A week in politics

Tiff

Matchday Squad
I do t think so , he’ll be gone by autumn. Amongst the corruption and incompetence ,UKIP are learning their version of Brexit is only favoured by a small majority of their base
Two Tory ‘safe’ seats , both going to Lib Dems. The monster will still come back to eat them. The 20% or so who always voted out will always be there , the 17 % of floaters Boris persuaded not so.



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GOBIAS

Steve Chettle
I’ve said for a while now that although he is as popular as ever with the new wave of red wall ‘got brexit done’ Tories he isn’t liked by most of your decent, moderate traditional Tory voter. They actually despise him. I know a few of these people who are family friends. I guess a lot will still vote Tory in many areas but I certainly think in the south (Tiverton being a great example) the libs will start to take votes and either take seats or tip seats.

I don’t think it’ll be long for boris now.

I see dowden has gone
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
The problem the Tories have is that the overwhelming majority of people in Britain are decent, hard-working, kind folk - regardless of which way they vote.

The Brexit stuff was a one off and now they are left with a man in charge who cheated on his wife whilst she having cancer treatment, has a reputation for lying and giving money to his then bit-on-the-side-now-wife-soon-to-be-ex-wife.

Politics aside, Boris is just a completely unlikable man for most people. The Tories are now reliant on a decreasingly small militant right-wing vote and the will-vote-blue-whatever older generation.

The problem for the other parties is that the Tory vote is well distributed across the country which will benefit them in an election compared to concentrated Labour/LD areas (cities/young people and the south-west/London respectively). Whilst Tories are very much unliked at the moment there still needs to be a level of co-operation between Labour and LD's to oust them,. There was co-operation last night, you can see it in the Labour vote share in Tiverton and the LD vote share in Wakefield, and look at the results. Absolutely spectacular win for the LD's in Tiverton.
 

Barbus

Steve Chettle
It's remarkable now many people around him have resigned as a consequence of things he's done or not done, or his failures, or his transgressions, yet he never he himself.

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DanR

Stuart Pearce
It's remarkable now many people around him have resigned as a consequence of things he's done or not done, or his failures, or his transgressions, yet he never he himself.

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There was a similar spoilt brat in the USA who had to be pretty much dragged out of office kicking and screaming, Johnson doesn't care about the damage on the way, he just wants to be Head Boy of Eton College.
 

Project Zeus

Stuart Pearce
Oof, the Conservatives are reaping what they've sown after standing by their criminal PM after locking us up for nearly two years.

What's most concerning for them is that these are two very different groups of voters that they've failed to keep onside.

Tiverton is as Tory as it gets, and there was a 30% swing to the Lib Dems. That's massive, and the Conservatives are fucked at the next general election if they can't regain control of the narrative.

I don't think they can do that with Johnson. He's too tainted now.

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HBB

Geoff Thomas
For what its worth my take is that interestingly the Tory vote in the by-elections was relatively stable - the massive swings that defeated the Tory incumbents were the result of tactical voting between primarily the Libs Dems and Labour. This will reassure the Tories that their core vote is secure and that in a general election the tactical voting will be much less impactful.

Boris won't walk and so effectively the Tories are going to have to gamble that Boris can, in roughly 2 years, improve things economically. Elections have generally always been about the "pound in your pocket" and they're hoping that remains true, though they forget the 1997 election when the Labour landslide was partly pro Blair but was also very anti Sleaze something that seemed rife in the then Major gov't as the people turned on a Tory party that seemed bankrupt of ideas and awash with corruption and hubris.

Boris so far has always regarded as a lucky politician, he has had an appeal that made him personally an electoral asset. This is markedly on the wane but while the MPs do have some grasp of the loathing that many people have for his lying, deceit and arrogance they think it'll ease over time. They also don't take Labour seriously as a rival. While the toxic Corbyn has gone Starmer hasn't made a real impact as a leader and they're happy for Boris to go up against him. Also crucially Boris has done a great job in surrounding himself with people who owe him political lives (Patel, Truss, Raab et al) and making sure there are no potential challengers high enough in the party to be seen as possible replacements with an election if not looming then at least high in the party's thinking.

So all in all Boris is gong nowhere at present, he's wounded and vulnerable but without another scandal soon I've no doubt he'll survive till the next election when hopefully his fate is on our hands.
 
For what its worth my take is that interestingly the Tory vote in the by-elections was relatively stable - the massive swings that defeated the Tory incumbents were the result of tactical voting between primarily the Libs Dems and Labour. This will reassure the Tories that their core vote is secure and that in a general election the tactical voting will be much less impactful.

Boris won't walk and so effectively the Tories are going to have to gamble that Boris can, in roughly 2 years, improve things economically. Elections have generally always been about the "pound in your pocket" and they're hoping that remains true, though they forget the 1997 election when the Labour landslide was partly pro Blair but was also very anti Sleaze something that seemed rife in the then Major gov't as the people turned on a Tory party that seemed bankrupt of ideas and awash with corruption and hubris.

Boris so far has always regarded as a lucky politician, he has had an appeal that made him personally an electoral asset. This is markedly on the wane but while the MPs do have some grasp of the loathing that many people have for his lying, deceit and arrogance they think it'll ease over time. They also don't take Labour seriously as a rival. While the toxic Corbyn has gone Starmer hasn't made a real impact as a leader and they're happy for Boris to go up against him. Also crucially Boris has done a great job in surrounding himself with people who owe him political lives (Patel, Truss, Raab et al) and making sure there are no potential challengers high enough in the party to be seen as possible replacements with an election if not looming then at least high in the party's thinking.

So all in all Boris is gong nowhere at present, he's wounded and vulnerable but without another scandal soon I've no doubt he'll survive till the next election when hopefully his fate is on our hands.
A slight flaw in your argument there.

I wonder what the next scandal will be ?
 

HBB

Geoff Thomas
A slight flaw in your argument there.

I wonder what the next scandal will be ?
It's a not a flaw exactly but I take the point, I honestly dread to think what a next scandal could be. If you look at just some of the things he's survived thus far, allegations of affairs, mishandling of COVID issues, Dominic Cumming (both keeping him then sacking him), the downing st refurbishment controversy, The Owen Patterson scandal, Partygate, his role in Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's extended confinement etc not to mention the constant lying and deceit... it beggars understanding of what the man has to do to be held responsible for his actions...

 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
It's not as simple as that government rules on rent increases are as follows (direct quote)

  • the rent increase must be fair and realistic, which means in line with average local rents
In addition to that landlords have to give a minimum of one months notice of a rent increase.

There are some nasty landlords but not as many as the media would have you believe and alwys remember knowledge is power.
Thanks, Bamma.
11% is the 2average" rent increase on rented flats in Leicester according to a tenants' web site we found.
 

Project Zeus

Stuart Pearce
WTF has his floozy Mrs been flown out to Rwanda with him?
She doesn't ooze charm, charisma or intelligence - she looks a right frump and spoiled cow.
It's all about the optics - presenting himself as a family man makes him more palatable to voters (even though he has a long history of divorces, affairs, unacknowledged bastard children, cheating on his wife with cancer etc).

Expect them to buy another dog for some photo ops soon for the same reason.

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Dr Sheldon Cooper

Geoff Thomas
Meanwhile the haunted pencil that is Jacob Rees Mogg has come up with the Brexit benefit of us now being able to buy sparkling wine in plastic bottles. You cannot make this shit up.

The industry says no you can't due to the pressure involved in bottle fermentation. Mr & Mrs Mogg should try and get a refund from Eton as their son is as thick as a brick.
 

Project Zeus

Stuart Pearce
Christ, the gutter press are struggling to smear the unions, aren't they? Desperate, embarrassing stuff from Piers Morgan:


Absolute gimp on Sky trying to imply with the strikes are going to get violent without actually saying it as well. He's having none of it:


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HBB

Geoff Thomas
The one thing that continues to amuse me is that, for a guy who's so keen on history, he doesn't seem to have taken into account what will be written about him by the historians of the future. It will not be good.
The thing about Johnson though he is the classic "big-picture" guy. He doesn't sweat the small stuff... a cheat here, a fib there he thinks he can (and largely he has managed to) bluster his way through it and if not he has the default apology and "I've learnt the lesson" speech ready to hand to mollify just enough people to get through it. His approach is it doesn't matter IF YOU WIN and ultimately that's what he believes he is, a winner and that's what the history books will say. His political instincts (or is that Cummings instincts mainly) are good... he read the room well over Brexit knowing that he had to deliver that by hook or by crook, he even managed to appear Churchillian over COVID. Because its worked on the people it works for the party, I'm sure there's many who loathe him but he has delivered a record majority and like the Republicans with Trump they're prepared to sup with the Devil if they think he can deliver them a win...
 

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
The thing about Johnson though he is the classic "big-picture" guy. He doesn't sweat the small stuff... a cheat here, a fib there he thinks he can (and largely he has managed to) bluster his way through it and if not he has the default apology and "I've learnt the lesson" speech ready to hand to mollify just enough people to get through it. His approach is it doesn't matter IF YOU WIN and ultimately that's what he believes he is, a winner and that's what the history books will say. His political instincts (or is that Cummings instincts mainly) are good... he read the room well over Brexit knowing that he had to deliver that by hook or by crook, he even managed to appear Churchillian over COVID. Because its worked on the people it works for the party, I'm sure there's many who loathe him but he has delivered a record majority and like the Republicans with Trump they're prepared to sup with the Devil if they think he can deliver them a win...
Is reading the room the same as lying to people?
Anyway I've heard this op can be quite painful. Hopefully.

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Tiff

Matchday Squad
Meanwhile the haunted pencil that is Jacob Rees Mogg has come up with the Brexit benefit of us now being able to buy sparkling wine in plastic bottles. You cannot make this shit up.

The industry says no you can't due to the pressure involved in bottle fermentation. Mr & Mrs Mogg should try and get a refund from Eton as their son is as thick as a brick.

Let’s not forget sign posts in the dartford tunnel

What a complete and utter waste of time and space.


Thank god we didn’t have the chaos of Ed Milliband.


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