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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

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Kjetil Osvold's Cat

Kingsley Black
For me we're in need of 4 more as a minimum and this is based on Mangala having signed.

LWB as we don't know how long Richards will be out for and I'm not sure Toffolo is up to the level of week in week out top flight football. (Moreno)

CM as we need a nasty bugger in there who will break up play and keep it simple. (Carvalho or Camara)

Attacking midfielder (either wide or central) to have a threat in the opposition box, preferably one that can deliver a dead ball. (MGW or Cornet)

Striker so someone who will give defences a headache. Ideally one with a killer instinct but these costs tens of millions. Would be happy for Davis to sign or Dennis.

Basically we need a squad when it's not going well we have some options to bring. I'm sure that every other team we play this season will have 20 senior players in their match day squads and can call upon 5 good subs that impact games. As things stand we're relying on Taylor, Cafu, Laryea etc and kids off the bench, players not even good enough last season.

So if we add the 4 positions I mentioned we're looking at for a regular match day squad if everyone is available:

Henderson
Hennessey

Worrall
Cook
Mckenna
Niakhate
Biancone
Williams
Richards
Toffolo
NEW LB

Yates
O'Brien
Mangala
Lingard
NEW DCM
NEW AM

Johnson
Surridge
Awoniyi
NEW ST

Actually makes 21 that so with a new LB you might expect Toffolo to drop out. Then there's Colback, Cafu and the more fringe players beyond that. Obviously it's still fairly small as one or two injuries and you're into putting bomb squadders on the bench.
Just repeating what I said on the Forest-Valencia thread to be fair, but I'd say:
- Agree a wing-back (probably left given Richards being injured, even though Williams can play both sides) would be useful but I'd prefer a loan from aboard or something rather than spending much on him at the moment.
- Much prefer another 'football player' rather than a 'nasty bugger' in midfield - breaking up play doesn't have to be dirty and hopefully O'Brien and Mangala can be good enough at that as well as using the ball well, even alongside each other, although Yates won't be out long and if we do get a playmaker type then we'd be well stocked for midfielders I think. Ramsey on a free would be ok, Garner obviously a good option, maybe Wijnaldum or Winks worth considering I'd say - one of those for example.
- MGW would still be good if feasible. I'd see Cornet more as a forward than an AM. I'd really like McAtee on loan - seems a quality young player, knows where the net is too, and could bring a lot to the table this season I think in terms of enthusiasm, imagination, incisiveness. I'd like both him and MGW if possible of course.
- Think Dennis might be the best option now for attack, given being able to play predominantly as /supporting player creator as well as striker/scorer, wide as well as central. Another striker on loan (not from the Premier League if we did take McAtee on loan) would be useful though, for cover at the very least.
 

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Seeing as though it doesn't look like we'll get either Cornet or MGW, I'd be happy for us to take a punt on Bowler.

I think we need another midfielder in addition to Mangala's imminent arrival.

Another forward option is also needed. I'm hoping we can get a deal for Dennis done.

Anything else beyond that is a bonus for me.
 

RedDogChris

RedDogChris
I still think we can do a deal for Keinan Davis, Gerrard has no plans for him in the first team squad so they will have to do some business regarding him and hopefully they will be ready to be more realistic with their price by the end of the window.

Bowler and maybe a wildcard signing elsewhere (Ramsey?) then we will be very close to Coops' vision of fierce competition for every position
 

dr_horse

Geoff Thomas
I'm afraid some of you are getting a bit greedy. My take so far:

1. There was much restructuring work to be done, considering the state of your roster after the loanees' departure. You had a massive disadvantage compared even to other promoted teams, let alone established Premier clubs.

2. Money has been spent; I read somewhere you're in the top five ever for expenditure of clubs promoted to the Premier. And so far it appears to have been spent wisely.

3. You seem to have a competitive team in place. Too many new players will need time to gel. This is more important than more transfers at the moment.

4. There is room in your squad of 25 for three or four more transfers, if I calculated correctly. It is not realistic to expect any British club to have concluded its transfer business by July 31. There will be a flurry of transfers in the last days of the window, as in every transfer window, and there will be opportunities to fill in any gaps in late August.

I see no reason for unease at the moment. All you have to do now is trust the process.

Agree with that. I think any Forest fan that is unsatisfied by our window needs a reality check.

At the same time, it's still a bare bones squad in terms of depth (and that is with complete faith the new signings are all good enough) so you can understand the clamour for more signings, especially folks like Denis or Cornet, who will definitely be moving and did well in poor sides last season.

I'm sure the club has a similar view and are still working on multiple fronts to bring further players in, but only if the price is right. Decisions may also be shaped by the first few games. If we don't hear anything for a few weeks it's not a bad sign, simply the dynamics of the window.

I do expect we'll sign at least one more, especially as we still have that loan slot available, but if we don't then it's still been an incredible achievement to build this squad.

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Ashley

Steve Chettle
Can somebody fill me in with ins and outs now please?
Would appreciate it as I don't know what day it is.
Ins:

Goalkeepers:
Dean Henderson (Manchester United, loan), Wayne Henessey (Burnley, free)

Centre backs: Moussa Niakhate (Mainz, £8.4m + add ons), Giulian Biancone (Troyes, £5m)

Wing backs: Neco Williams (Liverpool, £12m + add ons), Omar Richards (Bayern Munich, £8.5m), Harry Toffolo (Huddersfield Town, part of a £10m double deal with Lewis O'Brien)

Centre midfielders: Lewis O'Brien (Huddersfield Town, part of a £10m double deal with Harry Toffolo), Orel Mangala (Stuttgart, £12.7m)

Attacking midfielders: Brandon Aguilera Zamora (Alajuelense, £800k), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United, free)

Forwards: Taiwo Awoniyi (Union Berlin, £17.5m)


Outs:

Released/out of contract:
Gaetan Bong, Carl Jenkinson, Tobias Figueiredo, Lewis Grabban

Sold: Brice Samba (Lens, £5m), Jayden Richardson (Aberdeen, undisclosed), Nicolas Ioannou (Como, undisclosed), Xande Silva (Dijon, £1m - awaiting confirmation)

Loaned out: Brandon Aguilera Zamora (Alajuelense), Jonathan Panzo (Coventry), Ethan Horvath (Luton), Mohamed Drager (Luzern), Fin Back (Carlisle), Tyrese Fornah (Reading), Riley Harbottle (Mansfield), Will Swan (Mansfield)

Bomb squad: Harry Arter, Nuno Da Costa, Joe Lolley
 
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vertigored

First Team Squad
Ins:

Goalkeepers:
Dean Henderson (Manchester United, loan), Wayne Henessey (Burnley, free)

Centre backs: Moussa Niakhate (Mainz, £8.4m + add ons), Giulian Biancone (Troyes, £5m)

Wing backs: Neco Williams (Liverpool, £12m + add ons), Omar Richards (Bayern Munich, £8.5m), Harry Toffolo (Huddersfield Town, part of a £10m double deal with Lewis O'Brien)

Centre midfielders: Lewis O'Brien (Huddersfield Town, part of a £10m double deal with Harry Toffolo), Orel Mangala (Stuttgart, £12.7m)

Attacking midfielders: Brandon Aguilera Zamora (Alajuelense, £800k), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United, free)

Forwards: Taiwo Awoniyi (Union Berlin, £17.5m)


Outs:

Released/out of contract:
Gaetan Bong, Carl Jenkinson, Tobias Figueiredo, Lewis Grabban

Sold: Brice Samba (Lens, £5m), Jayden Richardson (Aberdeen, undisclosed), Nicolas Ioannou (Como, undisclosed), Xande Silva (Dijon, £1m - awaiting confirmation)

Loaned out: Brandon Aguilera Zamora (Alajuelense), Jonathan Panzo (Coventry), Ethan Horvath (Luton), Mohamed Drager (Luzern), Fin Back (Carlisle), Tyrese Fornah (Reading), Riley Harbottle (Mansfield), Will Swan (Mansfield)

Bomb squad: Harry Arter, Nuno Da Costa, Joe Lolley
Compare this to how the first couple of posts in this thread started out.. not even 6 months later. bonkers aint it.
 

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Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
I'm hoping to see at least one coming in before Saturday. Even if they don't start the game we need the cover.
 

Mr RayReardon

Jack Burkitt
I'm afraid some of you are getting a bit greedy. My take so far:

1. There was much restructuring work to be done, considering the state of your roster after the loanees' departure. You had a massive disadvantage compared even to other promoted teams, let alone established Premier clubs.

2. Money has been spent; I read somewhere you're in the top five ever for expenditure of clubs promoted to the Premier. And so far it appears to have been spent wisely.

3. You seem to have a competitive team in place. Too many new players will need time to gel. This is more important than more transfers at the moment.

4. There is room in your squad of 25 for three or four more transfers, if I calculated correctly. It is not realistic to expect any British club to have concluded its transfer business by July 31. There will be a flurry of transfers in the last days of the window, as in every transfer window, and there will be opportunities to fill in any gaps in late August.

I see no reason for unease at the moment. All you have to do now is trust the process.
Completely agree. Although we're possibly one or two short, in terms of squad, our starting 11 looks pretty good and importantly (Lingard aside) ready to bounce back if the worst happens.

Talk of Toffolo not being good enough is both daft and premature. If Cooper didn't think he was good enough why on Earth did he sign him? As a squad player that we have no intention of using?

I still think Forest will add two more players, an attacking midfielder and another centre forward. However, if we don't I don't think anyone can really argue we haven't gone about our business with a sensible and prudent approach.

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Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Cover for what??

Saturday will probably be

Henderson

Williams
Worrall
Niakhate
McKenna
Toffolo

Colback/Mangala
O'Brien

Lingard
Johnson
Awoniyi

That's a good starting 11 and there is cover for all positions

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5 subs can come on...

The cover is sub-standard though. Who you bringing on if we need a goal? Who you bringing on if we're winning and need more solidity? Who you bringing on if Lingard, Johnson, Toffolo etc get injured?

Our cover is barely Championship standard in places and not one of the players at the moment on the bench would worry anyone.
 
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eyupmeduck

Geoff Thomas
The cover is sub-standard though. Who you bringing on if we need a goal? Who you bringing on if we're winning and need more solidity? Who you bringing on if Lingard, Johnson, Toffolo etc get injured?

Our cover is barely Championship standard in places and not one of the players at the moment on the bench would worry anyone.
In some ways I agree but I would also say that there seems a heck of a lot of inflation of opponents squad ability as well, most teams that aren't chasing the title/champions league have weaknesses outside of their starting 11 (And inside as well in a lot of cases). We are no different in that regard.

I think like GBG says we've spent a load and have a good starting 11 with some options off the bench and room to sign players as well later in the window but where we are at present is a good place.

These could be famous last words but if you'd have told me last season that we would have done well with a centre mid not renowned for their mobility playing left back, a youngster that had done well but only really in League one so unproven at championship level and Middlesbroughs reserve reserve RB i would have had a few doubts!

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congo_red_49

Ale Ape
I think we're still a really unproven commodity. A lot of people are writing a number of our players from last season off as not good enough for the Prem, even if they've at least earned a crack at it - and those same people are generally hyping up all our new signings even though, with the exception of Lingard and Henderson, they're equally as unproven at this level.
 

Red Ray's Redlist

Viv Anderson
In some ways I agree but I would also say that there seems a heck of a lot of inflation of opponents squad ability as well, most teams that aren't chasing the title/champions league have weaknesses outside of their starting 11 (And inside as well in a lot of cases). We are no different in that regard.
Absolutely this. We're not competing against the top 6 teams its the bottom 6 we have to worry about. And I don’t see a lot if difference there. At the moment we don't know how so many new players will bed in, but we're at least on a par with a third of the Prem and we've got Steve Cooper not Fat Frank, Parker, or salty Silva. I'd rather be in our shoes right now.
 

Berkshire Red

Jack Armstrong
not one of the players at the moment on the bench would worry anyone.
I'm sure that Liverpool weren't worried about Garry Birtles either. And they definitely weren't concerned about the goal threat that was Colin Barrett.

Who cares? If they don't know about Surridge's striking ability and give him a little extra room? Or allow Mighten just too much space to get the cross in for Brennan or Taiwo? We will go under the radar of many. They'll focus on Lingard, this will be good for us.

That's not to say that we shouldn't look to strengthen. We should always be looking to do that.
 

Mr RayReardon

Jack Burkitt
5 subs can come on...

The cover is sub-standard though. Who you bringing on if we need a goal? Who you bringing on if we're winning and need more solidity? Who you bringing on if Lingard, Johnson, Toffolo etc get injured?

Our cover is barely Championship standard in places and not one of the players at the moment on the bench would worry anyone.
In a completely objective manner, without any consideration of context, I agree with you. However, we've just re-built a new team. Adding another half team before Saturday is unlikely.

So, to answer a few. If Toffolo gets injured, then Williams will move to LWB and Biancone will come on at RWB. If we need a goal (we are a little short here) then Mighten/Cafu/Surridge will have to do... For now...I can still see the club moving to bring in reinforcements here but perhaps not in time for Newcastle.

I would also agree with you that Cafu, Mighten and Surridge are down grades on Lingard, Awoniyi and Brennan but we are a newly promoted side... Swapping quality with quality is hard.

It's also worth considering overplaying a slight drop in quality. For example, the role of Toffolo. Based purely on guess work, Toffolo in the Prem might average a 6/10 whereas Richards a 7/10. They're 1 player out of 11. At best it might only reduce the total team's score by 1-2% and that's without other players stepping up to raise their game.

There will be times our squad will be stretched, that's to be expected, but one player doesn't make a team, the likes of Surridge might just surprise a few people and, importantly, before the window is shut I fully expect the club to bring in two/three more attacking options. I just very much doubt they'll be ready before Saturday.

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SouthManchesterTree

First Team Squad
Beyond the team named above, I think Hennessy, Mbe Soh, Cook, Richards, Yates, Mighten, Surridge are all excellent back-up and I’d be comfortable with most as starters. A bit more pace in the squad would be very welcome, which is what they seem to be looking for with Bowler, MGW etc. but it looks to me that we’ve already got a decent squad of around 20.
 

Mr RayReardon

Jack Burkitt
I'm sure that Liverpool weren't worried about Garry Birtles either. And they definitely weren't concerned about the goal threat that was Colin Barrett.

Who cares? If they don't know about Surridge's striking ability and give him a little extra room? Or allow Mighten just too much space to get the cross in for Brennan or Taiwo? We will go under the radar of many. They'll focus on Lingard, this will be good for us.

That's not to say that we shouldn't look to strengthen. We should always be looking to do that.
Agreed... I'm not a fan of young Alex, to be completely honest. But he's got blistering pace... Who's to say, with 20 minutes to go Mighten can't race clear of tired legs and cross for Surridge to score. It's completely daft to write players off without a chance.

It's also worth noting that there is very little between a lot of players. Ok, so the difference between Salah and Surridge is clear.. But the difference between Pukki and Surridge? Not so clear. The difference between Glenn Murray and Surridge? Again, not so clear. I had the mispleasure of watching a lot of Moan Utd last season. If Mighten, coming off the bench, can't match Rashford's contribution in most games then I'll eat my hat - and this is a lad who would demand £30-40m fee and play for England.

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