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Ale Ape
So, when we see injustice, we should never call it out?
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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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vertigored
First Team Squad
Financially our peers are Luton, ipswich and other clubs who have not been in the prem for 20+ years. Bournemouth and Fulham have both had massive injections of cash over the last 10 years and we haven’t been close to them.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
Yep, the board must be pissing themselves that the fans are moaning about refs rather than the fact we shot ourselves in the foot with a reckless and unnecessary four point deduction.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
We are 13th in overall squad cost.
Premier League - Purchase value
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vertigored
First Team Squad
In the last 2 seasons.. because we have tried to catch up to squads that have had years of cash flowing through them. we have tried to catch up and compete and we have breached ffp.We are 13th in overall squad cost.
Premier League - Purchase value
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we had a pretty unique promotion in doing it without more than a handful of players that we owned that were good enough to make the step up. We would have broken derbys record had we not spent what we spent probably
Col Steve Austin
Viv Anderson
It wasn't reckless or unnecessary though?
As I understand it, the Premier League only told us at the start of June that losses we'd told them about the previous July wouldn't be deductible. That left us with three weeks when everyone is on their post-season holidays to make up the shortfall. We were offered £30-somethingM from Atletico for Brennan but that was conditional on them selling first. Instead we waited two months and sold him for £15m(ish) more profit, which is surely more in line with profit and sustainability.
It's not as though we did an Everton and racked up silly losses and tried to hide them.
Joe Baker's Dog
Grenville Morris
This is true..........Covid losses & Promotion Bonuses..........which as you say were agreed & then disallowed at the last minute. By any standard this isn't right.
alabamared
Stuart Pearce
Well at least you have something to play with when the dark nights start to draw in.
Magamar
First Team Squad
Are the new limits not referring to the 2024/25 season? That is the last season of the PSR rules as they currently stand. My inderstanding was that the new 'wgae cap' rules (or whatever they are called) are implemented from the 2025/26 season.
Could be wrong though
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
If this is all in writing, it'll be the basis for EM's legal battle if we go down. Moving the goalposts cannot be allowed.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
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EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I disagree, last year when we were building I would have a lot fo symptahy for your argument but we caught up this season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1 . Its a crude table but shows Forests squad value is close to Bournemouth, Fulham, Everton and Wolves. Anecdotally as well I know I would much rather have our squad than Luton, Sheff U or Burnley. Also i wouldnt swap a lot of players with Fulham and Bournemouth. So I dont agree, I think we are massivley underachieving for our spend.
vertigored
First Team Squad
my Argument was more that they have had years with more cash and been able to more organically improve their squad to that value, with that generating a style, feeling of team etc. what we have is forced and not going to perform at the same levels even though the “value“ is similar.
this could be the reason that Luton have performed so well this season even without spending big, they are a group that’s been together a while and performed as a team.
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Did you have to get a trans-Atlantic flight?
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
If we've 'caught up' surely that's linked to the breaching of FFP, which is the reason we aren't in line with those clubs who have been in the Prem for chunks of the 20+ years previously.
(Edit: and f***, I find myself sucked back on to the abyss that is this thread. Escape!)
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Diversity is everywhere. I'm all for it, some of our Indian stewardesses were just gorgeous.Talking of which, the Dallas Cowgirls have just opened for this years auditions.
Lefkasman
Ian Bowyer
Me too. Generally I find a lot of the English to be an ugly bunch of bastards.
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valspoodle
Steve Chettle
I have to exempt my beautiful Val from this discussion. I wish I could post pictures on here, she was way above my pay grade
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
It's funny you should say that as I've got an image of what you and Val look like. It's the same for a lot of long time posters on here, I've got an image I've created for each one.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
That's him although my image has him with a shovel instead of a gun and a pair of wellies with his suit.
Lawyers expecting at most a point back yet Everton only get charged 2 points for their second offence?? It’s bullshit if that is true.
YellowBelly Red
Viv Anderson
what grinds my gears, is that we are in a multi-billion pound industry, and the people running it, and facilitating its running, seem to have little idea and seem to be making it up on the fly.
Col Steve Austin
Viv Anderson
It's like that across the board, there are very few businesses/governments/organisations where it seems the people in charge actually know what they're doing.
My wife's grandmother said to her when she was little "when you're older there will be a day when you realise that the majority of the world is making it up as they go along".
apondaway
Viv Anderson
Bingo!