation and wages. And they will take that figure as a loss again next season almost certainly because there won't be any interested buyers if he's spent another 12 months on the sidelines.

If they sell him to us for say £30m this summer then they'll write off the remainder of the transfer fee which would leave them with a net loss position of £6m. They won't have to pay him any more wages. They're financially better off selling him therefore at figures above £22m.

Loan probably doesn't do much for them. They'd likely have to cover half the wages and any loan fee is likely to be significantly less than the annual amortisation, so they're looking at an FFP loss on a loan of about £7m or £8m, which is a worse outcome than if they simply sold him for £30m. And unless there's an obligation to buy at the end of it there's every chance he returns to Newcastle because his loan was crap, then they've got those three years costing them £15m+ annually again.

They need to cut their losses. £30m should do it. Loan with obligation to buy for £25m might do it for Forest as well if we want to push the transfer out another 12 months for whatever reason.
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I agree with your logic. 100%

I just don’t think the optics on their end let them sell him back to us at any significant loss
 
Est.1865

Est.1865

Premier League Survivors
Captain Sinister said:
Break even?
They paid a reported £55 million last summer, with a 5-year contract.
So his book value will be £44 million come end of this season.
If they sell for £25 million plus £5 million add-ons, they make a £14 million loss.
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Well they are already budgeting for an £11m hit in 26/27, plus wages, plus 3 more years of wages.
 
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StanleyVictorCollywobbles

First Team Squad
MaxiRobriguez said:
It's the same thing as if we sold Ndoye for £20m this summer.

Nodoby would bat an eyelid we had to realise a small loss as long as we reclaimed a decent amount on the fee.
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It’s not, though.

It would only be the same if we sold Ndoye back to Bologna, who happened to be in the same league as us, and who had bought our homegrown star for a bargain price before turning them into an England starter whilst also dumping an imaginary goalkeeper on us in that same deal.
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
StanleyVictorCollywobbles said:
It’s not, though.

It would only be the same if we sold Ndoye back to Bologna, who happened to be in the same league as us, and who had bought our homegrown star for a bargain price before turning them into an England starter whilst also dumping an imaginary goalkeeper on us in that same deal.
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I guess just based on what I do I'm hyper focused on ignoring preceding events and just focusing on the future.

When I look at the Elanga thing, I just see a player who's not going to feature for them again any time soon, that is costing them £15m a year and could be potentially be sold in summer to avoid that iterative loss without incurring (much of) an FFP hit this year.

Everything else is noise. If I'm a Newcastle director or fan I'd be making/wanting that trade every time regardless of what happened before it.
 
Skoosh

Skoosh

First Team Squad
It'll be the start of getting the band back together......... Elanga to Wood....Wood to Elanga..... goal...................!!!!!!

Nottingham Forest win the FA Cup beating Man City 4-3 in normal time...........!!!!
 
Notcher

Notcher

Ian Bowyer
StanleyVictorCollywobbles said:
It’s not, though.

It would only be the same if we sold Ndoye back to Bologna, who happened to be in the same league as us, and who had bought our homegrown star for a bargain price before turning them into an England starter whilst also dumping an imaginary goalkeeper on us in that same deal.
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Newcastle fans would be falling over themselves to drive Elanga back to Nottingham. They honestly wouldn't give a shit, they all think he's crap and want him gone.
 
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